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About History: Why should Turku be named Turku before it was officially named Turku, During the Swedish reign it should be named Åbo I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.0.70 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking, that there should be some mentioning about the nature of Turku sub-region in text. Because it is so different from other Finland when Turku shares very small area with its close neighbors. Even Tampere is considered as larger city, Turku actually has more people within same reach from the center, because the major population in neighboring cities are living about under 10km reach from city center and that makes lot more than in Tampere. I think this is important note!-- jertique I 00:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Another note! On Helsinki's wikipedia page unlike Turku's wikipedia page is population of Urban and Metro taken as population of "The Capital Region" and population of "Helsinki Region" therefore also Turku's wikipedia page should be edited in such way, meaning that urban area is same as "Turun kaupunkiseutu" cityregion and Metro area is same as "Turku Region". It cannot be correct in the way it is now! And there is another confusion between articles. In which thing is sub-region refering to? Is it Urban Region or more like Metro area? E.g. on the page of Turku and one of Raisio sub-region names are typed differently, why? -- jertique I ( talk) 13:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Åbo Underrättelser, published in Turku, is one of Finland's two major Swedish-language newspapers (together with the Helsinki-based Hufvudstadsbladet).
This seems like a bit of an overstatement. ÅU has a circulation of 7,037. Vasabladet (25,225), Ålandstidningen (10,542), Jakobstads Tidning (12,137), Västra Nyland (10,851), Borgåbladet (8,282) and Nya Åland (7,234) all have higher circulation than ÅU. The newspaper does deserve inclusion in the article for another reason, though: it's the oldest newspaper in Finland. I'm altering the sentence in question accordingly. NordicStorm 17:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know Turku was the capital of Finland only from 1809 to 1812. Before it was indeed the most important city, but that alone doesn't make it the capital. - 84.169.106.66 16:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
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Why is there nothing here about Conan O'Brien and the video they sent to invinte him into finland due to it's resemblance to Tarja Halonen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.0.158 ( talk) 23:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I have read the article but I could not find the origin of the name Turku! Where does the name Turku come from? Does it have any historical affiliation with Turks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.232.35.51 ( talk) 17:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
There are about as many "accepted" etymologies for "Turku" as there are linguists who have taken an interest in the matter. To mention any one of them without mentioning them all would not be proper. Also, the statement of "maailman turuilla" meaning "at the forums/marketplaces of the world" is highly disputable. 213.138.152.225 ( talk) 11:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to hear comments on the pronunciation of Åbo. It sounds to me very strange, very Danish. Samulili 22:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
/o:bu:/ -- nlitement [talk] 13:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
You mean the audio file in the article? The pronounciation is flawless, it's just that it sounds a bit Riksvensk, i.e. as if the speaker were Swedish. -Juhoi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 ( talk) 22:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
An anon user removed the January temperature in Turku of -25°C with a rather unhelpful comment "Absolutely wrong." Now, is this supposed to be an average or extreme temperature? As an average, it is very much wrong, I agree. But as an extreme, I am sure it does happen, possibly even colder temperatures once in a while. JIP | Talk 17:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the motto "Turku - Meri-Suomen keskus (Turku - the center of Sea-Finland)" [1]. I've been around for a while but I have never heard it, nor has Google. In general, mottos are very rare in Finland. Samulili 15:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
"Turku vs. Tampere"-joking, community activities of Tampere University or Tampere's traditional food does not belong in Turku Wikipedia pages. If you wanna advertise this stupidity for some reasons, do it there where it belongs, on Tampere's article or in an article of its own. As citizen of Turku I can assure that "Turku vs. Tampere"-joking is very one sided and Turku is passive side of this "rivalry". "Turku vs. Helsinki" is completely different story in which both sides are active but even then it is not Wikipedia material. Turku is the oldest city of Finland not comedy central. -- jertique I ( talk) 17:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Turku's beginning is not clear. Is very wrong to claim any date for foundation, because there is no proof of any kind of foundation order. All glues are tied to the earlies existing religious documents related to Turku, even the sea port of Turku has existed longer and can be found in same documents of Al Idrisi, 1154 than city of Tallin which has specified its own age according that document. Age of Turku isn't fully confirmed until the first village using river Aura and its mouth as a sea port has been discovered. Most likely Turku is at least 854 years old city like Tallin is. -- jertique I ( talk) 17:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Football is not, repeat, IS NOT the most popular sports in Turku, ice hockey is. TPS (ice hockey) had an average number of spectators around 6400 ( 6441 to be exact in 2007), and TuTo's average is around 1500. In SM-liiga they play 28 home matches and in Mestis 23 home matches. Overall, ice hockey has over 395 000 spectators per year. In Veikkausliiga (football) all teams play 13 home matches, so local clubs play 26 home matches in total. The capacity of Kupittaa football stadion is 9 000 people, so even if both of the clubs played each match to full audience, there wouldn't be more than 234 000 people. And they don't. In short: ice hockey has almost four times as much audience than football in Turku, so please do not vandalize this article with your "football is the most popular sports in Turku" disinformation and false claims. Thank you! 194.157.193.247 ( talk) 16:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
