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http://www.novinite.com/articles/154029/Bosnia+Snubs+Eurovision,+Joins+Turkvision Xinxaa ( talk) 07:46, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
I went over to WP:ENG and it says that "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". So far, our main sources Eurovoix and Turkvision.info both call this the "Turkvision Song Contest" and not "Türkvizyon". Should the page be moved there instead? Mr. Gerbear| Talk 18:53, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
China does not use flags to represent national subdivisions. Per the national constitution, it is forbidden for provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities to create and use their own flag. Using unofficial flags to represent Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang constitutes original research. -- benlisquare T• C• E 03:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
To further clarify. This is not a WP:NPOV issue involving a POV source. The source itself is from the official website, thus making it reliable which is one of the core policies for Wikipedia,and therefore a source is not POV. To accuse the fact that I reverted the article back to the version which is based on the reliable source, does not constitute WP:POVFORK. However, the fact that Benlisquare keeps reverting the article to their own version based on what they say is "a national constitutional law" makes their actions extremely WP:POVFORK. What we do have here is one editor pushing their POV based on a "national constitution, that forbids provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities to create and use their own flag". Whilst we have reliable sources which show regional flags being used. As we're to maintain a neutral perspective within an article, whilst sticking to what is verifiable by reliable sources, then ultimately the official sources (which show different flags) out-trump the POV that is being pushed forward. As there are also no conventions or policies within Wikipedia that explicitly state regional flags of China are forbidden within articles, then the current version that uses such flags takes presidency. Wes Mᴥuse 04:46, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Do you not see the POV issues involved with using flags associated with political organizations to represent subdivisions? If a source used a swastika flag for Germany, and the Black Banner of Jihad for Afghanistan, would that be acceptable too? This no longer has anything to do with Chinese law, stop bringing that up as an ad hominem against me with the intention of accusing me of pushing a partisan POV. Do you even read the policy pages that you keep linking me?
The Turkvizyon Song Contest article should follow Turkvizyon’s classification and flag representation of its contestants. If there are reliable sources criticizing this classification and representation, or news reports of such criticism, by all means include cited criticism in the article. See, for example, the flag controversy in
South_Carolina#20th_century_and_beyond.
I don’t see how
WP:POVFORK applies. Is there another article on the Turkvizyon Song Contest advocating a different POV that this article was spun off from?--
Wikimedes (
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23:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
There are no sources that say all these territories that have not participated, or attempted to participate, are eligible to enter Türkvizyon. It's against WP:CRYSTAL and WP:ORIG to assume that they are, in the first place. Unless others can show me specific guidelines for what regions can participate, I shall take all the unreferenced countries off the table.
Besides, standards should reflect the article on the Eurovision Song Contest, at least. The participation table does not list countries who have never participated, nor countries that are eligible, even if the EBU has a much stricter standard for inclusion. If "has a considerable Turkic population" is TRT's rule, this could mean literally all of Europe, and the United States and Canada, at least. Mr. Gerbear| Talk 08:16, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
An IP keeps adding content about Sakhalin Oblast making their début in the contest without providing a source to verify this addition. I have searched the internet and cannot find anything to verify that this Oblast will be making a début, just in case the IP wasn't aware of how to add citation. Now they keep war-reverting, and vandalising this article. The IP has been reported to WP:AIV and the article semi-protection requested. Please could editors keep an eye out on this article and/or on the ineternet to see if any news does become published about a new region taking part. Thank you. Wes Mouse | T@lk 12:24, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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http://www.novinite.com/articles/154029/Bosnia+Snubs+Eurovision,+Joins+Turkvision Xinxaa ( talk) 07:46, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
I went over to WP:ENG and it says that "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources". So far, our main sources Eurovoix and Turkvision.info both call this the "Turkvision Song Contest" and not "Türkvizyon". Should the page be moved there instead? Mr. Gerbear| Talk 18:53, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
China does not use flags to represent national subdivisions. Per the national constitution, it is forbidden for provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities to create and use their own flag. Using unofficial flags to represent Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang constitutes original research. -- benlisquare T• C• E 03:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
To further clarify. This is not a WP:NPOV issue involving a POV source. The source itself is from the official website, thus making it reliable which is one of the core policies for Wikipedia,and therefore a source is not POV. To accuse the fact that I reverted the article back to the version which is based on the reliable source, does not constitute WP:POVFORK. However, the fact that Benlisquare keeps reverting the article to their own version based on what they say is "a national constitutional law" makes their actions extremely WP:POVFORK. What we do have here is one editor pushing their POV based on a "national constitution, that forbids provinces, autonomous regions and municipalities to create and use their own flag". Whilst we have reliable sources which show regional flags being used. As we're to maintain a neutral perspective within an article, whilst sticking to what is verifiable by reliable sources, then ultimately the official sources (which show different flags) out-trump the POV that is being pushed forward. As there are also no conventions or policies within Wikipedia that explicitly state regional flags of China are forbidden within articles, then the current version that uses such flags takes presidency. Wes Mᴥuse 04:46, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Do you not see the POV issues involved with using flags associated with political organizations to represent subdivisions? If a source used a swastika flag for Germany, and the Black Banner of Jihad for Afghanistan, would that be acceptable too? This no longer has anything to do with Chinese law, stop bringing that up as an ad hominem against me with the intention of accusing me of pushing a partisan POV. Do you even read the policy pages that you keep linking me?
The Turkvizyon Song Contest article should follow Turkvizyon’s classification and flag representation of its contestants. If there are reliable sources criticizing this classification and representation, or news reports of such criticism, by all means include cited criticism in the article. See, for example, the flag controversy in
South_Carolina#20th_century_and_beyond.
I don’t see how
WP:POVFORK applies. Is there another article on the Turkvizyon Song Contest advocating a different POV that this article was spun off from?--
Wikimedes (
talk)
23:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
There are no sources that say all these territories that have not participated, or attempted to participate, are eligible to enter Türkvizyon. It's against WP:CRYSTAL and WP:ORIG to assume that they are, in the first place. Unless others can show me specific guidelines for what regions can participate, I shall take all the unreferenced countries off the table.
Besides, standards should reflect the article on the Eurovision Song Contest, at least. The participation table does not list countries who have never participated, nor countries that are eligible, even if the EBU has a much stricter standard for inclusion. If "has a considerable Turkic population" is TRT's rule, this could mean literally all of Europe, and the United States and Canada, at least. Mr. Gerbear| Talk 08:16, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
An IP keeps adding content about Sakhalin Oblast making their début in the contest without providing a source to verify this addition. I have searched the internet and cannot find anything to verify that this Oblast will be making a début, just in case the IP wasn't aware of how to add citation. Now they keep war-reverting, and vandalising this article. The IP has been reported to WP:AIV and the article semi-protection requested. Please could editors keep an eye out on this article and/or on the ineternet to see if any news does become published about a new region taking part. Thank you. Wes Mouse | T@lk 12:24, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
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