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I authored this article, as many Buddhism articles refer to the three types of Buddha, so it seems that a natural centre of interest was being called for. ( 20040302)
I have concluded that you are right about keeping this article separate. But right now, we have six related articles:
(not to mention the sravaka article)
I propose that we need no more than 4 articles, one about the distinctions and one for each of the types. I suggest the article titles Buddha, Pratyekabuddha, arhat, and three types of Buddha. - Nat Kraus e 04:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An arhat is said to have rid his psyche of all desires and defilements, and therefore has transcended affliction and is not destined for further rebirth. These defilements are sometimes listed as " ten fetters": self-identification views, uncertainty, grasping at precepts and practices, sensual passion, resistance, desire for form, desire for formless phenomena, conceit, restlessness, and ignorance.
Somebody reverted me on Arhat, and asked me to come here. Personally I think talk:arhat is a better place, but why argue needlessly? I am here, speak your peace (oh, and be aware, I'm not a buddha ;). Sam [ Spade] 19:45, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi Sam, I was hoping you would read the talk here as a part of the overall discussion regarding Arhat. Unfortunately the paragraph that you appear to be attached to reflects a regularly occuring defensive POV of the Theravadans without any basis in fact, in other words, a fundamental attribution error. It is hard to find Mahayana sutra or commentarial sources that back up the stance as held. Hence the reason for removing what are, after all, divisive remarks that from my POV appear to be deliberately attempting to encourage polemics between different Budddhist schools. Once you have read the talk here, would you like to help me reconstruct the deconstructed paragraph over at Talk:Arhat? ( 20040302 08:44, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC))
I've done some copyediting to this article, fixing a number of grammarical, spelling, and clarity errors. I've tried not to disturb the content, though in a few cases I've had to rearrange sentences and rewrite sections to enhance clarity. If someone better versed in buddhist tradition wouldn't mind scanning my changes to make sure I didn't inadvertantly change the meaning of something, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Phidauex 20:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The hyphenation of samyaksambuddha as "samyaksam-buddha" is wrong, both in terms of spelling and as a guide to etymology. It wrongly implies that there is an element "samyaksam". Actually there are two layers of compounding here:
A prefix like "sam" is normally considered an integral part of the word it is attached to. So you could hyphenate "samyak-sambuddha", but not "samyaksam-buddha". It is better not to have any hyphen at all, though. RandomCritic 17:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
If no evidence of the Mahayana use of the term Savakabuddha is forthcoming, I think it will be appropriate to take out the reference to Mahayana scriptures which mention Savakabuddha. Greetings, Sacca 06:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
As I've noted here and at Sravakabuddha, the term Savakabuddha is not confined to 1 obscure text but is found in the standard commentaries.
If nobody can find it in Sanskrit, shouldn't the article on it be renamed from a non-existent word to a real one? I'll try to remember to look it up in Edgerton's BHS dictionary. Peter jackson 16:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
No trace in Edgerton or any Sanskrit dictioary I can find, but then savakabuddha is not in Pali dictionaries either, but still exists, so that doesn't prove anything. Peter jackson 11:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
In the "Teaching and Studying" section, the following is erroneously stated of the Mahayana: "the three types of Buddha correspond to different programs of skillful means ( upāya) or expedient practices. Notably, chapter 3 of the Mahāyāna Lotus Sutra compares the three types of Buddha to three vehicles". It does not! The Buddha nowhere in that sutra speaks of "three types of Buddha", nor does he say in that parable that the people who travel in the three different carriages are "Buddhas" or that the three carriages correspond to Buddhas. Nor does Mahayana generally speak of "three types of Buddha" (i.e. Mahayana does NOT generally, if at all, speak of a "sravakabuddha"). So I propose to delete the sentence above in the coming days, unless good, sound evidential support can be adduced for its retention. Best wishes. Tony. TonyMPNS 12:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
What does mainstream mean? Some scholars use it as yet another synonym for Hinayana/Sravakayana/conservative/early/Nikaya/sectarian/... Is it an acceptable term in Wikipedia at all? It seems to me to suggest that other, unspecified forms of Buddhism are marginal/fringe, which would seem to violate neutrality. Peter jackson 09:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I've now edited the page to remove the implicit bias. I'm interested to see someone has found a Mahayana source for the term Sravakabuddha. The other question still remains: does any Mahayana source talk of 2 or 3 types of Buddha in this sense? Peter jackson ( talk) 10:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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I authored this article, as many Buddhism articles refer to the three types of Buddha, so it seems that a natural centre of interest was being called for. ( 20040302)
I have concluded that you are right about keeping this article separate. But right now, we have six related articles:
(not to mention the sravaka article)
I propose that we need no more than 4 articles, one about the distinctions and one for each of the types. I suggest the article titles Buddha, Pratyekabuddha, arhat, and three types of Buddha. - Nat Kraus e 04:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An arhat is said to have rid his psyche of all desires and defilements, and therefore has transcended affliction and is not destined for further rebirth. These defilements are sometimes listed as " ten fetters": self-identification views, uncertainty, grasping at precepts and practices, sensual passion, resistance, desire for form, desire for formless phenomena, conceit, restlessness, and ignorance.
