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The section on notable activities is a bit dense, and more of a list of everything rather than the important events in Band history. Someone who is more familiar with scband history might like to simplify it? I might be able to do a bit, but don't want to lose something that's actually important. -- Rocksanddirt 05:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this really a necessary or useful addition to the article? It seems a bit superfluous to me...-- Sarichkaa 04:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)sarichkaa
Hello. I just now visited this page and went straight to discussion after seeing the section on their game day routine to see if there was anyone else who thought this is quite necessary. Indeed, my first thought was that this is unimportant unless it's particularly different from any other marching band routine, which it is not. Ereiyo ( talk) 07:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
This reads like an ad. I was about to go in and revert some vandalism, but it looks like the the "real" content is about as un-encyclopedic as the vandalism! I'll go revert the edits anyway, but this article needs an overhaul. Rob* 09:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
6:34 AM? Clearly, there's a story there... Anyone know what it is?
--
Baylink (
talk) 04:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The "History" section is a blatant cut-and-paste from the band's official history page. Unless they gave permission or posted it themselves, it needs to either be deleted or rewritten in a noninfringing form. — Dale Arnett ( talk) 05:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Plagiarism. Please see that for Wikipedias policy. This article is almost all plagiarized as well as a lack of NPOV. It needs to be heavily redone. Superbowlbound ( talk) 16:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
As Bobak said above, The "Official" Band history page is actually a cut and paste of this Wikipedia entry. I am the original author/researcher of the timeline in the late '90's and posted it to the Geocities page linked in the references. I then moved that data over to Wikipedia for wider distribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Embowafa34 ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, much of the history deleted last month was written by me for the Geocities site. MisfitToys ( talk) 21:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The 34 reference is, well, a bit sexual. It refersto aman (the "4) having sex with a busty girl ( the 3). We were nerds back then...also, would like to add that we were also in he TV show LA LAW. Just and FYI... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.7.190 ( talk) 07:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Um, the band is referred to as "the TMB" in the history section in 1880, long before USC was called the Trojans. It's just generally unprofessional and bad.-- 207.151.237.47 ( talk) 18:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
The problem with the year founded is the band from 1880 was not a marching band and is not actually the band that became the TMB. It was a university band in the sense of symphonic. Until the true date can be found and has a cited source other than I heard it was 1880. This will be removed and replaced with ???. As proof the Oregon State Marching band is recognized as the oldest band in the pac-10 and has the official title of Oldest Band in the Pac-10. Since this is true the TMB cant be older than the OSUMB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.107.185 ( talk) 03:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Since it came up, I'm gonna preempt the upcoming edit war here. The Sprit of Troy has called itself this for a long time; others have as well. It's clearly, clearly not vandalism in that it's not like some random person came in and changed the article on Obama to say "Super Awesomest President Obama." You can argue that the title is inaccurate, wrong, or misleading, but nevertheless, it's part of the Band's public culture and therefore fit for the article.
First of all, if you do a Google Search for the exact Phrase "Greatest Marching Band in the History of the Universe" on google, you're gonna get a ton of hits, and only about the USC Band:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22greatest+marching+band+in+the+history+of+the+universe%22
And here's the phrase being used officially by the band itself:
- The Spirit of Troy's Press Pack (page 9): http://www.usc.edu/dept/band/presspack.pdf
- Spirit of Troy Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/USC-Trojan-Marching-Band-Recruitment/172676632754510
- Yelp: http://www.yelp.com/biz/usc-trojan-marching-band-los-angeles
Other USC related sources:
- Article from the Daily Trojan: http://dailytrojan.com/2009/10/22/in-40th-year-bartner-still-hits-right-notes/
- Fan post on a USC forum: http://www.wearesc.com/forums/forum/main-category/main-forum/74736-an-ode-to-the-greatest-marching-band-in-the-history-of-the-universe
- Another one: http://usc.247sports.com/Board/29/Contents/The-Greatest-Marching-Band-in-the-History-of-the-Universe-9410685
And third party organizations:
- http://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/best-college-marching-bands/1500/
- http://www.zencollegelife.com/the-10-best-college-marching-bands-of-all-time/
- http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=51020.0;wap2
Embowaf ( talk) 03:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
"Greates Marching Band in the History of the Universe" may not be vandalism, but the (EVER) clearly is. It should also be noted that it is jokingly referred to as that. Lastly, there is not a citation-if it is as commonly referred to as that, there isn't any reason why there shouldn't be a citation.-- Johnny 42 ( talk) 01:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- The (EVER) is a band response to the phrase. It's commonly used too, but sourcing it would be difficult, so I've removed it. The "jokingly" you incorrectly put in however, certainly should not be there. While it's clear that the "Greatest Marching Band In the History of the Universe" line is not used to declare that the band is the pinnacle of music, nor the most perfect in marching precision, it is still not a joke. There are many ways to define great. Embowaf ( talk) 04:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure how best to add a comment, but I think it's worth noting that other marching bands have similar verbage on wikipedia:
The Spirit of Troy University of Southern California Trojan Marching Band was selected to perform in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, representing the state of California. This will mark the first Parade appearance by the band.
