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This article treats the Inter-City Fairs Cup and the UEFA Cup as though they were the same competition. However, although the latter replaced the former, it was in fact completely different, organised by a different organisation and with entirely different qualification criteria. As such, the article seems to be in need of significant reworking to remove the years of the Fairs Cup.
Any thoughts?
-- Bcnviajero 13:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
In UEFA site there does not include Inter-Cities Fairs Cup , So UEFA Cup is not Inter-Cities Fairs Cup. Saudi9999 09:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Both records are intertwined as its its predeccesor, offcial records state this!
all throughout its history they have been lumped together, official records state both records together including football history books, it's a predecessor to the uefa cup and that is fact. Simple as that. It has been for 30 odd years now and still is lumped together. Even when mentioning Spain or Italy's european trophy haul on commentary, it says the tally of euro. trophies won with the fairs cup taken into account, how can anyone not count it as a european trophy is beyond me, it is in every team's honours list as a major european trophy won and in every book, including skysports 2005/2006 football book. All the indications lead to the fairs cup being included, simple as that. There is no two ways about it.
Does it look like i can give you a source, no obviously not! it is common knowledge they are lumped together, it's a predecessor for god sake what don't you understand?! it proceded it! For 30 odd years they have been lumped together, until you came along with your silly internet crusade!
"This article treats the Inter-City Fairs Cup and the UEFA Cup as though they were the same competition. However, although the latter replaced the former, it was in fact completely different, organised by a different organisation and with entirely different qualification criteria. As such, the article seems to be in need of significant reworking to remove the years of the Fairs Cup. -- Bcnviajero 13:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)"
Compeltely different? no they weren't they just replaced eachother, it is common knowledge that the records are combined. Therefore i am requesting BestEverEditor to stop reverting and being a plonker.
Thanks kindly! Fadiga09 17:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Does it matter about UEFA? it was the predeccessor to the uefa cup and it was the same tournament and set-up you'll find.
30 odd years of precedence is good enough for me and there's a reason it has been on wikipedia for years, until you started editing all over the shop!
http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/uefacup/History/index.html, stick that where the sun don't shine.
I QUOTE:
Forerunner
This forerunner to the UEFA Cup, the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, was founded on 18 April 1955, two weeks after the founding of the European Champion Clubs’ Cup. The first Fairs Cup involved teams from Barcelona, Basle, Birmingham, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Lausanne, Leipzig, London, Milan and Zagreb. The original tournament lasted three years, with matches timed to coincide with trade fairs. Barcelona, using players purely from FC Barcelona, beat a London representative side 8-2 on aggregate in the final.
Name change
The fifth of these was in 1971/72, won by Tottenham Hotspur FC, and the first to be known as the UEFA Cup. The change of name was recognition of the fact the competition was now run by UEFA and no longer associated with the trade fairs. During the 1970s German, Dutch, Belgian and Swedish sides began to successfully compete with the English and between 1968 and 1984 only one team from the south – Juventus FC in 1977 – managed to disrupt the dominance of the northern Europeans.
"forerunner" "name change", wonder what these words mean. ( Fadiga09 19:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC))
The wording of "name change" basically in anything in life means something the same being name changed, it basically means it was the same thing. What do you think "name change" means? The Premiership was name changed form the Old First Division, same as the Champions League changed name from the European Cup?
That source proves me point. FACT. ( Fadiga09 17:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC))
Changing name means it was the same tournament, which meanss the results are related. As in anything that is "changed name" in anything in life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fadiga09 ( talk • contribs) 17:11, August 20, 2007 (UTC).
