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Ok, I am not an expert on this subject or Wikipedia so this might violate some rules. Please don't bite me. However, I think that the article fails to mention something.
Last protests happened months ago, goals of revolution may not have been established yet (ie democratical elections) but that same applies to Velvet revolution or any revolution during 1989 which timeline ends with last protests. I suggest we finally put an end to the timeline, giving end date on January 27 and all related incidents shall be mentioned in Aftermath or other section. It´s established that Tunisian revolution had happened and is not happening now by all major media outlets. -- EllsworthSK ( talk) 00:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I have heard many times that Tunisian's started the slogan “The people want to topple the regime.” For example in yesterdays NYTimes article ( http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/world/middleeast/22poet.html):
Tunisia can claim the slogan of the Arab revolts: “The people want to topple the regime.”
That seems like it's worth mention in this article, but I don't know enough to say where.
Cheers, — sligocki ( talk) 19:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
We are now and for the last 6 months in the transitional phase, which is as important and complex as the revolution itself. A clear, comprehensive article on this transitional phase and its actors, problematics, dynamics, and moves is very need. Yug (talk) 21:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
When comparing this page to the Egyptian and (now) Libyan revolutions, I believe the opening image (currently one of the flag being flown on the 23rd Jan) needs a revamp with a montage of highlights of this revolution. Anyone kind/skilled enough to create one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.202.247.242 ( talk) 22:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. No consensus to overturn previous discussion result. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Tunisian revolution →
Tunisian Revolution – I cannot see why the "Revolution" part should not be capitalized. Personally, I feel that the "bring it in line with
Egyptian revolution and
Libyan civil war, et al. are irrelevant because the title does not have a "2011" prefix like the aforementioned other two.
Either that, or we move it to 2011 Tunisian revolution. 48Lugur ( talk) 03:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Two of us have removed this odd hatnote: ""Wikileaks Revolution" redirects here. For the site in general, see WikiLeaks." Is it plausible to anyone that a person looking for Wikileaks will instead find themselves here via Wikileaks Revolution? And shoudn't we include a paragraph about this term in the article if we're going to have a redirect by this name? Dicklyon ( talk) 17:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:25, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Tunisian Revolution → Tunisian revolution – Relisted. Jafeluv ( talk) 22:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I know we just did this, and it closed as a move with two in favor and just me opposing, but I think it deserves to be looked at more closely. The reasoning "No consensus to overturn previous discussion result" is saying that it should not have been downcased because a previous RM discussion had upcased it; but that previous discussion had little or nothing to do with case; case was not discussed until afterward. So let's look at the case issue itself, instead of treating it as settled. The arguments for capitalization are specious, contrary to MOS:CAPS, and not supported by sources. Take a look at the news stories on the topic. Do they capitalize it? No. Do the cited sources capitalize it? No. Is "Tunisian Revolution", or even "Tunisian revolution", the accepted term for what we're talking about? Not really. It's an OK descriptive term, but is seldom or never treated as a proper noun. So we shouldn't either. Maybe in a few years... But for now, can we get more than a couple of people to evaluate the situation objectively please? Dicklyon ( talk) 06:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
According to headlines, the Tunisian revolution had been one in 2011 and has stopped. This article really has to update, otherwise, 30 years from now, people will look at this page and say, "It's still going on?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maggnotta ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC) good point.there has been no new protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plijygrdwa ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I've changed the article title from Tunisian Revolution to Tunisian revolution so that it tallies with 2011 Egyptian revolution and 2011 Libyan civil war. It seemed silly for this to remain Revolution, and the sources we use to support the naming all use the word in lower-case. Ericoides ( talk) 15:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
The internet archive has a nice collection of Tunisian blogs and videos during the revolution. http://archive-it.org/collections/2323
Does anyone else think this belongs in the external links section? I wanted to check with others before adding it myself. :)
-- 24.113.3.173 ( talk) 02:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
She was interviewed by blogger and independent journalist Michael Totten: http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blogs/michael-j-totten
In it, she self-identifies as a government worker, not a law enforcement officer. Quote: "My job was to chase away illegal fruit vendors. I don’t carry a gun. I don’t have a truncheon. I don’t carry a weapon at all." She also disputes many details of the current narrative, including the charge that she slapped the man.
