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However, it should be noted that the Uí Liatháin are not considered tributary even in most late contexts, and were certainly not during this period, as the historical Eóganachta, who came to dominate Munster and marginalize the other kingdoms politically, did not appear for at least another century (Byrne 2001). In fact in many early sources the Uí Liatháin are considered a free, large and powerful kingdom and sometimes even peripheral Eóganachta (Byrne 2001; Charles-Edwards 2000). They are further, like the Uí Fidgenti, related to the semi-mythological Crimthann mac Fidaig, an early High King of Ireland, who is believed to have built a fortress or fortresses in Cornwall. Byrne (2001) and others in fact suggest that the Eóganachta and the Déisi of Waterford, who would be the Déisi in question, might have shared common origins, while the Uí Liatháin are often assigned to another race entirely, the powerful Érainn or Darini, connected also to the famous Ulaid and Dál Riata. Though the Eóganachta themselves were a well liked and sometimes powerful dynasty, the sources for their history are notorious in Ireland for their political fabrications (see Cathal mac Finguine), and so it is unlikely the Uí Liatháin were ever made tributary even if they were isolated. They had an independent dynasty which continued well into the late medieval period, and having such was in fact only possible for saerthuatha, or free kingdoms. The Uí Liatháin are included with these and not with the aithechthuatha in the sources. These complex but very relevant matters are discussed by MacNeill (1911), O'Rahilly (1946), Byrne (2001), and Charles-Edwards (2000).
I'm curious why the focus on this article is on Uí Liatháin influence in Britain and not their history/origins in Ireland. Is it due to a lack of sources? Liz Read! Talk! 16:09, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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However, it should be noted that the Uí Liatháin are not considered tributary even in most late contexts, and were certainly not during this period, as the historical Eóganachta, who came to dominate Munster and marginalize the other kingdoms politically, did not appear for at least another century (Byrne 2001). In fact in many early sources the Uí Liatháin are considered a free, large and powerful kingdom and sometimes even peripheral Eóganachta (Byrne 2001; Charles-Edwards 2000). They are further, like the Uí Fidgenti, related to the semi-mythological Crimthann mac Fidaig, an early High King of Ireland, who is believed to have built a fortress or fortresses in Cornwall. Byrne (2001) and others in fact suggest that the Eóganachta and the Déisi of Waterford, who would be the Déisi in question, might have shared common origins, while the Uí Liatháin are often assigned to another race entirely, the powerful Érainn or Darini, connected also to the famous Ulaid and Dál Riata. Though the Eóganachta themselves were a well liked and sometimes powerful dynasty, the sources for their history are notorious in Ireland for their political fabrications (see Cathal mac Finguine), and so it is unlikely the Uí Liatháin were ever made tributary even if they were isolated. They had an independent dynasty which continued well into the late medieval period, and having such was in fact only possible for saerthuatha, or free kingdoms. The Uí Liatháin are included with these and not with the aithechthuatha in the sources. These complex but very relevant matters are discussed by MacNeill (1911), O'Rahilly (1946), Byrne (2001), and Charles-Edwards (2000).
I'm curious why the focus on this article is on Uí Liatháin influence in Britain and not their history/origins in Ireland. Is it due to a lack of sources? Liz Read! Talk! 16:09, 18 September 2013 (UTC)