Due to the long-running edit war, I have protected this article and three others where the same UEFA Cup/ Fairs Cup dispute is occurring. Protection is not an endorsement of the current version (see m:The Wrong Version). As for all four articles the dispute is identical, I suggest discussion ought to take place on one page to help keep track. Talk:European football records seems the most suitable place, as there is already some discussion on the matter there. Oldelpaso 18:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Consensus has already ruled, i'm afaid. Check the European football records talk page, revert please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadiga09 ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
What dont you understand Dreadster, all the explanations, discussing and EVENTUAL ruling is in the talk page of the European football records page, do you not understand English. There was countless weeks of arguing about the fairs cup then and it was finally agreed that it would be included, saudi999 obviously hasn'ta a clue. So i suggest you go back and read the talk page of the EUROPEAN FOOTBALL RECORDS page and see all the arguing and eventual ruling, then revert it back. WHY HAVE ANOTHER POLL WHEN IT WAS ALREADY DECIDED. Now please revert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadiga09 ( talk • contribs) 18:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
No, you are wrong, again! Look at that talk page, the admin CLEARLY STATES the argument that was won by us (me and others) was for all the uefa cup pages and European football records, go back and look at that talk page.
I quote "This is survey to help gauge the degree of consensus on the subject of the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup and UEFA Cup. Should the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup results be integrated with UEFA Cup's on the following articles: UEFA Cup, UEFA Cup records and statistics, UEFA Cup finals, European football records?"
Benfica holds the record of most wins and most scored goals in Europa League. Why isn't this information available in the article? 85.247.150.14 ( talk) 17:24, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure of value of the Number of participating clubs by country of the Europa League era section when it turns out that it only includes clubs who played in the group stage. For instance, to read that section without having noticed the extra criteria, one would believe that Sevilla didn't play in the competition in 2015-16, when they actually arrived from the Champions League and won it.
Either it should include the group stage caveat in the title or it should (and this has far more value, I think) include seasons where team qualified having finished third in the Champions League qualifying round. The teams could have those seasons listed in italics, as in UEFA Europa League clubs performance comparison. If you were particularly keen you could make the total more details so it said something like "4 (2 group stage, 2 knock-out)".
Similarly, I'm not sure of the value of listing the participating clubs just for the five years the UEFA Cup had a group stage. I think it would make more sense to have a separate list article of UEFA Cup participants (given it would be quite sizeable). Finally, I think all the keys ("bold = something" etc) should be above the tables not below them. All thoughts welcome, HornetMike ( talk) 18:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Elfsborg in 2007-08 represented Sweden (not Denmark) Metufit ( talk) 07:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
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This article treats the Inter-City Fairs Cup and the UEFA Cup as though they were the same competition. However, although the latter replaced the former, it was in fact completely different, organised by a different organisation and with entirely different qualification criteria. As such, the article seems to be in need of significant reworking to remove the years of the Fairs Cup.
Any thoughts?
-- Bcnviajero 13:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
In UEFA site there does not include Inter-Cities Fairs Cup , So UEFA Cup is not Inter-Cities Fairs Cup. Saudi9999 09:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Both records are intertwined as its its predeccesor, offcial records state this!
all throughout its history they have been lumped together, official records state both records together including football history books, it's a predecessor to the uefa cup and that is fact. Simple as that. It has been for 30 odd years now and still is lumped together. Even when mentioning Spain or Italy's european trophy haul on commentary, it says the tally of euro. trophies won with the fairs cup taken into account, how can anyone not count it as a european trophy is beyond me, it is in every team's honours list as a major european trophy won and in every book, including skysports 2005/2006 football book. All the indications lead to the fairs cup being included, simple as that. There is no two ways about it.
Does it look like i can give you a source, no obviously not! it is common knowledge they are lumped together, it's a predecessor for god sake what don't you understand?! it proceded it! For 30 odd years they have been lumped together, until you came along with your silly internet crusade!
"This article treats the Inter-City Fairs Cup and the UEFA Cup as though they were the same competition. However, although the latter replaced the former, it was in fact completely different, organised by a different organisation and with entirely different qualification criteria. As such, the article seems to be in need of significant reworking to remove the years of the Fairs Cup. -- Bcnviajero 13:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)"
Compeltely different? no they weren't they just replaced eachother, it is common knowledge that the records are combined. Therefore i am requesting BestEverEditor to stop reverting and being a plonker.
Thanks kindly! Fadiga09 17:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Does it matter about UEFA? it was the predeccessor to the uefa cup and it was the same tournament and set-up you'll find.
30 odd years of precedence is good enough for me and there's a reason it has been on wikipedia for years, until you started editing all over the shop!
http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/uefacup/History/index.html, stick that where the sun don't shine.
