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I believe there should be a section dedicated to how USL is set up
metalmurf 11:26, 07 July 2007 (MDT)
Hi, I'm not sure, but the best team won't play the home leg 1st. I know the Impact will play their home game on sunday ie the second game. So it is not necessarly true. The thing that is true is that the best team has the oppotunity to play the game they want at home. Soopafred 22:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The team with the superior record chooses which leg they play at home. BobbyAFC 02:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
BobbyAFC is right, it's not automatic, the better team gets to choose. Henryong
please someone edit this file to make the width of the artcile fit within the browser. thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chivista~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed this line from the intro of this article:
Based on past results in friendly matches vs. Football League clubs, the USL-1 is around the same level as League One in England.
This is pure speculation, not to mention the fact that most English clubs do not field their full team in friendlies and usually play them in the off-season when they are not at their fittest. Largo1965 17:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
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I will be changing the first sentence of this article, stating that the USL is second tier is a false assertion, as there is no such system in North America. Instead based on this reference [1] The article will (somewhat) state that the USL and MSL leagues are independent of one another, and that the two leagues are recognized at the same level of professionalism and very much competitor's for talent. Redskins26 ( talk) 23:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
May I just add in my two cents here? I think the idea of the American Soccer Pyramid is ridiculous, as to me it implies a system of promotion and relegation, or at the very least a group of interconnected leagues that have a lot of cohesion, which I don't think applies to the American soccer leagues at present. That being said, MLS is quite obviously the top league of American soccer, but it doesn't, in my opinion, invalidate the point made that USL is not a second tier in the same sense that the Football League Championship is. Following on my point about the so-called American Soccer Pyramid, separating these leagues or divisions into tiers is silly since they don't apply to American professional soccer. However, it doesn't change the fact that the USL is simply not on the same level, in any category, be it talent, popularity, etc. as MLS. So I think we need to acknowledge that the USL is not as prominent as MLS, but not necessarily a "second tier" league. The rules and traditions that apply to other national systems, particularly in Europe, simply do not apply to the United States and Canada, and we shouldn't try to shoehorn them into such rules. So I propose that we stop referring to various American leagues as being part of a tier, while still acknowledging the clear separation between them. -- iTocapa iChat 01:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
There are two reasons that MLS teams often seem inferior to USL teams. MLS teams are restricted to a senior roster of only 18 players while ULS-1 teams have a senior roster of 26 (I believe). And secondly USL teams have a salary cap, that isn't growing very fast (I must confess though, I don't know what the top USL teams payroll is).
A well-rested MLS team is probably better than a well-rested USL teams, but when these teams meet under pressure, the deeper benches on the USL squads seems to make a lot of difference. The USL teams have been winning in recent weeks in the Champions League despite playing 3 games a week, while the MLS teams have only been playing 2 games a week.
However, the bottom line however, is that we have a policy - Wikipedia:No original research. It doesn't matter what we think. If USL-1 is truly becoming the equal of MLS, then there should be references to this out there, and this is what should be in articles. If a soccer pyramid does exist in Canada and the USA, then it should be referenced somewhere. Nfitz ( talk) 04:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, it's looking worse and worse. rumors have it that the Cleveland City Stars have folded, and there is some talk that F.C New York isn't going to form up, either. That leaves only the veterans in Puerto Rico and Portland, and the newcomers in Austin. All three teams are strong teams, with good financials; but is three teams enough for a league? Will the USL just fold USL-2 in with USL-1, and be left with three massively dominant teams overpowering the rest? (Then again, Austin wasn't really 'dominating' in play, only in fan base.) The articles I link to are only rumors, so I'm not putting these on the main page yet, just a talk. Ehurtley ( talk) 22:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
A-League (1995–2004) should be merged into USL First Division. These are the same league with the only difference being a simple name change. The 1995 and 1996 stats are from the previous A-League and are already included at American Professional Soccer League which was known as the A-League from 1995-1996 Cmjc80 ( talk) 02:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion this article needs a major tidy up on two fronts. Firstly in light of the defections to the new NASL which is ongoing and difficult to keep up with. Secondly I thing the article should concentrate on the seasons when it was known as the USL First Division and not be cluttered with excessive info on the various predecessor names/leagues, all of which have their own articles anyway. Mention them by all means but don’t get bogged down. It is a bit ridiculous to try and merge all this info into one article, as one editor is trying to do, especially when US soccer leagues have a history of name changes, mergers and collapses, etc. Any thoughts here Djln -- Djln ( talk) 00:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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I believe there should be a section dedicated to how USL is set up
metalmurf 11:26, 07 July 2007 (MDT)
Hi, I'm not sure, but the best team won't play the home leg 1st. I know the Impact will play their home game on sunday ie the second game. So it is not necessarly true. The thing that is true is that the best team has the oppotunity to play the game they want at home. Soopafred 22:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
The team with the superior record chooses which leg they play at home. BobbyAFC 02:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
BobbyAFC is right, it's not automatic, the better team gets to choose. Henryong
please someone edit this file to make the width of the artcile fit within the browser. thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chivista~enwiki ( talk • contribs) 13:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed this line from the intro of this article:
Based on past results in friendly matches vs. Football League clubs, the USL-1 is around the same level as League One in England.
