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Googling turns up the following text in the [http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=309575&page=5 white-supremacist Serbian? webite "Stormpower"]: "There is a Greek-Etruscan bilingue at Delphi from this period where the Etruscan tribal name Velthanes is rendered as Tyrrhenoi in Greek." This Wikipedia-only "bilingue" is apparently a bilingual inscription: is there any responsible source for this? A sentence or so of the Delphi context in which it was found would improve credibility. -- Wetman 15:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The article needs a lot of work in development, referencing and formatting. Meanwhile, a major theory is that these were the sea people of this name. That needs to be worked up and this is the article in which to do it. Sea peoples is looking pretty good now so I moved the text from Etruscan civilization on sea peoples to here and there will be a ref to it in that article. For now though it is not good enough just to go in, so I put it here instead for future ref. By that I mean, not the distant future, as I am working on this set of articles now. Don't be misled by the poor quality of the text removed. Everything about it will suffer a sea change. The text:
An Egyptian inscription at Deir al-Madinah records a victory of Ramesses III over Sea Peoples, including some named Tursha (spelled [twrš3] in Egyptian script). These are probably the same as the earlier Teresh (found written as [trš.w]) of the Merneptah Stele, commemorating Merneptah’s victory in a Libyan campaign at about 1220 BC. This may be too early for the Trojan War. Some have connected the name to the city Taruisas, Troy. The Greeks referred to them originally as *Tyrsenoi, later as Tyrrhenoi. Etruscans referred to themselves as "Rasena", possibly a later corruption of "Trasena" ' even "Tlasena" (from Thalassa = pre-Greek or " Pelasgian" for Sea. The first Etruscan settlement in Italy was said to have been Piombina, after an initial settlement in Elba. From there they are said to have spread throughout Etruria. Dave 19:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Just so that everyone knows, I added the "Necropolis" section in order to add an archaeological dimension to the article. Keep in mind that I do not care who the Tyrrhenians were or who today is related to them. I just don't care. So, please do not engage in edit wars or fill my discussion page with questionable statements. All I did was add sourced content. That is all. Elysonius ( talk) 02:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we could briefly refer to the necropolis here. The "Tyrrhenians" are only mentioned in passing. In fact, the Della Seta quote reads "the Tyrrhenians or Pelasgians of Lemnos may be recognized as a remnant of a Mycenaean population.", viz. "Tyrrhenian" and "Pelasgian" are casually used as synonyms for pre-Greek. dab (𒁳) 16:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
The section on Spard has what looks like a single, tangential source while the claim it supposedly supports is explicitly dealt with in the previous second. It also asserts, without sourcing, a "homeland" for the Tyrrhenians that the previous section discounts. It looks like another example of the Troy->Italy trope that never turns out to be true. Are there any better sources, or is it worth letting the previous section deal with the question and just remove this section entirely? Endie ( talk) 11:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Googling turns up the following text in the [http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=309575&page=5 white-supremacist Serbian? webite "Stormpower"]: "There is a Greek-Etruscan bilingue at Delphi from this period where the Etruscan tribal name Velthanes is rendered as Tyrrhenoi in Greek." This Wikipedia-only "bilingue" is apparently a bilingual inscription: is there any responsible source for this? A sentence or so of the Delphi context in which it was found would improve credibility. -- Wetman 15:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The article needs a lot of work in development, referencing and formatting. Meanwhile, a major theory is that these were the sea people of this name. That needs to be worked up and this is the article in which to do it. Sea peoples is looking pretty good now so I moved the text from Etruscan civilization on sea peoples to here and there will be a ref to it in that article. For now though it is not good enough just to go in, so I put it here instead for future ref. By that I mean, not the distant future, as I am working on this set of articles now. Don't be misled by the poor quality of the text removed. Everything about it will suffer a sea change. The text:
An Egyptian inscription at Deir al-Madinah records a victory of Ramesses III over Sea Peoples, including some named Tursha (spelled [twrš3] in Egyptian script). These are probably the same as the earlier Teresh (found written as [trš.w]) of the Merneptah Stele, commemorating Merneptah’s victory in a Libyan campaign at about 1220 BC. This may be too early for the Trojan War. Some have connected the name to the city Taruisas, Troy. The Greeks referred to them originally as *Tyrsenoi, later as Tyrrhenoi. Etruscans referred to themselves as "Rasena", possibly a later corruption of "Trasena" ' even "Tlasena" (from Thalassa = pre-Greek or " Pelasgian" for Sea. The first Etruscan settlement in Italy was said to have been Piombina, after an initial settlement in Elba. From there they are said to have spread throughout Etruria. Dave 19:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Just so that everyone knows, I added the "Necropolis" section in order to add an archaeological dimension to the article. Keep in mind that I do not care who the Tyrrhenians were or who today is related to them. I just don't care. So, please do not engage in edit wars or fill my discussion page with questionable statements. All I did was add sourced content. That is all. Elysonius ( talk) 02:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I think we could briefly refer to the necropolis here. The "Tyrrhenians" are only mentioned in passing. In fact, the Della Seta quote reads "the Tyrrhenians or Pelasgians of Lemnos may be recognized as a remnant of a Mycenaean population.", viz. "Tyrrhenian" and "Pelasgian" are casually used as synonyms for pre-Greek. dab (𒁳) 16:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
The section on Spard has what looks like a single, tangential source while the claim it supposedly supports is explicitly dealt with in the previous second. It also asserts, without sourcing, a "homeland" for the Tyrrhenians that the previous section discounts. It looks like another example of the Troy->Italy trope that never turns out to be true. Are there any better sources, or is it worth letting the previous section deal with the question and just remove this section entirely? Endie ( talk) 11:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)