Somebody reverted me on Arhat, and asked me to come here. Personally I think talk:arhat is a better place, but why argue needlessly? I am here, speak your peace (oh, and be aware, I'm not a buddha ;). Sam [ Spade] 19:45, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hi Sam, I was hoping you would read the talk here as a part of the overall discussion regarding Arhat. Unfortunately the paragraph that you appear to be attached to reflects a regularly occuring defensive POV of the Theravadans without any basis in fact, in other words, a fundamental attribution error. It is hard to find Mahayana sutra or commentarial sources that back up the stance as held. Hence the reason for removing what are, after all, divisive remarks that from my POV appear to be deliberately attempting to encourage polemics between different Budddhist schools. Once you have read the talk here, would you like to help me reconstruct the deconstructed paragraph over at Talk:Arhat? ( 20040302 08:44, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC))
I've done some copyediting to this article, fixing a number of grammarical, spelling, and clarity errors. I've tried not to disturb the content, though in a few cases I've had to rearrange sentences and rewrite sections to enhance clarity. If someone better versed in buddhist tradition wouldn't mind scanning my changes to make sure I didn't inadvertantly change the meaning of something, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Phidauex 20:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The hyphenation of samyaksambuddha as "samyaksam-buddha" is wrong, both in terms of spelling and as a guide to etymology. It wrongly implies that there is an element "samyaksam". Actually there are two layers of compounding here:
A prefix like "sam" is normally considered an integral part of the word it is attached to. So you could hyphenate "samyak-sambuddha", but not "samyaksam-buddha". It is better not to have any hyphen at all, though. RandomCritic 17:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
If no evidence of the Mahayana use of the term Savakabuddha is forthcoming, I think it will be appropriate to take out the reference to Mahayana scriptures which mention Savakabuddha. Greetings, Sacca 06:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
As I've noted here and at Sravakabuddha, the term Savakabuddha is not confined to 1 obscure text but is found in the standard commentaries.
If nobody can find it in Sanskrit, shouldn't the article on it be renamed from a non-existent word to a real one? I'll try to remember to look it up in Edgerton's BHS dictionary. Peter jackson 16:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
No trace in Edgerton or any Sanskrit dictioary I can find, but then savakabuddha is not in Pali dictionaries either, but still exists, so that doesn't prove anything. Peter jackson 11:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
In the "Teaching and Studying" section, the following is erroneously stated of the Mahayana: "the three types of Buddha correspond to different programs of skillful means ( upāya) or expedient practices. Notably, chapter 3 of the Mahāyāna Lotus Sutra compares the three types of Buddha to three vehicles". It does not! The Buddha nowhere in that sutra speaks of "three types of Buddha", nor does he say in that parable that the people who travel in the three different carriages are "Buddhas" or that the three carriages correspond to Buddhas. Nor does Mahayana generally speak of "three types of Buddha" (i.e. Mahayana does NOT generally, if at all, speak of a "sravakabuddha"). So I propose to delete the sentence above in the coming days, unless good, sound evidential support can be adduced for its retention. Best wishes. Tony. TonyMPNS 12:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
What does mainstream mean? Some scholars use it as yet another synonym for Hinayana/Sravakayana/conservative/early/Nikaya/sectarian/... Is it an acceptable term in Wikipedia at all? It seems to me to suggest that other, unspecified forms of Buddhism are marginal/fringe, which would seem to violate neutrality. Peter jackson 09:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I've now edited the page to remove the implicit bias. I'm interested to see someone has found a Mahayana source for the term Sravakabuddha. The other question still remains: does any Mahayana source talk of 2 or 3 types of Buddha in this sense? Peter jackson ( talk) 10:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)