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The writing credits on my CDs seem to have the opposite to what is written on the Wikipedia page. Which is correct? Wiki or the CDs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.47.254 ( talk) 23:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad to say that the article is nicely written, well referenced and is broad in coverage, passing the GA criteria. I have made a little copyedit and added a source which was probably needed. I removed the note about Madonna having ten number ones as there is no source covering it, and I can't find a source that says this. Fell free to add it back if you can find a source.
Otherwise, the article is good and difficult to fault. Thanks to everyone who contributed. Merry Christmas :) RaNdOm26 ( talk) 12:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article does not meet the GA criteria. The original review was shoddy in the first place. This article is not only skinny, but it is not fully sourced (breaks #2, 2 Hearts#Release history, 2 Hearts#Track listings, 2 Hearts#Live performances, 2 Hearts#Background and release). I Help, When I Can. [12] 00:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Since the sound file, File:Kylie - 2 hearts.ogg, has been removed by one editor citing WP:NFC, without saying how this image specifically violates it, I am starting a discussion here so that the image is not deleted simply for being orphaned.
The current consensus for sound files are that they are acceptable for use in single/song articles as long as they are small samples of the song. Aspects ( talk) 18:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:30, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
2 Hearts → 2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song) – WP:Naming conventions (music): 2 Hearts (Toto song) Two Hearts (Phil Collins song) Two Hearts (Stephanie Mills song). In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:19, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator. I will use WP:RFC instead due to the escalated situation. Commenters will be notified. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
2 Hearts (2007 song) →
2 Hearts (Kish Mauve song) – A few days ago, I moved the page from
2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song) to
2 Hearts (Kish Mauve song) because the song is a cover version as Kish Mauve published the song in 2005 (
Kish Mauve (EP)). @
KHBritish: moved the page according to a misunderstanding of
WP:NCM (I cite their rationale: "If the lyricist(s) and/or the composer(s) are not well-recognized, or [...] notable performers that have covered it are better known than the original recording artist, the year of publication will be used".) But completely forgot the first clause: "If there is no defined performer of an old song (over 50 years)", so the move is incorrect, not only because it is not a pre-1969 song, but also because it is neither a 2007 song. So I request the move back to "(Kish Mauve song) per
WP:NCM.
©
Tbhotch
™ (
en-2.5). 02:30, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
"Two Hearts" is a song recorded by British electronic duo Kish Mauve written for their 2005 self-titled extended play, and it was released by Sunday Best.is extremely confusing. It fails to set the tone for what the article is going to be about (see MOS:INTRO and MOS:LEADREL). It gives a great deal of prominence to what is ultimately a fairly trivial aspect of the song.
Only cover versions/renditions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles(emphasis mine). That said, I think it's correct to mention the Kish Mauve version somewhere in the body of the article. e.g. "the song was written and produced by London duo Kish Mauve, who released an earlier version of the song on their 2005 self-titled EP". Dindon~enwiki ( talk) 01:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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Should the article include/mention/be named after the original release of the song? If so, what should it be its name? © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Pretty much #Requested move 28 January 2019 gives the whole picture, but I'll try to resume the situation here. The song "Two Hearts" was written by Kish Mauve for a release of theirs in 2005 ( Kish Mauve (EP)). At the time, the band was kind of obscure but nowadays it satisfies WP:NBAND. Two years later, the band offered the song to Australian singer Kylie Minogue. She recorded it, she/ Parlophone Records changed the name of the song to "2 Hearts", and it was released as single in 2007. The song gained international popularity. We have to note that at the time all of this happened this article was located at 2 Hearts (without disambiguation), which was added until 2014, through a RM. The disambiguation added was "(Kylie Minogue song)". Note that at the time of the RM the article was written like this [1]. It is barely mentioned about being a cover as "The song is a cover version of a track originally recorded by Kish Mauve" on the lead, not in the first paragraph, but in the second.