The Spirit of Troy University of Southern California Trojan Marching Band will join the parade to the call of “Let’s Have a Parade,” the iconic phrase that has signaled the start of every Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade since 1924. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B413:CE71:49DB:867C:F57B:9F71 ( talk) 16:14, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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Today (11/23/2019) I saw, while watching a recording of TV news on KCAL from the preceding day, a line regarding Dr. Bartner's upcoming retirement that flashed on the bottom of the screen. Later while using Google, in addition to finding articles regarding his retirement, I found other articles regarding the USC band, one regarding their first female drum major, and a second regarding the controversy at the football game. Since there were several postings regarding this incident in various websites, including a website from a department of USC, that information regarding this incident should be posted. I hoped I achieved a proper, neutral point of view. There were several postings that included derogatory Twitter statements from Cal students and alumni.
The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) MOVED to USC Trojan Marching Band without objection. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 17:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Spirit of Troy → USC Trojan Marching Band – The official name of the band is the USC Trojan Marching Band. The "Spirit of Troy" is the band's nickname.
Lastly, if none of the above persuades, bear in mind that official mail correspondence to the band goes to:
USC Trojan Marching Band
University of Southern California
1025 West 34th Street King Hall (KOH), Los Angeles, CA 90089
And any email correspondence goes to tmbusc.edu.
In conclusion, I fully concede that the band's use of both terms can be confusing and seemingly inconsistent at times, but the band has made it abundantly clear that the name is the USC Trojan Marching Band, or simply Trojan Marching Band for short, and the acronym is TMB for a reason. The settings in which the term "Spirit of Troy" are used (social media handles, etc.) are the same settings in which a nickname would sensibly be used, and it is never used in official correspondence. 98.148.62.183 ( talk) 18:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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The section on notable activities is a bit dense, and more of a list of everything rather than the important events in Band history. Someone who is more familiar with scband history might like to simplify it? I might be able to do a bit, but don't want to lose something that's actually important. -- Rocksanddirt 05:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Is this really a necessary or useful addition to the article? It seems a bit superfluous to me...-- Sarichkaa 04:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)sarichkaa
Hello. I just now visited this page and went straight to discussion after seeing the section on their game day routine to see if there was anyone else who thought this is quite necessary. Indeed, my first thought was that this is unimportant unless it's particularly different from any other marching band routine, which it is not. Ereiyo ( talk) 07:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
This reads like an ad. I was about to go in and revert some vandalism, but it looks like the the "real" content is about as un-encyclopedic as the vandalism! I'll go revert the edits anyway, but this article needs an overhaul. Rob* 09:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
6:34 AM? Clearly, there's a story there... Anyone know what it is?
--
Baylink (
talk) 04:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The "History" section is a blatant cut-and-paste from the band's official history page. Unless they gave permission or posted it themselves, it needs to either be deleted or rewritten in a noninfringing form. — Dale Arnett ( talk) 05:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Plagiarism. Please see that for Wikipedias policy. This article is almost all plagiarized as well as a lack of NPOV. It needs to be heavily redone. Superbowlbound ( talk) 16:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
As Bobak said above, The "Official" Band history page is actually a cut and paste of this Wikipedia entry. I am the original author/researcher of the timeline in the late '90's and posted it to the Geocities page linked in the references. I then moved that data over to Wikipedia for wider distribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Embowafa34 ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, much of the history deleted last month was written by me for the Geocities site. MisfitToys ( talk) 21:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
The 34 reference is, well, a bit sexual. It refersto aman (the "4) having sex with a busty girl ( the 3). We were nerds back then...also, would like to add that we were also in he TV show LA LAW. Just and FYI... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.7.190 ( talk) 07:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Um, the band is referred to as "the TMB" in the history section in 1880, long before USC was called the Trojans. It's just generally unprofessional and bad.-- 207.151.237.47 ( talk) 18:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
The problem with the year founded is the band from 1880 was not a marching band and is not actually the band that became the TMB. It was a university band in the sense of symphonic. Until the true date can be found and has a cited source other than I heard it was 1880. This will be removed and replaced with ???. As proof the Oregon State Marching band is recognized as the oldest band in the pac-10 and has the official title of Oldest Band in the Pac-10. Since this is true the TMB cant be older than the OSUMB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.107.185 ( talk) 03:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Since it came up, I'm gonna preempt the upcoming edit war here. The Sprit of Troy has called itself this for a long time; others have as well. It's clearly, clearly not vandalism in that it's not like some random person came in and changed the article on Obama to say "Super Awesomest President Obama." You can argue that the title is inaccurate, wrong, or misleading, but nevertheless, it's part of the Band's public culture and therefore fit for the article.
