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Hi
Indianhistorian101. Yes, the Wikipedia policy is generally not to mention people unless they're already subjects of standalone articles, per
WP:WTAF. We're not here to assist people in identifying origins; that's the work of forensic genealogists. It is not that difficult to determine notability, as we have guidelines for that sort of thing. The argument that we leave up a tree with--I'm guessing between three and four hundred names--would mean that we open the gates to countless people of questionable notability being mentioned across the platform. There's a reason we have
WP:NOTINHERITED, to prevent such situations. Finally, the Taft article is problematic for the same reason, and doesn't validate the practice.
WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST is helpful on that count.
A question: how did you come by the extensive family tree? If you're a member of the Tyabji family or in any way associated with it, that does need to be divulged. Your edit history suggests that this is your sole interest, so it's a logical question. Thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing from other experienced editors.
2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (
talk)
20:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Fair enough, was researching the family and found an incomplete and lacking Wiki page, hence, decided to update it. Found the family tree by simply searching up specific members that had already been mentioned on the Wiki.
Along similar lines and
WP:WTAF,
Indianhistorian101, I'd strongly reconsider adding family members whose notability has yet to be established through standalone articles, as you're doing in the body of the article. They may be removed, and adding as many as you have really suggests
WP:COI. We may be reaching a point where it will be necessary to call on other non-involved editors.
2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (
talk)
22:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Family tree
Mullah Tyab Ali, m. Ameena Tyab Ali
Al-Haj Mulla Najmuddin Tyabji, m. Durrat-ul-Sadaf binte Feyzhyder and Maryam Khatoon Mulla Najmuddin Tyabji
Sakina Zauja-e-Mulla Jivabhai bin Abdul Ali, m. Mulla Jivabhai bin Mulla Abdul Ali Chand Bhai
Mulla Faizul Hussain bin Mulla Jivabhai Abdul Ali, m. Vazirunnisa binte Najmuddin and Zakiya binte Sayyidi Ali Shabaam
Noorunnisa binte Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdul Ali, m. Amiruddin bin Mulla Jeevabhai Mohamedi
Sadia Mulla Asadali Salehbhai, m. Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Asadali bin Mulla Abdul Rashid Salehbhai
Al-Haj Mulla Hamid Asadali Salehbhai
Alia Iqbal Hussain Amiruddin, m. Iqbal Hussain Amiruddin
Ahmareen Shoeb Noorani, m. Mohammed Shoeb Yousuf Noorani
Abdullah Shoeb Noorani
Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Masood Asadali Salehbhai
Mulla Ali Masood Salehbhai
Rabia Kafeel Ahmed Chowdhury, m. Kafeel Ahmed Chowdhury
Al-Haj Mulla Muslim Amiruddin Mohamedi, m. Ameena Mulla Muslim Mohamedi
Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Shameem Mohamedi, m. Tahera Mulla Shameem Mohamedi and Al-Hajja Dr. Rabia Mulla Shameem Mohamedi
Naeema Mulla Alim Nisarali, m. Mulla Alim Dr. Nisarali
Lulu Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi, m. Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi
Sakina Dr. Nisarali, m. Dr. Nisarali bin Mulla Fida Ali
Atiya Mulla Asad Futehally, m. Mulla Asad Futehally
Amena Muqbil Futehally, m. Muqbil Mulla Ahmed Futehally (son of Mulla Ahmed Futehally)
Rafia Baquer Hussain, m. Prof. Mohammed Baquer Hussain
Jameel Ahmed Baquer Hussain
Al-Haj Anis Ahmed Baquer Hussain
Sakina Faiz Abdulali, m. Faiz Najmuddin Abdulali
Sabiha Kamran Latifi, m. Kamran A. Latifi
Mulla Alim Dr. Nisarali, m. Naeema Mulla Alim Nisarali
Lulu Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi, m. Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi
Shireen Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdul Ali
Najmuddin Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdulali, m. Lulu Najmuddin Abdulali
Sakina Ilyas Moizuddin, m. Ilyas Hashim Moizuddin (Son of Mulla Hashim Ali Moizuddin)
Humayun Abdulali, m. Rafia Humayun Abdulali (daughter of Salman Tyabji)
Faiz Najmuddin Abdulali, m. Sakina Faiz Abdulali
Sadia Saad Ali, m. Saad Hassan Ali (son of Hassan Mulla Faizul Hussain Ali)
Shumoon Najmuddin Abdulali
Mehmood Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdul Ali
Mulla Moizuddin Abdulali, m. Akhtarunnisa Abdulali
Mehmood Moizuddin Abdulali
Mohammed Moizuddin Abdulali, m. Salmah Mohammed Abdulali
Hassan Mulla Faizul Hussain Ali, m. Kamrunnisa Hassan Ali (daughter of Moizuddin Jivabhai Abdul Ali)