A few days ago, I read somewhere that the song is not by Minogue but by Mauve. Per WP:SONGDAB ("Use the name of the performer who first published the song and not a cover artist name"), and previous consensus through multiple articles I had seen (including but not limited to) All I Ever Wanted (Aranda song), Friday Night (Lady Antebellum song) and Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song) I decided to WP:BOLDLY move the page and made a few modifications to avoid confusion about "why is this titled 'Kish Mauve'?", not expecting the heat level of opposition from Subtropical-man above. KHBritish moved the song from (Kish Mauve song) to (2007 song) due to a misunderstanding (explained above). Then I opened a new RM to return it to (Kish Mauve song). The discussion was going normally until Subtropical-man started to take it personally and after this comment I decided that RM wouldn't be enough for this situation. Because of this I closed the RM and opened this RFC. I have thought about multiple situations which will be listed below (additional options are welcomed). © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
This ping is for the users involved above. In no way, they are forced to participate. The notification is for courtesy. @ PC78:, @ Subtropical-man:, @ KHBritish:, @ Sergecross73:, @ Dindon~enwiki:
As my own note for @ Subtropical-man:. Due to the behaivor above, as well as in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kish Mauve (EP), before participating consider reading WP:NPA and WP:AGF. Having freedom of speech is not equal to freedom of consequences. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
The article will mention the little existing information about Kish Mauve original version. An example of the free online information available about the original song can be seen in this draft I did a few days ago. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
It was mentioned above, by two users, that a mere short mention of the band is enough. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Following WP:SONGDAB's recommendation of "Use the name of the performer who first published the song", as well as per the multiple examples mentioned in the RM above. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
If there is no defined performer of an old song (over 50 years), the lyricist(s) and/or the composer(s) are not well-recognized, or multiple notable performers that have covered it are better known than the original recording artist, the year of publication will be used- I'm not sure why that clause I bolded would be there if the author(s) weren't thinking that, if a single notable performer did a well-known cover of a song whose original performer/rendition was not notable, the notable performer's name would be used to disambiguate. Anyways, I still think it's possible to decide this case in favour of the "(Kylie Minogue)" title without first trying to change WP:SONGDAB, if only by the rule of ignore all rules. (But also because of competing interpretations of rules like WP:COVERSONG which I cite below) Colin M ( talk) 23:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
"Two Hearts" is a song recorded by British electronic duo Kish Mauve written for their 2005 self-titled extended play, and it was released by Sunday Best.is extremely confusing. It fails to set the tone for what the article is going to be about (see MOS:INTRO and MOS:LEADREL). It gives a great deal of prominence to what is ultimately a fairly trivial aspect of the song. I think a case for opposing this could also be made based on WP:COVERSONG, which says
Only cover versions/renditions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles(emphasis mine). Kish Mauve's rendition of the song is not notable. (If anyone agrees with this logic, but disagrees with my claim that the Kish Mauve rendition is not notable, I'd be happy to discuss that point in more detail.) Dindon~enwiki ( talk) 21:20, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
"2 Hearts" is a song orginally written and recorded by British electronic duo Kish Mauve and later re-recorded by Australian singer Kylie Minogue for her tenth studio album, X (2007).would seem more appropriate and far less confusing. PC78 ( talk) 00:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
The song was originally published as "Two Hearts" in 2005. Because of this, should the page be named as such? © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
In other words, to keep the Kish Mauve mentions limited and the article titled as " 2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song)". © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Can this be similar to 4 Minutes versus Four Minutes and keep it without disambiguation as it was before 2014?
Why you add only options of "no more than a line" and "whole section" (your draft) for data about Kish Mauve. Why there is no option "One-two sentences in contents of article"? Your option "no more than a line" is too very restrictive. Also, your description of "It was mentioned above, by two users, that a mere mention of the band in one line is enough to give context" is not true. Two users wrote nothing about one line. Please change your text to "short mention" or similar. Subtropical-man ( ✉ | en-2) 21:17, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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The writing credits on my CDs seem to have the opposite to what is written on the Wikipedia page. Which is correct? Wiki or the CDs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.47.254 ( talk) 23:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad to say that the article is nicely written, well referenced and is broad in coverage, passing the GA criteria. I have made a little copyedit and added a source which was probably needed. I removed the note about Madonna having ten number ones as there is no source covering it, and I can't find a source that says this. Fell free to add it back if you can find a source.
