![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||
|
User:Aeron Valderrama has been insistent on Damnatio memoriae of the term "import" in favor of "Foreign Student Athlete", and using University of the Philippines (the article is about a university system) over University of the Philippines Diliman (the actual university represented in the UAAP), both with the arguments "this is what the UAAP wants". Firstly, this is not an article naming issue, but it reeks of WP:OFFICIAL, and we don't follow "official names" unless it that name is the one that is predominantly used. See for example Czech Republic vs. Czechia, Cape Verde vs. Cabo Verde, Turkey vs. Turkiye, etc.
Now, for imports, that term is the clear winner over the neologism that is "foreign student athlete". Even Pido Jarencio used it himself in an interview (this is a translation, and we actually don't know what Jarencio said himself in Tagalog presumably, but the translation used this term). Quinito Henson used the term himself in 2022. The People's Journal used the term in 2022. This term isn't going away and we are obligated to use what the WP:RS are using, and not what is being imposed (unless they are successful).
As for "University of the Philippines", this is personal sticking point for me, but we should always use what the actual article name is. This is because we had settled on it. University of the Philippines Diliman even had an WP:RM. Using another article title in prose is of obvious defiance to the RM; if you think the article title is wrong, create another RM: maybe ask to move University of the Philippines Diliman to " University of the Philippines (university)" then " University of the Philippines to " University of the Philippines (system)"?
There's also UAAP precedent where Jun Limpot played for De La Salle Green Archers while being enrolled in De La Salle–College of Saint Benilde (this was before CSB was in the NCAA, but I'm not sure if they already had a basketball program at that time). The UAAP board ruled that since CSB had a separate set of board of trustees, then it is an entirely different institution; in UP system's case, each university is a university and not a campus. You can argue "UP Diliman represents every UP university", but the UAAP would not allow UPLB or UP Manila students to play in the UAAP. You can argue "UAAP coverage doesn't refer to UP Diliman as 'UP Diliman' but just 'UP'," which I'd concede, so I'd push for linking to University of the Philippines Diliman but pipelinking it to just "University of the Philippines". Howard the Duck ( talk) 05:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
This was derisively bashed in social media, with the 1st games not even being aired on UAAP Varsity Channel. Here are One Sports's schedules on November 25 and November 22 and neither list the UAAP women's basketball semifinals. Howard the Duck ( talk) 12:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||
|
User:Aeron Valderrama has been insistent on Damnatio memoriae of the term "import" in favor of "Foreign Student Athlete", and using University of the Philippines (the article is about a university system) over University of the Philippines Diliman (the actual university represented in the UAAP), both with the arguments "this is what the UAAP wants". Firstly, this is not an article naming issue, but it reeks of WP:OFFICIAL, and we don't follow "official names" unless it that name is the one that is predominantly used. See for example Czech Republic vs. Czechia, Cape Verde vs. Cabo Verde, Turkey vs. Turkiye, etc.
Now, for imports, that term is the clear winner over the neologism that is "foreign student athlete". Even Pido Jarencio used it himself in an interview (this is a translation, and we actually don't know what Jarencio said himself in Tagalog presumably, but the translation used this term). Quinito Henson used the term himself in 2022. The People's Journal used the term in 2022. This term isn't going away and we are obligated to use what the WP:RS are using, and not what is being imposed (unless they are successful).
As for "University of the Philippines", this is personal sticking point for me, but we should always use what the actual article name is. This is because we had settled on it. University of the Philippines Diliman even had an WP:RM. Using another article title in prose is of obvious defiance to the RM; if you think the article title is wrong, create another RM: maybe ask to move University of the Philippines Diliman to " University of the Philippines (university)" then " University of the Philippines to " University of the Philippines (system)"?
There's also UAAP precedent where Jun Limpot played for De La Salle Green Archers while being enrolled in De La Salle–College of Saint Benilde (this was before CSB was in the NCAA, but I'm not sure if they already had a basketball program at that time). The UAAP board ruled that since CSB had a separate set of board of trustees, then it is an entirely different institution; in UP system's case, each university is a university and not a campus. You can argue "UP Diliman represents every UP university", but the UAAP would not allow UPLB or UP Manila students to play in the UAAP. You can argue "UAAP coverage doesn't refer to UP Diliman as 'UP Diliman' but just 'UP'," which I'd concede, so I'd push for linking to University of the Philippines Diliman but pipelinking it to just "University of the Philippines". Howard the Duck ( talk) 05:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
This was derisively bashed in social media, with the 1st games not even being aired on UAAP Varsity Channel. Here are One Sports's schedules on November 25 and November 22 and neither list the UAAP women's basketball semifinals. Howard the Duck ( talk) 12:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)