Sa'ada Dr. Shakir Mohamedi, m. Dr. Shakir Mohamedi (son of Khan Bahadur Dr. Shamsuddin bin Mulla Jeevabhai Mohamedi)
Hussain Mulla Faizul Hussain Ali, m. Qaiser Hussain Ali
Fatima Farid Tyabji, m. Farid Husain Tyabji
Arsalan Farid Tyabji, m. Shareefa Arsalan Tyabji
Qaiser Arsalan Tayabji
Aman Qaiser Tayabji
Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Abdul Hussein Abdul Ali, m. Farhatunnisa Mulla Abdul Hussein, Najmunnisa binte Qadirali Sidhpuri, and Sirajunnisa binte Qadirali Sidhpuri
Safia Ishaq Faizee, m. Mohammed Ishaq Mulla Faizul Hussein Faizee
Al-Haj Rashid Faizee
Habeeb Rashid Faizee
Al-Hajja Sabiha Ziaee, m. Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Muhammad Yakoob bin Hazrat Muhammad Ishak Ziaee
Ameena Mulla Muslim Mohamedi, m. Al-Haj Mulla Muslim Amiruddin Mohamedi (son of Amiruddin bin Mulla Jeevabhai Mohamedi)
Munir Abdul Hussein Ahmedi, m. Rehana Munir Ahmedi
Mulla Naseem Ahmedi
Bashir Munir Ahmedi
Zahir Munir Ahmedi
Munir Ahmedi
Mukhlis Zahir Ahmedi
Moizuddin Jivabhai Abdul Ali, m. Zeenuth Moizuddin Abdul Ali (daughter of Shamsuddin Tyabji)
Faizunnisa Nazar Mohammed Futehally, m. Nazar Mohammed Futehally
Humza Nazar Mohammed Futehally, m. Fatima binte Ghulam Mohammed
^
abLatif, Bilkees I. (2013). The ladder of his life : biography of Air Chief Marshal Idris Hasan Latif, PVSM. New Delhi.
ISBN9789381904855.
OCLC861739673.{{
cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (
link)
^Guha, Ramachandra (2015-05-01).
"Homage to a bird man". Telegraph India. Retrieved 2019-09-30.
While the biographies of living persons policy does not apply directly to the subject of this article, it may contain material that relates to living persons, such as friends and family of persons no longer living, or living persons involved in the subject matter. Unsourced or
poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. If such material is re-inserted repeatedly, or if there are other concerns related to this policy, please see
this noticeboard.
This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following
WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of
India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all
list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the
project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the
discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles
1. Not all notables have wiki pages, serves as a resource for individuals to identify and contribute important information.
2. Allows individuals to identify origins and descendants of notables.
3. Determining who is notable is difficult, given the widespread achievements, hence, the entire tree is best left up.
4. Other family trees on wikipedia have remained up with arguably less notables present including the
/info/en/?search=Taft_family.
Hi
Indianhistorian101. Yes, the Wikipedia policy is generally not to mention people unless they're already subjects of standalone articles, per
WP:WTAF. We're not here to assist people in identifying origins; that's the work of forensic genealogists. It is not that difficult to determine notability, as we have guidelines for that sort of thing. The argument that we leave up a tree with--I'm guessing between three and four hundred names--would mean that we open the gates to countless people of questionable notability being mentioned across the platform. There's a reason we have
WP:NOTINHERITED, to prevent such situations. Finally, the Taft article is problematic for the same reason, and doesn't validate the practice.
WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST is helpful on that count.
A question: how did you come by the extensive family tree? If you're a member of the Tyabji family or in any way associated with it, that does need to be divulged. Your edit history suggests that this is your sole interest, so it's a logical question. Thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing from other experienced editors.
2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (
talk)
20:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Fair enough, was researching the family and found an incomplete and lacking Wiki page, hence, decided to update it. Found the family tree by simply searching up specific members that had already been mentioned on the Wiki.
Along similar lines and
WP:WTAF,
Indianhistorian101, I'd strongly reconsider adding family members whose notability has yet to be established through standalone articles, as you're doing in the body of the article. They may be removed, and adding as many as you have really suggests
WP:COI. We may be reaching a point where it will be necessary to call on other non-involved editors.
