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"It has also been suggested that the word derives from "tungus" which means pig."
"Pig" in what language? Would the "civilized" Chinese or the contrasted Mongolian nomads refer to these people as "pigs" or would the Tunguz simply refer to themselves as this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.203.140.113 ( talk) 19:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
memidex.com Tungus: Russian, from East Turkic tunguz, wild pig, boar, from Old Turkic tonguz. (American Heritage Dictionary); School on the “move”: In different sources Tungus...have been suggested that it originated from the Yakut word “toηus” i.e. “pig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.160.7.158 ( talk) 08:05, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
If I understand right, ALL Tungusic peoples are considered Tunguses. It's rather confusing that the term Tunguses would have once been applied specifically to the Evenks, since they are just one of various Tungusic peoples. Gringo300 03:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Why are Koreans considered Tungusic? Is there language not a language isolate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.76.212 ( talk) 19:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Did they conquer china or were they conquered BY china? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purbanski ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC) Answer, conquered china.. Well the manchus did.
I've tagged this article because I think the term "Tungusic peoples" might be a neologism. There is a tendency on Wikipedia - either out of convenience or racist pan-nationalism - to try to put all ethnic groups on a phylogenetic tree based on language family, on the faulty premise that population groups correspond well with languages over time and space. On the various peoples who speak languages that are classified as Tungusic, I refer to the Polish anthropologist Maria Czaplicka:
Shrigley ( talk) 23:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
It is still a "neologism" in the sense that it was coined in the 19th century to refer to phylogeny, not any contemporary ethnic group. There is nothing wrong with phylogeny (indeed, it is impossible to "understand" concepts without understanding phylogeny), but the status of the term as such needs to be pointed out. "Tungusic" is misleading in early (19th century) usage because it may refer just to Evenks (Tungus) and not to the full Manchu-Tungus phylum. It is my impression that German Tungusisch just meant "Tungus, Evenk", and English Tungusic was used by Müller as the English equivalent, but in the sense of "whatever linguistic phylum the Tungus belong to". It may be better to use the unambiguous "Manchu-Tungus" (or "Tunguso-Manchurian") when discussing the phylum, and Evenki when discussing the ethnic group, and avoiding either "Tungusic" or "Tungus" as likely to cause misunderstandings. -- dab (𒁳) 07:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882)
https://archive.org/details/untertungusenun00mlgoog
Rajmaan ( talk) 03:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Do they live in yurt? Planke ( talk) 14:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Smallpox among the Tungus Peoples: The Language of a Disease Ruth I. Meserve Central Asiatic Journal Vol. 50, No. 1 (2006), pp. 75-100 Published by: Harrassowitz Verlag Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41928411
Rajmaan ( talk) 23:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Are there were any other Tungusic states except Jin dynasty, Manchu state, Qing dynasty and Manchukuo? Dersere ( talk) 16:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tungusic peoples's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
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"It has also been suggested that the word derives from "tungus" which means pig."
"Pig" in what language? Would the "civilized" Chinese or the contrasted Mongolian nomads refer to these people as "pigs" or would the Tunguz simply refer to themselves as this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.203.140.113 ( talk) 19:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
memidex.com Tungus: Russian, from East Turkic tunguz, wild pig, boar, from Old Turkic tonguz. (American Heritage Dictionary); School on the “move”: In different sources Tungus...have been suggested that it originated from the Yakut word “toηus” i.e. “pig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.160.7.158 ( talk) 08:05, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
If I understand right, ALL Tungusic peoples are considered Tunguses. It's rather confusing that the term Tunguses would have once been applied specifically to the Evenks, since they are just one of various Tungusic peoples. Gringo300 03:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Why are Koreans considered Tungusic? Is there language not a language isolate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.76.212 ( talk) 19:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Did they conquer china or were they conquered BY china? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purbanski ( talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 July 2012 (UTC) Answer, conquered china.. Well the manchus did.
I've tagged this article because I think the term "Tungusic peoples" might be a neologism. There is a tendency on Wikipedia - either out of convenience or racist pan-nationalism - to try to put all ethnic groups on a phylogenetic tree based on language family, on the faulty premise that population groups correspond well with languages over time and space. On the various peoples who speak languages that are classified as Tungusic, I refer to the Polish anthropologist Maria Czaplicka:
Shrigley ( talk) 23:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
It is still a "neologism" in the sense that it was coined in the 19th century to refer to phylogeny, not any contemporary ethnic group. There is nothing wrong with phylogeny (indeed, it is impossible to "understand" concepts without understanding phylogeny), but the status of the term as such needs to be pointed out. "Tungusic" is misleading in early (19th century) usage because it may refer just to Evenks (Tungus) and not to the full Manchu-Tungus phylum. It is my impression that German Tungusisch just meant "Tungus, Evenk", and English Tungusic was used by Müller as the English equivalent, but in the sense of "whatever linguistic phylum the Tungus belong to". It may be better to use the unambiguous "Manchu-Tungus" (or "Tunguso-Manchurian") when discussing the phylum, and Evenki when discussing the ethnic group, and avoiding either "Tungusic" or "Tungus" as likely to cause misunderstandings. -- dab (𒁳) 07:24, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Unter Tungusen und Jakuten : Erlebnisse und Ergebnisse der Olenék-Expedition der Kaiserlich russischen geographischen Gesellschaft in St. Petersburg (1882)
https://archive.org/details/untertungusenun00mlgoog
Rajmaan ( talk) 03:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Do they live in yurt? Planke ( talk) 14:37, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Smallpox among the Tungus Peoples: The Language of a Disease Ruth I. Meserve Central Asiatic Journal Vol. 50, No. 1 (2006), pp. 75-100 Published by: Harrassowitz Verlag Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41928411
Rajmaan ( talk) 23:31, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Are there were any other Tungusic states except Jin dynasty, Manchu state, Qing dynasty and Manchukuo? Dersere ( talk) 16:00, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tungusic peoples's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Xue2006":
Reference named "Duggan2013":
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)Reference named "DiCristofaro2013":
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)Reference named "Fedorova2013":
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)Reference named "Lell2002":
Reference named "Ashirbekov2017":
Reference named "Hammer2006":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)