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@ Solipsism 101: The Guardian article attributes this claim to the War Zone magazine. I'm not up to date on military magazines, so I can't tell if that's a RS. Another source in our article states that some of these craft were captured by Donbass separatists. Daß Wölf 14:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
This article states Length: 114.33 m, that seems incorrect. Does anyone have better data?
93.22.148.208 ( talk) 17:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
This is a very puzzling thing: do thse drones have terrain hugging function? Because when I chart the flight path, the mountains it has to overcome to come across to Romania where it will stay in the Romanian airspace for 3-4 minutes and then cross to Hungary... are far higher than the altitude it had been flying at!
It is 1600-1800m peaks in the mountains, while the drone is said to travel only at 1300m altitude...
What else does not make sense is: if this really is the MODERNISED drone, why would it be kept UNPAINTED when all the others Ukraine uses are PAINTED?
Or maybe: could be the drone programmed to fly initially at a high altitude and then slowly drop over time, to maximize its flight range?
Suppose the drone was launched by a saboteur out of a storage in ukraine, why would it be unpainted? Why did the russian TV show picture of a burned drone part, carelessly arranged ovver some pipes as "crash"? If they were the source of the drone flying over, to use it as a decoy, doesn't it mean it would have to fly all over Ukraine, for some 1560km? If we assume that the practical range WITH instruments and navigation and maneuvering is 1000km, is a flight path over some frigid winter air during night, lighter because of no photorecoinassance instruments and altered flight profile possible? Did the plane fly 700km/h over Hungary or was it 1000km/h? How is the maximum range affected by changing velocity? How exactly is the flight range improved/worsedned by changing the flight direction east/west to west/east? (earth rotates under the flying object)
Or: was the purpose to really fly to Yarun instead of Jarun, because Yarun area is blurred on satellite images in high resolution images. Along with a lot of area around, some of which is military training ground. But even in that case, the problem of range and altitude remains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.143.105.168 ( talk) 06:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
the drone found in mrch 22 is uniterally described as ukrainian despite allnews outlet claiming otherwise: this is clear russian propaganda. 93.9.63.42 ( talk) 13:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Currently this sentence can be found in the "Usage and incidents" section: "The investigation conducted by the Ministry of Defence of Croatia concluded that the crashed drone had belonged to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and carried a bomb that was meant for striking Russia′s positions but it had strayed off course and crashed after it ran out of fuel." The source for that statement is: https://www.nacional.hr/jarunski-dron-pripadao-je-ukrajinskim-vojnim-snagama/ However, the source does not verify the claim that an "investigation by the Ministry of Defense of Croatia concluded the crashed drone had belonged to the Armed Forces of Ukraine". The source just claims that "Nacional [the news site that released the article] learned from a source close to the Ministry of Defense that the drone that crashed last week near the Stjepan Radić Student Dormitory in Zagreb belonged to the Ukrainian military and had a bomb intended to be activated at Russian positions in Ukraine." An unnamed source is in stark contrast to an official statement by the Ministry of Defense that is suggested in the sentence that is currently used in the article. I recommend to rephrase that sentence to make it clearer that the claim was made by an unnamed source and not by the Ministry of Defense of Croatia. MiBerG ( talk) 10:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
On the both wiki pages of Ukrainian and Russian, they both indicated the total produced number is 152. On the wiki page of English, it shows 142. Any source to check the produced number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 桃花影落飞神剑 ( talk • contribs) 04:50, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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@ Solipsism 101: The Guardian article attributes this claim to the War Zone magazine. I'm not up to date on military magazines, so I can't tell if that's a RS. Another source in our article states that some of these craft were captured by Donbass separatists. Daß Wölf 14:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
This article states Length: 114.33 m, that seems incorrect. Does anyone have better data?
93.22.148.208 ( talk) 17:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
This is a very puzzling thing: do thse drones have terrain hugging function? Because when I chart the flight path, the mountains it has to overcome to come across to Romania where it will stay in the Romanian airspace for 3-4 minutes and then cross to Hungary... are far higher than the altitude it had been flying at!
It is 1600-1800m peaks in the mountains, while the drone is said to travel only at 1300m altitude...
What else does not make sense is: if this really is the MODERNISED drone, why would it be kept UNPAINTED when all the others Ukraine uses are PAINTED?
Or maybe: could be the drone programmed to fly initially at a high altitude and then slowly drop over time, to maximize its flight range?
Suppose the drone was launched by a saboteur out of a storage in ukraine, why would it be unpainted? Why did the russian TV show picture of a burned drone part, carelessly arranged ovver some pipes as "crash"? If they were the source of the drone flying over, to use it as a decoy, doesn't it mean it would have to fly all over Ukraine, for some 1560km? If we assume that the practical range WITH instruments and navigation and maneuvering is 1000km, is a flight path over some frigid winter air during night, lighter because of no photorecoinassance instruments and altered flight profile possible? Did the plane fly 700km/h over Hungary or was it 1000km/h? How is the maximum range affected by changing velocity? How exactly is the flight range improved/worsedned by changing the flight direction east/west to west/east? (earth rotates under the flying object)
Or: was the purpose to really fly to Yarun instead of Jarun, because Yarun area is blurred on satellite images in high resolution images. Along with a lot of area around, some of which is military training ground. But even in that case, the problem of range and altitude remains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.143.105.168 ( talk) 06:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
the drone found in mrch 22 is uniterally described as ukrainian despite allnews outlet claiming otherwise: this is clear russian propaganda. 93.9.63.42 ( talk) 13:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Currently this sentence can be found in the "Usage and incidents" section: "The investigation conducted by the Ministry of Defence of Croatia concluded that the crashed drone had belonged to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and carried a bomb that was meant for striking Russia′s positions but it had strayed off course and crashed after it ran out of fuel." The source for that statement is: https://www.nacional.hr/jarunski-dron-pripadao-je-ukrajinskim-vojnim-snagama/ However, the source does not verify the claim that an "investigation by the Ministry of Defense of Croatia concluded the crashed drone had belonged to the Armed Forces of Ukraine". The source just claims that "Nacional [the news site that released the article] learned from a source close to the Ministry of Defense that the drone that crashed last week near the Stjepan Radić Student Dormitory in Zagreb belonged to the Ukrainian military and had a bomb intended to be activated at Russian positions in Ukraine." An unnamed source is in stark contrast to an official statement by the Ministry of Defense that is suggested in the sentence that is currently used in the article. I recommend to rephrase that sentence to make it clearer that the claim was made by an unnamed source and not by the Ministry of Defense of Croatia. MiBerG ( talk) 10:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
On the both wiki pages of Ukrainian and Russian, they both indicated the total produced number is 152. On the wiki page of English, it shows 142. Any source to check the produced number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 桃花影落飞神剑 ( talk • contribs) 04:50, 28 April 2022 (UTC)