I post this topic to see if anyone knows of anymore details about that woman (Faida Hamdi), her specific job, and the details of the actual initiating event. The details in Ms. Hamdi's interview are at odds with the narrative as it's currently been published in the news and in this article as well. I'd just go ahead and correct the identification of her as a police officer myself based on that article alone, but I don't know what to replace it with ("Government Official"? "Health Inspector"? "City Food Cart Vending Official"?), and I'm reluctant to change the details as posted in the live article without confirmation beyond Mr. Totten's column. It's a compelling interview, but it *IS* merely one, single source. Anyway, I'm posting this to see if anyone has anything else to add, and hopefully knows more than I do so that any update made would be accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldctjoc ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 11:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
2010–2011 Tunisian revolution →
Tunisian Revolution — Suggesting move per
User:Neutrality in the section above this. Under
Wikipedia:Article titles, it is stated that article titles should "be precise, but only as precise as necessary."
As there do not appear to have not been any other defined revolutions in
Tunisian history, the proposed title would seem appropriate. The move is supported by the sources quoted in this article and would correspond with most other revolution articles on Wikipedia (such as
French Revolution,
Iranian Revolution,
Cuban Revolution etc.)-
The Celestial City (
talk)
19:43, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Apologies, I did not notice the proposed change in capitalisation when performing this RM, and moved to Tunisian revolution (etc) when the consensus above was Tunisian Revolution. Thanks to those who have fixed this. Andrewa ( talk) 20:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
The citation for the supposed influence of WikiLeaks on the uprising is exceedingly dubious. From their 'About' page: "Strike The Root is a daily journal of current events and commentary from a libertarian/market anarchist perspective. The mission of STR is to advance the cause of liberty, primarily by de-mystifying and de-legitimizing the State. STR seeks a world where people are free to live their lives as they see fit, as long as they don't use force or fraud against peaceful people." Omehegan ( talk) 18:43, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. No oppose votes (after one was withdrawn) and several supports, with valid reasons, after full listing period. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 14:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Tunisian revolution →
Tunisian Revolution – Almost all "Revolution" articles feature a capital "R" (
American Revolution,
Argentine Revolution,
Belgian Revolution,
Cuban Revolution,
French Revolution,
Haitian Revolution,
Iranian Revolution,
Mexican Revolution,
Monegasque Revolution,
Philippine Revolution,
Romanian Revolution,
Russian Revolution,
Serbian Revolution,
Spanish Revolution, ect.
Charles Essie (
talk)
02:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
The article gives credit to the term Jasmine Revolution to a French blogger in January 2011, but they weren't the first person to use it regarding Tunisia, or even prior revolutions.
For better or worse, I began using the phrase on Twitter on December 28 when I began my coverage of the Tunisian revolution for NPR. The phrase "jasmine revolution" and "jasmine revolt" were used by me and other media sources between December 28 and the date credited to the blogger. For example, this article I wrote for NPR on January 13. I wouldn't be surprised if others came up with the term independently, but it was definitely in use by me and other journalists as early as December 28, 2010.
Also, versions of the term had been used several years earlier in Pakistan, also created independently by Pakistanis.
Acarvin ( talk) 16:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Since no one else made the edit, I've gone ahead and made it myself, including the appropriate citations. Acarvin ( talk) 15:26, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
>> Tunisia's second revolution >> Some Tunisians still waiting for revolution >> Revealing Tunisia's corruption under Ben Ali ( Lihaas ( talk) 15:19, 17 December 2013 (UTC)).
too many errors in this article. Vietcong nuturlizer ( talk) 00:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
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The term is official. There is to put it in lower case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CB:8001:28EB:155C:A39A:F0CD:B06A ( talk) 16:50, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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Ok, I am not an expert on this subject or Wikipedia so this might violate some rules. Please don't bite me. However, I think that the article fails to mention something.