First of all, if you do a Google Search for the exact Phrase "Greatest Marching Band in the History of the Universe" on google, you're gonna get a ton of hits, and only about the USC Band:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22greatest+marching+band+in+the+history+of+the+universe%22
And here's the phrase being used officially by the band itself:
- The Spirit of Troy's Press Pack (page 9): http://www.usc.edu/dept/band/presspack.pdf
- Spirit of Troy Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/USC-Trojan-Marching-Band-Recruitment/172676632754510
- Yelp: http://www.yelp.com/biz/usc-trojan-marching-band-los-angeles
Other USC related sources:
- Article from the Daily Trojan: http://dailytrojan.com/2009/10/22/in-40th-year-bartner-still-hits-right-notes/
- Fan post on a USC forum: http://www.wearesc.com/forums/forum/main-category/main-forum/74736-an-ode-to-the-greatest-marching-band-in-the-history-of-the-universe
- Another one: http://usc.247sports.com/Board/29/Contents/The-Greatest-Marching-Band-in-the-History-of-the-Universe-9410685
And third party organizations:
- http://www.collegexpress.com/lists/list/best-college-marching-bands/1500/
- http://www.zencollegelife.com/the-10-best-college-marching-bands-of-all-time/
- http://onnidan1.com/forum/index.php?topic=51020.0;wap2
Embowaf ( talk) 03:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
"Greates Marching Band in the History of the Universe" may not be vandalism, but the (EVER) clearly is. It should also be noted that it is jokingly referred to as that. Lastly, there is not a citation-if it is as commonly referred to as that, there isn't any reason why there shouldn't be a citation.-- Johnny 42 ( talk) 01:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- The (EVER) is a band response to the phrase. It's commonly used too, but sourcing it would be difficult, so I've removed it. The "jokingly" you incorrectly put in however, certainly should not be there. While it's clear that the "Greatest Marching Band In the History of the Universe" line is not used to declare that the band is the pinnacle of music, nor the most perfect in marching precision, it is still not a joke. There are many ways to define great. Embowaf ( talk) 04:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure how best to add a comment, but I think it's worth noting that other marching bands have similar verbage on wikipedia:
The Spirit of Troy University of Southern California Trojan Marching Band was selected to perform in the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade, representing the state of California. This will mark the first Parade appearance by the band.
The Spirit of Troy University of Southern California Trojan Marching Band will join the parade to the call of “Let’s Have a Parade,” the iconic phrase that has signaled the start of every Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade since 1924. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B413:CE71:49DB:867C:F57B:9F71 ( talk) 16:14, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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Today (11/23/2019) I saw, while watching a recording of TV news on KCAL from the preceding day, a line regarding Dr. Bartner's upcoming retirement that flashed on the bottom of the screen. Later while using Google, in addition to finding articles regarding his retirement, I found other articles regarding the USC band, one regarding their first female drum major, and a second regarding the controversy at the football game. Since there were several postings regarding this incident in various websites, including a website from a department of USC, that information regarding this incident should be posted. I hoped I achieved a proper, neutral point of view. There were several postings that included derogatory Twitter statements from Cal students and alumni.
The result of the move request was: ( non-admin closure) MOVED to USC Trojan Marching Band without objection. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 17:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Spirit of Troy → USC Trojan Marching Band – The official name of the band is the USC Trojan Marching Band. The "Spirit of Troy" is the band's nickname.
Lastly, if none of the above persuades, bear in mind that official mail correspondence to the band goes to:
USC Trojan Marching Band
University of Southern California
1025 West 34th Street King Hall (KOH), Los Angeles, CA 90089
And any email correspondence goes to tmbusc.edu.
In conclusion, I fully concede that the band's use of both terms can be confusing and seemingly inconsistent at times, but the band has made it abundantly clear that the name is the USC Trojan Marching Band, or simply Trojan Marching Band for short, and the acronym is TMB for a reason. The settings in which the term "Spirit of Troy" are used (social media handles, etc.) are the same settings in which a nickname would sensibly be used, and it is never used in official correspondence. 98.148.62.183 ( talk) 18:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref group=Bartner retirement>
tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=Bartner retirement}}
template (see the
help page).