Otherwise, the article is good and difficult to fault. Thanks to everyone who contributed. Merry Christmas :) RaNdOm26 ( talk) 12:01, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article does not meet the GA criteria. The original review was shoddy in the first place. This article is not only skinny, but it is not fully sourced (breaks #2, 2 Hearts#Release history, 2 Hearts#Track listings, 2 Hearts#Live performances, 2 Hearts#Background and release). I Help, When I Can. [12] 00:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Since the sound file, File:Kylie - 2 hearts.ogg, has been removed by one editor citing WP:NFC, without saying how this image specifically violates it, I am starting a discussion here so that the image is not deleted simply for being orphaned.
The current consensus for sound files are that they are acceptable for use in single/song articles as long as they are small samples of the song. Aspects ( talk) 18:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 01:30, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
2 Hearts → 2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song) – WP:Naming conventions (music): 2 Hearts (Toto song) Two Hearts (Phil Collins song) Two Hearts (Stephanie Mills song). In ictu oculi ( talk) 00:19, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator. I will use WP:RFC instead due to the escalated situation. Commenters will be notified. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
2 Hearts (2007 song) →
2 Hearts (Kish Mauve song) – A few days ago, I moved the page from
2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song) to
2 Hearts (Kish Mauve song) because the song is a cover version as Kish Mauve published the song in 2005 (
Kish Mauve (EP)). @
KHBritish: moved the page according to a misunderstanding of
WP:NCM (I cite their rationale: "If the lyricist(s) and/or the composer(s) are not well-recognized, or [...] notable performers that have covered it are better known than the original recording artist, the year of publication will be used".) But completely forgot the first clause: "If there is no defined performer of an old song (over 50 years)", so the move is incorrect, not only because it is not a pre-1969 song, but also because it is neither a 2007 song. So I request the move back to "(Kish Mauve song) per
WP:NCM.
©
Tbhotch
™ (
en-2.5). 02:30, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
"Two Hearts" is a song recorded by British electronic duo Kish Mauve written for their 2005 self-titled extended play, and it was released by Sunday Best.is extremely confusing. It fails to set the tone for what the article is going to be about (see MOS:INTRO and MOS:LEADREL). It gives a great deal of prominence to what is ultimately a fairly trivial aspect of the song.
Only cover versions/renditions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles(emphasis mine). That said, I think it's correct to mention the Kish Mauve version somewhere in the body of the article. e.g. "the song was written and produced by London duo Kish Mauve, who released an earlier version of the song on their 2005 self-titled EP". Dindon~enwiki ( talk) 01:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the article include/mention/be named after the original release of the song? If so, what should it be its name? © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Pretty much #Requested move 28 January 2019 gives the whole picture, but I'll try to resume the situation here. The song "Two Hearts" was written by Kish Mauve for a release of theirs in 2005 ( Kish Mauve (EP)). At the time, the band was kind of obscure but nowadays it satisfies WP:NBAND. Two years later, the band offered the song to Australian singer Kylie Minogue. She recorded it, she/ Parlophone Records changed the name of the song to "2 Hearts", and it was released as single in 2007. The song gained international popularity. We have to note that at the time all of this happened this article was located at 2 Hearts (without disambiguation), which was added until 2014, through a RM. The disambiguation added was "(Kylie Minogue song)". Note that at the time of the RM the article was written like this [1]. It is barely mentioned about being a cover as "The song is a cover version of a track originally recorded by Kish Mauve" on the lead, not in the first paragraph, but in the second.