Last protests happened months ago, goals of revolution may not have been established yet (ie democratical elections) but that same applies to Velvet revolution or any revolution during 1989 which timeline ends with last protests. I suggest we finally put an end to the timeline, giving end date on January 27 and all related incidents shall be mentioned in Aftermath or other section. It´s established that Tunisian revolution had happened and is not happening now by all major media outlets. -- EllsworthSK ( talk) 00:14, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I have heard many times that Tunisian's started the slogan “The people want to topple the regime.” For example in yesterdays NYTimes article ( http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/world/middleeast/22poet.html):
Tunisia can claim the slogan of the Arab revolts: “The people want to topple the regime.”
That seems like it's worth mention in this article, but I don't know enough to say where.
Cheers, — sligocki ( talk) 19:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
We are now and for the last 6 months in the transitional phase, which is as important and complex as the revolution itself. A clear, comprehensive article on this transitional phase and its actors, problematics, dynamics, and moves is very need. Yug (talk) 21:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
When comparing this page to the Egyptian and (now) Libyan revolutions, I believe the opening image (currently one of the flag being flown on the 23rd Jan) needs a revamp with a montage of highlights of this revolution. Anyone kind/skilled enough to create one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.202.247.242 ( talk) 22:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. No consensus to overturn previous discussion result. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Tunisian revolution →
Tunisian Revolution – I cannot see why the "Revolution" part should not be capitalized. Personally, I feel that the "bring it in line with
Egyptian revolution and
Libyan civil war, et al. are irrelevant because the title does not have a "2011" prefix like the aforementioned other two.
Either that, or we move it to 2011 Tunisian revolution. 48Lugur ( talk) 03:11, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Two of us have removed this odd hatnote: ""Wikileaks Revolution" redirects here. For the site in general, see WikiLeaks." Is it plausible to anyone that a person looking for Wikileaks will instead find themselves here via Wikileaks Revolution? And shoudn't we include a paragraph about this term in the article if we're going to have a redirect by this name? Dicklyon ( talk) 17:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:25, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Tunisian Revolution → Tunisian revolution – Relisted. Jafeluv ( talk) 22:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC) I know we just did this, and it closed as a move with two in favor and just me opposing, but I think it deserves to be looked at more closely. The reasoning "No consensus to overturn previous discussion result" is saying that it should not have been downcased because a previous RM discussion had upcased it; but that previous discussion had little or nothing to do with case; case was not discussed until afterward. So let's look at the case issue itself, instead of treating it as settled. The arguments for capitalization are specious, contrary to MOS:CAPS, and not supported by sources. Take a look at the news stories on the topic. Do they capitalize it? No. Do the cited sources capitalize it? No. Is "Tunisian Revolution", or even "Tunisian revolution", the accepted term for what we're talking about? Not really. It's an OK descriptive term, but is seldom or never treated as a proper noun. So we shouldn't either. Maybe in a few years... But for now, can we get more than a couple of people to evaluate the situation objectively please? Dicklyon ( talk) 06:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
According to headlines, the Tunisian revolution had been one in 2011 and has stopped. This article really has to update, otherwise, 30 years from now, people will look at this page and say, "It's still going on?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maggnotta ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC) good point.there has been no new protests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plijygrdwa ( talk • contribs) 06:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I've changed the article title from Tunisian Revolution to Tunisian revolution so that it tallies with 2011 Egyptian revolution and 2011 Libyan civil war. It seemed silly for this to remain Revolution, and the sources we use to support the naming all use the word in lower-case. Ericoides ( talk) 15:47, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
The internet archive has a nice collection of Tunisian blogs and videos during the revolution. http://archive-it.org/collections/2323
Does anyone else think this belongs in the external links section? I wanted to check with others before adding it myself. :)
-- 24.113.3.173 ( talk) 02:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
She was interviewed by blogger and independent journalist Michael Totten: http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blogs/michael-j-totten
In it, she self-identifies as a government worker, not a law enforcement officer. Quote: "My job was to chase away illegal fruit vendors. I don’t carry a gun. I don’t have a truncheon. I don’t carry a weapon at all." She also disputes many details of the current narrative, including the charge that she slapped the man.
