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Aspar is described in contemporary sources as an Alan (or sometimes a Goth), and his name is a straightforward derivation from the Alan/Iranian word for “horse”. What’s the proposed Turkic etymology for the name? — benadhem ( talk) 05:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Turcilingi were not a Turkish tribe. Turkish tribes began moving west from the Eurasian steppes in the sixth century. The Turcilingi were probably a small Germanic (Gothic ?) tribe like the Scirii, Rugii, Heruli and Gepidae, or a confederation of Germanic tribes, like the Alamanni.
Thorkiling = Thorkil (or Thor [Thorismund, Thorisind, Thormod...] + Kil [Thorkil]) + - ing ("sons", "descendants"). -- Sirius2044 ( talk) 09:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
=== Note also the work by Prof. Wolfram Brandes "Thüringer/ Thüringerinnnen in byzantinischen Quellen" in "Die Frühzeit der Thüringer. Brandes discusses the byzantine Suda Lexicon which provides the information that Odaker´s brother Onoulf was a Scirian on his mother side and a Thuringian on his father´s side. The information in the Suda goes back to a fragment of Malchos who wrote in the late 5th century, and Brandes, argues that this source is particularly reliable. He also explains how the name Thuringi was probably contaminated with the name Turci, that emerged in the 6th century in Constantinopel to produce the form Turcilingi. In short, it is practically certain that the Turcilingi are identical with the Turingi, i.e. the Thuringians.
My understanding based on recent reading is that there is only one independent source mentioning the Turcilingi. Our own text seems to disagree with itself. We mention three medieval sources and say two are independent. In chronological order:
But the last one is also based on the pre-existing ones. The information it gives is hardly novel compared to the other two, because lists of the peoples at Chalon were lists of the peoples thought to be in Attila's armies.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 13:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The German version was not linked yet to other languages, so I fixed that. It contains references to the RGA entry by Castritius.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 12:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC) The primary source for the new Thuringian theory seems to be an entry in the Suda.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 12:10, 15 March 2020 (UTC) The Brandes article cited in de.wp is in a book edited by Castritius https://books.google.be/books?id=hrjcrRSrSnMC&lpg=PA321 -- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 12:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
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Aspar is described in contemporary sources as an Alan (or sometimes a Goth), and his name is a straightforward derivation from the Alan/Iranian word for “horse”. What’s the proposed Turkic etymology for the name? — benadhem ( talk) 05:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Turcilingi were not a Turkish tribe. Turkish tribes began moving west from the Eurasian steppes in the sixth century. The Turcilingi were probably a small Germanic (Gothic ?) tribe like the Scirii, Rugii, Heruli and Gepidae, or a confederation of Germanic tribes, like the Alamanni.
Thorkiling = Thorkil (or Thor [Thorismund, Thorisind, Thormod...] + Kil [Thorkil]) + - ing ("sons", "descendants"). -- Sirius2044 ( talk) 09:15, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
=== Note also the work by Prof. Wolfram Brandes "Thüringer/ Thüringerinnnen in byzantinischen Quellen" in "Die Frühzeit der Thüringer. Brandes discusses the byzantine Suda Lexicon which provides the information that Odaker´s brother Onoulf was a Scirian on his mother side and a Thuringian on his father´s side. The information in the Suda goes back to a fragment of Malchos who wrote in the late 5th century, and Brandes, argues that this source is particularly reliable. He also explains how the name Thuringi was probably contaminated with the name Turci, that emerged in the 6th century in Constantinopel to produce the form Turcilingi. In short, it is practically certain that the Turcilingi are identical with the Turingi, i.e. the Thuringians.
My understanding based on recent reading is that there is only one independent source mentioning the Turcilingi. Our own text seems to disagree with itself. We mention three medieval sources and say two are independent. In chronological order:
But the last one is also based on the pre-existing ones. The information it gives is hardly novel compared to the other two, because lists of the peoples at Chalon were lists of the peoples thought to be in Attila's armies.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 13:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
The German version was not linked yet to other languages, so I fixed that. It contains references to the RGA entry by Castritius.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 12:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC) The primary source for the new Thuringian theory seems to be an entry in the Suda.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 12:10, 15 March 2020 (UTC) The Brandes article cited in de.wp is in a book edited by Castritius https://books.google.be/books?id=hrjcrRSrSnMC&lpg=PA321 -- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 12:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)