A few days ago, I read somewhere that the song is not by Minogue but by Mauve. Per WP:SONGDAB ("Use the name of the performer who first published the song and not a cover artist name"), and previous consensus through multiple articles I had seen (including but not limited to) All I Ever Wanted (Aranda song), Friday Night (Lady Antebellum song) and Run Run Run (Tokio Hotel song) I decided to WP:BOLDLY move the page and made a few modifications to avoid confusion about "why is this titled 'Kish Mauve'?", not expecting the heat level of opposition from Subtropical-man above. KHBritish moved the song from (Kish Mauve song) to (2007 song) due to a misunderstanding (explained above). Then I opened a new RM to return it to (Kish Mauve song). The discussion was going normally until Subtropical-man started to take it personally and after this comment I decided that RM wouldn't be enough for this situation. Because of this I closed the RM and opened this RFC. I have thought about multiple situations which will be listed below (additional options are welcomed). © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
This ping is for the users involved above. In no way, they are forced to participate. The notification is for courtesy. @ PC78:, @ Subtropical-man:, @ KHBritish:, @ Sergecross73:, @ Dindon~enwiki:
As my own note for @ Subtropical-man:. Due to the behaivor above, as well as in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kish Mauve (EP), before participating consider reading WP:NPA and WP:AGF. Having freedom of speech is not equal to freedom of consequences. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
The article will mention the little existing information about Kish Mauve original version. An example of the free online information available about the original song can be seen in this draft I did a few days ago. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
It was mentioned above, by two users, that a mere short mention of the band is enough. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Following WP:SONGDAB's recommendation of "Use the name of the performer who first published the song", as well as per the multiple examples mentioned in the RM above. © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
If there is no defined performer of an old song (over 50 years), the lyricist(s) and/or the composer(s) are not well-recognized, or multiple notable performers that have covered it are better known than the original recording artist, the year of publication will be used- I'm not sure why that clause I bolded would be there if the author(s) weren't thinking that, if a single notable performer did a well-known cover of a song whose original performer/rendition was not notable, the notable performer's name would be used to disambiguate. Anyways, I still think it's possible to decide this case in favour of the "(Kylie Minogue)" title without first trying to change WP:SONGDAB, if only by the rule of ignore all rules. (But also because of competing interpretations of rules like WP:COVERSONG which I cite below) Colin M ( talk) 23:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
"Two Hearts" is a song recorded by British electronic duo Kish Mauve written for their 2005 self-titled extended play, and it was released by Sunday Best.is extremely confusing. It fails to set the tone for what the article is going to be about (see MOS:INTRO and MOS:LEADREL). It gives a great deal of prominence to what is ultimately a fairly trivial aspect of the song. I think a case for opposing this could also be made based on WP:COVERSONG, which says
Only cover versions/renditions important enough to have gained attention in their own right should be added to song articles(emphasis mine). Kish Mauve's rendition of the song is not notable. (If anyone agrees with this logic, but disagrees with my claim that the Kish Mauve rendition is not notable, I'd be happy to discuss that point in more detail.) Dindon~enwiki ( talk) 21:20, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
"2 Hearts" is a song orginally written and recorded by British electronic duo Kish Mauve and later re-recorded by Australian singer Kylie Minogue for her tenth studio album, X (2007).would seem more appropriate and far less confusing. PC78 ( talk) 00:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
The song was originally published as "Two Hearts" in 2005. Because of this, should the page be named as such? © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
In other words, to keep the Kish Mauve mentions limited and the article titled as " 2 Hearts (Kylie Minogue song)". © Tbhotch ™ ( en-2.5). 20:05, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Can this be similar to 4 Minutes versus Four Minutes and keep it without disambiguation as it was before 2014?
Why you add only options of "no more than a line" and "whole section" (your draft) for data about Kish Mauve. Why there is no option "One-two sentences in contents of article"? Your option "no more than a line" is too very restrictive. Also, your description of "It was mentioned above, by two users, that a mere mention of the band in one line is enough to give context" is not true. Two users wrote nothing about one line. Please change your text to "short mention" or similar. Subtropical-man ( ✉ | en-2) 21:17, 30 January 2019 (UTC)