I post this topic to see if anyone knows of anymore details about that woman (Faida Hamdi), her specific job, and the details of the actual initiating event. The details in Ms. Hamdi's interview are at odds with the narrative as it's currently been published in the news and in this article as well. I'd just go ahead and correct the identification of her as a police officer myself based on that article alone, but I don't know what to replace it with ("Government Official"? "Health Inspector"? "City Food Cart Vending Official"?), and I'm reluctant to change the details as posted in the live article without confirmation beyond Mr. Totten's column. It's a compelling interview, but it *IS* merely one, single source. Anyway, I'm posting this to see if anyone has anything else to add, and hopefully knows more than I do so that any update made would be accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldctjoc ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 11:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
2010–2011 Tunisian revolution →
Tunisian Revolution — Suggesting move per
User:Neutrality in the section above this. Under
Wikipedia:Article titles, it is stated that article titles should "be precise, but only as precise as necessary."
As there do not appear to have not been any other defined revolutions in
Tunisian history, the proposed title would seem appropriate. The move is supported by the sources quoted in this article and would correspond with most other revolution articles on Wikipedia (such as
French Revolution,
Iranian Revolution,
Cuban Revolution etc.)-
The Celestial City (
talk)
19:43, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Apologies, I did not notice the proposed change in capitalisation when performing this RM, and moved to Tunisian revolution (etc) when the consensus above was Tunisian Revolution. Thanks to those who have fixed this. Andrewa ( talk) 20:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
The citation for the supposed influence of WikiLeaks on the uprising is exceedingly dubious. From their 'About' page: "Strike The Root is a daily journal of current events and commentary from a libertarian/market anarchist perspective. The mission of STR is to advance the cause of liberty, primarily by de-mystifying and de-legitimizing the State. STR seeks a world where people are free to live their lives as they see fit, as long as they don't use force or fraud against peaceful people." Omehegan ( talk) 18:43, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page moved. No oppose votes (after one was withdrawn) and several supports, with valid reasons, after full listing period. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 14:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Tunisian revolution →
Tunisian Revolution – Almost all "Revolution" articles feature a capital "R" (
American Revolution,
Argentine Revolution,
Belgian Revolution,
Cuban Revolution,
French Revolution,
Haitian Revolution,
Iranian Revolution,
Mexican Revolution,
Monegasque Revolution,
Philippine Revolution,
Romanian Revolution,
Russian Revolution,
Serbian Revolution,
Spanish Revolution, ect.
Charles Essie (
talk)
02:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
The article gives credit to the term Jasmine Revolution to a French blogger in January 2011, but they weren't the first person to use it regarding Tunisia, or even prior revolutions.
For better or worse, I began using the phrase on Twitter on December 28 when I began my coverage of the Tunisian revolution for NPR. The phrase "jasmine revolution" and "jasmine revolt" were used by me and other media sources between December 28 and the date credited to the blogger. For example, this article I wrote for NPR on January 13. I wouldn't be surprised if others came up with the term independently, but it was definitely in use by me and other journalists as early as December 28, 2010.
Also, versions of the term had been used several years earlier in Pakistan, also created independently by Pakistanis.
Acarvin ( talk) 16:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Since no one else made the edit, I've gone ahead and made it myself, including the appropriate citations. Acarvin ( talk) 15:26, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
>> Tunisia's second revolution >> Some Tunisians still waiting for revolution >> Revealing Tunisia's corruption under Ben Ali ( Lihaas ( talk) 15:19, 17 December 2013 (UTC)).
too many errors in this article. Vietcong nuturlizer ( talk) 00:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
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The term is official. There is to put it in lower case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CB:8001:28EB:155C:A39A:F0CD:B06A ( talk) 16:50, 29 May 2016 (UTC)