-Not a Turku resident myself, but I too find the statement of football being more popular strange to say the least. Can someone point to any kind of credible source? I know hockey is a huge deal to a lot of Finns, myself excluded, and find it hard to believe that Turku-dwellers could actually have developed such a fine taste in sports. I don't know if stadium capacities or a growing interest have anything to do with it though. 23 sept. 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 ( talk) 23:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I am presently expanding this page which has been nominated for deletion. I should be grateful if any Finnish-reading editors could have a look for sources in Finnish, please? TerriersFan ( talk) 18:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Could someone fix the climate table by adding record low temperatures for all months? For some reason, if the table is missing a measurement, it creates a very ugly-looking error message. I'd do it myself but I don't have the necessary information about the temperatures. JIP | Talk 19:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
it's still there, and indeed it is very ugly.. this needs fixing
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IP 210.11.147.24 claims that there is "no uncertainty about when [Turku] was founded" (see edit comment of 2009-08-16). The reference talks about archeological diggings near the church and says that they seem to confirme ("antaa vahvistusta") the belief/estimate ("arvio") that Turku was founded at that time. I think this is evindence that there certainly is uncertainty about the matter. Is there some other source that nows the age of the town for sure? -- LPfi ( talk) 17:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know, but from Eric Christiansen's The Northern Crusades it appears the town was known pretty consistently as Åbo during the Middle Ages. See:
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In the first sentence of the article: "formerly in Russian: Турку"- That is of course not correct. In Russian the present name is Турку. Formerly (before the Russian revolution - or even later) most places in Finland were called by their Swedish names in Russian. Before 1926 Helsinki was called Гельсингфорс (Helsingfors) etc. So there should be "formerly in Russian Або". -- Andhanq ( talk) 11:21, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
The publicaton Servet-i Fünun has an image of the Muslim community in Turku during World War I (using the Swedish name "Abo") https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/663/PFSIF9180829A049%20(1918-08-29).jpg
I'm wondering if the paper wrote about it, but most of its content is in Ottoman Turkish, and that is something Turkish academics would need to read WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:45, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
From the "Notable people" section:
Are they really notable? Should they be kept in the list of removed? JIP | Talk 21:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
"Turku's canteen and café culture has often been compared to French food culture, which is why Turku has also been perceived as the "Paris of Finland"" - this seems to reflect a communication point by commercial structures (e.g. a commercial advertisement page for Paulig "parisian" coffee brand, and Turku's official tourist page, cited as a references), not any cultural reality. If there are no proper references, I don't think Wikipedia should be relaying commercials as facts. Besides, there actually is no special food/café culture in Turku to speak of, compared to other large Finnish cities. 2001:999:60C:81F7:10:2030:4050:2 ( talk) 16:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The infobox incorrectly states that the population density of the Turku urban area is 9,993/km2 which is totally false. If that was true it would mean that Turku has a much higher urban population density than for example Paris (3,800/km2) or Los Angeles (2,886.6/km2) which of course is not true. According to Finnish Wikipedia the right urban density of Turku is 993/km2. When I try to edit it some idiot canceled my edit. So could someone please fix it. Turku urban area is not as densely populated as Delhi for crying out loud. Talk 15:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.115.83.233 ( talk)
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About History: Why should Turku be named Turku before it was officially named Turku, During the Swedish reign it should be named Åbo I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.0.70 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking, that there should be some mentioning about the nature of Turku sub-region in text. Because it is so different from other Finland when Turku shares very small area with its close neighbors. Even Tampere is considered as larger city, Turku actually has more people within same reach from the center, because the major population in neighboring cities are living about under 10km reach from city center and that makes lot more than in Tampere. I think this is important note!-- jertique I 00:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Another note! On Helsinki's wikipedia page unlike Turku's wikipedia page is population of Urban and Metro taken as population of "The Capital Region" and population of "Helsinki Region" therefore also Turku's wikipedia page should be edited in such way, meaning that urban area is same as "Turun kaupunkiseutu" cityregion and Metro area is same as "Turku Region". It cannot be correct in the way it is now! And there is another confusion between articles. In which thing is sub-region refering to? Is it Urban Region or more like Metro area? E.g. on the page of Turku and one of Raisio sub-region names are typed differently, why? -- jertique I ( talk) 13:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Åbo Underrättelser, published in Turku, is one of Finland's two major Swedish-language newspapers (together with the Helsinki-based Hufvudstadsbladet).