This is pure speculation, not to mention the fact that most English clubs do not field their full team in friendlies and usually play them in the off-season when they are not at their fittest. Largo1965 17:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
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I will be changing the first sentence of this article, stating that the USL is second tier is a false assertion, as there is no such system in North America. Instead based on this reference [1] The article will (somewhat) state that the USL and MSL leagues are independent of one another, and that the two leagues are recognized at the same level of professionalism and very much competitor's for talent. Redskins26 ( talk) 23:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
May I just add in my two cents here? I think the idea of the American Soccer Pyramid is ridiculous, as to me it implies a system of promotion and relegation, or at the very least a group of interconnected leagues that have a lot of cohesion, which I don't think applies to the American soccer leagues at present. That being said, MLS is quite obviously the top league of American soccer, but it doesn't, in my opinion, invalidate the point made that USL is not a second tier in the same sense that the Football League Championship is. Following on my point about the so-called American Soccer Pyramid, separating these leagues or divisions into tiers is silly since they don't apply to American professional soccer. However, it doesn't change the fact that the USL is simply not on the same level, in any category, be it talent, popularity, etc. as MLS. So I think we need to acknowledge that the USL is not as prominent as MLS, but not necessarily a "second tier" league. The rules and traditions that apply to other national systems, particularly in Europe, simply do not apply to the United States and Canada, and we shouldn't try to shoehorn them into such rules. So I propose that we stop referring to various American leagues as being part of a tier, while still acknowledging the clear separation between them. -- iTocapa iChat 01:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
There are two reasons that MLS teams often seem inferior to USL teams. MLS teams are restricted to a senior roster of only 18 players while ULS-1 teams have a senior roster of 26 (I believe). And secondly USL teams have a salary cap, that isn't growing very fast (I must confess though, I don't know what the top USL teams payroll is).
A well-rested MLS team is probably better than a well-rested USL teams, but when these teams meet under pressure, the deeper benches on the USL squads seems to make a lot of difference. The USL teams have been winning in recent weeks in the Champions League despite playing 3 games a week, while the MLS teams have only been playing 2 games a week.
However, the bottom line however, is that we have a policy - Wikipedia:No original research. It doesn't matter what we think. If USL-1 is truly becoming the equal of MLS, then there should be references to this out there, and this is what should be in articles. If a soccer pyramid does exist in Canada and the USA, then it should be referenced somewhere. Nfitz ( talk) 04:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, it's looking worse and worse. rumors have it that the Cleveland City Stars have folded, and there is some talk that F.C New York isn't going to form up, either. That leaves only the veterans in Puerto Rico and Portland, and the newcomers in Austin. All three teams are strong teams, with good financials; but is three teams enough for a league? Will the USL just fold USL-2 in with USL-1, and be left with three massively dominant teams overpowering the rest? (Then again, Austin wasn't really 'dominating' in play, only in fan base.) The articles I link to are only rumors, so I'm not putting these on the main page yet, just a talk. Ehurtley ( talk) 22:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
A-League (1995–2004) should be merged into USL First Division. These are the same league with the only difference being a simple name change. The 1995 and 1996 stats are from the previous A-League and are already included at American Professional Soccer League which was known as the A-League from 1995-1996 Cmjc80 ( talk) 02:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion this article needs a major tidy up on two fronts. Firstly in light of the defections to the new NASL which is ongoing and difficult to keep up with. Secondly I thing the article should concentrate on the seasons when it was known as the USL First Division and not be cluttered with excessive info on the various predecessor names/leagues, all of which have their own articles anyway. Mention them by all means but don’t get bogged down. It is a bit ridiculous to try and merge all this info into one article, as one editor is trying to do, especially when US soccer leagues have a history of name changes, mergers and collapses, etc. Any thoughts here Djln -- Djln ( talk) 00:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)