2601:19E:4180:6D50:0:0:0:3AA4 (
talk)
22:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Family tree
Mullah Tyab Ali, m. Ameena Tyab Ali
Al-Haj Mulla Najmuddin Tyabji, m. Durrat-ul-Sadaf binte Feyzhyder and Maryam Khatoon Mulla Najmuddin Tyabji
Sakina Zauja-e-Mulla Jivabhai bin Abdul Ali, m. Mulla Jivabhai bin Mulla Abdul Ali Chand Bhai
Mulla Faizul Hussain bin Mulla Jivabhai Abdul Ali, m. Vazirunnisa binte Najmuddin and Zakiya binte Sayyidi Ali Shabaam
Noorunnisa binte Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdul Ali, m. Amiruddin bin Mulla Jeevabhai Mohamedi
Sadia Mulla Asadali Salehbhai, m. Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Asadali bin Mulla Abdul Rashid Salehbhai
Al-Haj Mulla Hamid Asadali Salehbhai
Alia Iqbal Hussain Amiruddin, m. Iqbal Hussain Amiruddin
Ahmareen Shoeb Noorani, m. Mohammed Shoeb Yousuf Noorani
Abdullah Shoeb Noorani
Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Masood Asadali Salehbhai
Mulla Ali Masood Salehbhai
Rabia Kafeel Ahmed Chowdhury, m. Kafeel Ahmed Chowdhury
Al-Haj Mulla Muslim Amiruddin Mohamedi, m. Ameena Mulla Muslim Mohamedi
Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Shameem Mohamedi, m. Tahera Mulla Shameem Mohamedi and Al-Hajja Dr. Rabia Mulla Shameem Mohamedi
Naeema Mulla Alim Nisarali, m. Mulla Alim Dr. Nisarali
Lulu Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi, m. Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi
Sakina Dr. Nisarali, m. Dr. Nisarali bin Mulla Fida Ali
Atiya Mulla Asad Futehally, m. Mulla Asad Futehally
Amena Muqbil Futehally, m. Muqbil Mulla Ahmed Futehally (son of Mulla Ahmed Futehally)
Rafia Baquer Hussain, m. Prof. Mohammed Baquer Hussain
Jameel Ahmed Baquer Hussain
Al-Haj Anis Ahmed Baquer Hussain
Sakina Faiz Abdulali, m. Faiz Najmuddin Abdulali
Sabiha Kamran Latifi, m. Kamran A. Latifi
Mulla Alim Dr. Nisarali, m. Naeema Mulla Alim Nisarali
Lulu Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi, m. Mulla Ahmad Ali Shamsi
Shireen Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdul Ali
Najmuddin Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdulali, m. Lulu Najmuddin Abdulali
Sakina Ilyas Moizuddin, m. Ilyas Hashim Moizuddin (Son of Mulla Hashim Ali Moizuddin)
Humayun Abdulali, m. Rafia Humayun Abdulali (daughter of Salman Tyabji)
Faiz Najmuddin Abdulali, m. Sakina Faiz Abdulali
Sadia Saad Ali, m. Saad Hassan Ali (son of Hassan Mulla Faizul Hussain Ali)
Shumoon Najmuddin Abdulali
Mehmood Mulla Faizul Hussain Abdul Ali
Mulla Moizuddin Abdulali, m. Akhtarunnisa Abdulali
Mehmood Moizuddin Abdulali
Mohammed Moizuddin Abdulali, m. Salmah Mohammed Abdulali
Hassan Mulla Faizul Hussain Ali, m. Kamrunnisa Hassan Ali (daughter of Moizuddin Jivabhai Abdul Ali)
Sa'ada Dr. Shakir Mohamedi, m. Dr. Shakir Mohamedi (son of Khan Bahadur Dr. Shamsuddin bin Mulla Jeevabhai Mohamedi)
Hussain Mulla Faizul Hussain Ali, m. Qaiser Hussain Ali
Fatima Farid Tyabji, m. Farid Husain Tyabji
Arsalan Farid Tyabji, m. Shareefa Arsalan Tyabji
Qaiser Arsalan Tayabji
Aman Qaiser Tayabji
Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Abdul Hussein Abdul Ali, m. Farhatunnisa Mulla Abdul Hussein, Najmunnisa binte Qadirali Sidhpuri, and Sirajunnisa binte Qadirali Sidhpuri
Safia Ishaq Faizee, m. Mohammed Ishaq Mulla Faizul Hussein Faizee
Al-Haj Rashid Faizee
Habeeb Rashid Faizee
Al-Hajja Sabiha Ziaee, m. Al-Haj Mulla Aamil Muhammad Yakoob bin Hazrat Muhammad Ishak Ziaee
Ameena Mulla Muslim Mohamedi, m. Al-Haj Mulla Muslim Amiruddin Mohamedi (son of Amiruddin bin Mulla Jeevabhai Mohamedi)
Munir Abdul Hussein Ahmedi, m. Rehana Munir Ahmedi
Mulla Naseem Ahmedi
Bashir Munir Ahmedi
Zahir Munir Ahmedi
Munir Ahmedi
Mukhlis Zahir Ahmedi
Moizuddin Jivabhai Abdul Ali, m. Zeenuth Moizuddin Abdul Ali (daughter of Shamsuddin Tyabji)
Faizunnisa Nazar Mohammed Futehally, m. Nazar Mohammed Futehally
Humza Nazar Mohammed Futehally, m. Fatima binte Ghulam Mohammed
^
abLatif, Bilkees I. (2013). The ladder of his life : biography of Air Chief Marshal Idris Hasan Latif, PVSM. New Delhi.
ISBN9789381904855.
OCLC861739673.{{
cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (
link)
^Guha, Ramachandra (2015-05-01).
"Homage to a bird man". Telegraph India. Retrieved 2019-09-30.