This seems like a bit of an overstatement. ÅU has a circulation of 7,037. Vasabladet (25,225), Ålandstidningen (10,542), Jakobstads Tidning (12,137), Västra Nyland (10,851), Borgåbladet (8,282) and Nya Åland (7,234) all have higher circulation than ÅU. The newspaper does deserve inclusion in the article for another reason, though: it's the oldest newspaper in Finland. I'm altering the sentence in question accordingly. NordicStorm 17:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know Turku was the capital of Finland only from 1809 to 1812. Before it was indeed the most important city, but that alone doesn't make it the capital. - 84.169.106.66 16:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey,
Why is there nothing here about Conan O'Brien and the video they sent to invinte him into finland due to it's resemblance to Tarja Halonen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.0.158 ( talk) 23:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I have read the article but I could not find the origin of the name Turku! Where does the name Turku come from? Does it have any historical affiliation with Turks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.232.35.51 ( talk) 17:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
There are about as many "accepted" etymologies for "Turku" as there are linguists who have taken an interest in the matter. To mention any one of them without mentioning them all would not be proper. Also, the statement of "maailman turuilla" meaning "at the forums/marketplaces of the world" is highly disputable. 213.138.152.225 ( talk) 11:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to hear comments on the pronunciation of Åbo. It sounds to me very strange, very Danish. Samulili 22:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
/o:bu:/ -- nlitement [talk] 13:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
You mean the audio file in the article? The pronounciation is flawless, it's just that it sounds a bit Riksvensk, i.e. as if the speaker were Swedish. -Juhoi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 ( talk) 22:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
An anon user removed the January temperature in Turku of -25°C with a rather unhelpful comment "Absolutely wrong." Now, is this supposed to be an average or extreme temperature? As an average, it is very much wrong, I agree. But as an extreme, I am sure it does happen, possibly even colder temperatures once in a while. JIP | Talk 17:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed the motto "Turku - Meri-Suomen keskus (Turku - the center of Sea-Finland)" [1]. I've been around for a while but I have never heard it, nor has Google. In general, mottos are very rare in Finland. Samulili 15:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
"Turku vs. Tampere"-joking, community activities of Tampere University or Tampere's traditional food does not belong in Turku Wikipedia pages. If you wanna advertise this stupidity for some reasons, do it there where it belongs, on Tampere's article or in an article of its own. As citizen of Turku I can assure that "Turku vs. Tampere"-joking is very one sided and Turku is passive side of this "rivalry". "Turku vs. Helsinki" is completely different story in which both sides are active but even then it is not Wikipedia material. Turku is the oldest city of Finland not comedy central. -- jertique I ( talk) 17:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Turku's beginning is not clear. Is very wrong to claim any date for foundation, because there is no proof of any kind of foundation order. All glues are tied to the earlies existing religious documents related to Turku, even the sea port of Turku has existed longer and can be found in same documents of Al Idrisi, 1154 than city of Tallin which has specified its own age according that document. Age of Turku isn't fully confirmed until the first village using river Aura and its mouth as a sea port has been discovered. Most likely Turku is at least 854 years old city like Tallin is. -- jertique I ( talk) 17:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Football is not, repeat, IS NOT the most popular sports in Turku, ice hockey is. TPS (ice hockey) had an average number of spectators around 6400 ( 6441 to be exact in 2007), and TuTo's average is around 1500. In SM-liiga they play 28 home matches and in Mestis 23 home matches. Overall, ice hockey has over 395 000 spectators per year. In Veikkausliiga (football) all teams play 13 home matches, so local clubs play 26 home matches in total. The capacity of Kupittaa football stadion is 9 000 people, so even if both of the clubs played each match to full audience, there wouldn't be more than 234 000 people. And they don't. In short: ice hockey has almost four times as much audience than football in Turku, so please do not vandalize this article with your "football is the most popular sports in Turku" disinformation and false claims. Thank you! 194.157.193.247 ( talk) 16:42, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