I QUOTE:
Forerunner
This forerunner to the UEFA Cup, the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, was founded on 18 April 1955, two weeks after the founding of the European Champion Clubs’ Cup. The first Fairs Cup involved teams from Barcelona, Basle, Birmingham, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Lausanne, Leipzig, London, Milan and Zagreb. The original tournament lasted three years, with matches timed to coincide with trade fairs. Barcelona, using players purely from FC Barcelona, beat a London representative side 8-2 on aggregate in the final.
Name change
The fifth of these was in 1971/72, won by Tottenham Hotspur FC, and the first to be known as the UEFA Cup. The change of name was recognition of the fact the competition was now run by UEFA and no longer associated with the trade fairs. During the 1970s German, Dutch, Belgian and Swedish sides began to successfully compete with the English and between 1968 and 1984 only one team from the south – Juventus FC in 1977 – managed to disrupt the dominance of the northern Europeans.
"forerunner" "name change", wonder what these words mean. ( Fadiga09 19:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC))
The wording of "name change" basically in anything in life means something the same being name changed, it basically means it was the same thing. What do you think "name change" means? The Premiership was name changed form the Old First Division, same as the Champions League changed name from the European Cup?
That source proves me point. FACT. ( Fadiga09 17:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC))
Changing name means it was the same tournament, which meanss the results are related. As in anything that is "changed name" in anything in life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fadiga09 ( talk • contribs) 17:11, August 20, 2007 (UTC).
Due to the long-running edit war, I have protected this article and three others where the same UEFA Cup/ Fairs Cup dispute is occurring. Protection is not an endorsement of the current version (see m:The Wrong Version). As for all four articles the dispute is identical, I suggest discussion ought to take place on one page to help keep track. Talk:European football records seems the most suitable place, as there is already some discussion on the matter there. Oldelpaso 18:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Consensus has already ruled, i'm afaid. Check the European football records talk page, revert please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadiga09 ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
What dont you understand Dreadster, all the explanations, discussing and EVENTUAL ruling is in the talk page of the European football records page, do you not understand English. There was countless weeks of arguing about the fairs cup then and it was finally agreed that it would be included, saudi999 obviously hasn'ta a clue. So i suggest you go back and read the talk page of the EUROPEAN FOOTBALL RECORDS page and see all the arguing and eventual ruling, then revert it back. WHY HAVE ANOTHER POLL WHEN IT WAS ALREADY DECIDED. Now please revert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadiga09 ( talk • contribs) 18:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
No, you are wrong, again! Look at that talk page, the admin CLEARLY STATES the argument that was won by us (me and others) was for all the uefa cup pages and European football records, go back and look at that talk page.
I quote "This is survey to help gauge the degree of consensus on the subject of the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup and UEFA Cup. Should the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup results be integrated with UEFA Cup's on the following articles: UEFA Cup, UEFA Cup records and statistics, UEFA Cup finals, European football records?"
Benfica holds the record of most wins and most scored goals in Europa League. Why isn't this information available in the article? 85.247.150.14 ( talk) 17:24, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm not sure of value of the Number of participating clubs by country of the Europa League era section when it turns out that it only includes clubs who played in the group stage. For instance, to read that section without having noticed the extra criteria, one would believe that Sevilla didn't play in the competition in 2015-16, when they actually arrived from the Champions League and won it.
Either it should include the group stage caveat in the title or it should (and this has far more value, I think) include seasons where team qualified having finished third in the Champions League qualifying round. The teams could have those seasons listed in italics, as in UEFA Europa League clubs performance comparison. If you were particularly keen you could make the total more details so it said something like "4 (2 group stage, 2 knock-out)".
Similarly, I'm not sure of the value of listing the participating clubs just for the five years the UEFA Cup had a group stage. I think it would make more sense to have a separate list article of UEFA Cup participants (given it would be quite sizeable). Finally, I think all the keys ("bold = something" etc) should be above the tables not below them. All thoughts welcome, HornetMike ( talk) 18:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Elfsborg in 2007-08 represented Sweden (not Denmark) Metufit ( talk) 07:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)