-Not a Turku resident myself, but I too find the statement of football being more popular strange to say the least. Can someone point to any kind of credible source? I know hockey is a huge deal to a lot of Finns, myself excluded, and find it hard to believe that Turku-dwellers could actually have developed such a fine taste in sports. I don't know if stadium capacities or a growing interest have anything to do with it though. 23 sept. 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.150.152 ( talk) 23:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I am presently expanding this page which has been nominated for deletion. I should be grateful if any Finnish-reading editors could have a look for sources in Finnish, please? TerriersFan ( talk) 18:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Could someone fix the climate table by adding record low temperatures for all months? For some reason, if the table is missing a measurement, it creates a very ugly-looking error message. I'd do it myself but I don't have the necessary information about the temperatures. JIP | Talk 19:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
it's still there, and indeed it is very ugly.. this needs fixing
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IP 210.11.147.24 claims that there is "no uncertainty about when [Turku] was founded" (see edit comment of 2009-08-16). The reference talks about archeological diggings near the church and says that they seem to confirme ("antaa vahvistusta") the belief/estimate ("arvio") that Turku was founded at that time. I think this is evindence that there certainly is uncertainty about the matter. Is there some other source that nows the age of the town for sure? -- LPfi ( talk) 17:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know, but from Eric Christiansen's The Northern Crusades it appears the town was known pretty consistently as Åbo during the Middle Ages. See:
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In the first sentence of the article: "formerly in Russian: Турку"- That is of course not correct. In Russian the present name is Турку. Formerly (before the Russian revolution - or even later) most places in Finland were called by their Swedish names in Russian. Before 1926 Helsinki was called Гельсингфорс (Helsingfors) etc. So there should be "formerly in Russian Або". -- Andhanq ( talk) 11:21, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
The publicaton Servet-i Fünun has an image of the Muslim community in Turku during World War I (using the Swedish name "Abo") https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/663/PFSIF9180829A049%20(1918-08-29).jpg
I'm wondering if the paper wrote about it, but most of its content is in Ottoman Turkish, and that is something Turkish academics would need to read WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:45, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
From the "Notable people" section:
Are they really notable? Should they be kept in the list of removed? JIP | Talk 21:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
"Turku's canteen and café culture has often been compared to French food culture, which is why Turku has also been perceived as the "Paris of Finland"" - this seems to reflect a communication point by commercial structures (e.g. a commercial advertisement page for Paulig "parisian" coffee brand, and Turku's official tourist page, cited as a references), not any cultural reality. If there are no proper references, I don't think Wikipedia should be relaying commercials as facts. Besides, there actually is no special food/café culture in Turku to speak of, compared to other large Finnish cities. 2001:999:60C:81F7:10:2030:4050:2 ( talk) 16:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The infobox incorrectly states that the population density of the Turku urban area is 9,993/km2 which is totally false. If that was true it would mean that Turku has a much higher urban population density than for example Paris (3,800/km2) or Los Angeles (2,886.6/km2) which of course is not true. According to Finnish Wikipedia the right urban density of Turku is 993/km2. When I try to edit it some idiot canceled my edit. So could someone please fix it. Turku urban area is not as densely populated as Delhi for crying out loud. Talk 15:56, 20 December 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.115.83.233 ( talk)