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I propose that we merge Tucson Toros into this article, in a format similar to Iowa Cubs. The two articles have a significant amount of overlap, since they describe the same team before and after a re-naming. We should streamline them into one article to avoid covering the same ground twice, taking care to retain enough of the visual content from the Toros article (pics, logos) to ensure that we document the former identity. SixFourThree ( talk) 16:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
Two different franchises I don't think they should be. Maybe after the move to Reno next year but not now. ~ Unknown
I disagree that the Toros and Sidewinders articles be merged. They should be kept seperate. According to what I read, Jay Zucker not only owns the current Sidewinders team in the PCL, but also owns the naming rights to the "Toros". As the history indicates, both teams are different. The word is that the current Reno Silver Sox of the Golden Baseball League will relocate to Tucson and be renamed the Toros. I think the Mesa Miners article should be merged with the Silver Sox article, but not the Toros and Sidewinders. Ccwstandard ( talk) 18:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Although it makes sense on the surface, the history of the team is complicated by both the 1990s "swap" in ownership and the current situation with the Sidewinders' move and the Toros' possible non-AAA revival. Having two articles helps to make things a bit clearer, and refines the emphasis on long-term history vs. what the Sidewinders accomplished. (One can see a similar situation with the article on the defunct Albuquerque Dukes.) In addition, the Toros name retains a cachet in Tucson that the Sidewinders never achieved despite their years of success on the field. Facts may say otherwise (at least until 2009), but the changes made at the time of the Sidewinders inception were so profound that Tucsonans tend to view them as very different teams. And finally, having two articles helps to keep things reasonably brief and in focus. -- Karen | Talk | contribs 05:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- Respectfully Agree. Toros owner Jay Zucker apparently wants the Toros' history to be seperated from the Sidewinders. It seems to me that the Sidewinders' history is completely seperate from the Toros' history since the franchise was purchased by another company and renamed the "Sidewinders". That basically put the Toros' history on the shelf until Zucker brought them back as a Golden Baseball League expansion team that has adopted the history of the original Triple A franchise. It's like what the Cleveland Browns did and the Seattle SuperSonics will do. Complicated as it may seem, it does seem like it's two seperate franchises now. Ccwstandard ( talk) 07:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tucson Sidewinders/Comments (baseball), and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
| While there is some overlap between the Toro and Sidewinder artciles, I don't believe that merging them is the solution. Even though the Sidewinders claim that their lineage goes back to the Toros, the fact of the matter is that they are two distinct entities. The Toros were Tucson's baseball, yet the city never took to the Sidewinders. The Toros played at Hi-C, and the Sidewinders played at TEP. The Toros were (mostly) the Astros' PCL team, but the Sidewinders were always the D-Backs' PCL team. Ask yourself, if these teams are one and the same, why was the decision made to terminate the Toros after almost 30 years and begin new with the Sidewinders? |
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I propose that we merge Tucson Toros into this article, in a format similar to Iowa Cubs. The two articles have a significant amount of overlap, since they describe the same team before and after a re-naming. We should streamline them into one article to avoid covering the same ground twice, taking care to retain enough of the visual content from the Toros article (pics, logos) to ensure that we document the former identity. SixFourThree ( talk) 16:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
Two different franchises I don't think they should be. Maybe after the move to Reno next year but not now. ~ Unknown
I disagree that the Toros and Sidewinders articles be merged. They should be kept seperate. According to what I read, Jay Zucker not only owns the current Sidewinders team in the PCL, but also owns the naming rights to the "Toros". As the history indicates, both teams are different. The word is that the current Reno Silver Sox of the Golden Baseball League will relocate to Tucson and be renamed the Toros. I think the Mesa Miners article should be merged with the Silver Sox article, but not the Toros and Sidewinders. Ccwstandard ( talk) 18:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose. Although it makes sense on the surface, the history of the team is complicated by both the 1990s "swap" in ownership and the current situation with the Sidewinders' move and the Toros' possible non-AAA revival. Having two articles helps to make things a bit clearer, and refines the emphasis on long-term history vs. what the Sidewinders accomplished. (One can see a similar situation with the article on the defunct Albuquerque Dukes.) In addition, the Toros name retains a cachet in Tucson that the Sidewinders never achieved despite their years of success on the field. Facts may say otherwise (at least until 2009), but the changes made at the time of the Sidewinders inception were so profound that Tucsonans tend to view them as very different teams. And finally, having two articles helps to keep things reasonably brief and in focus. -- Karen | Talk | contribs 05:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- Respectfully Agree. Toros owner Jay Zucker apparently wants the Toros' history to be seperated from the Sidewinders. It seems to me that the Sidewinders' history is completely seperate from the Toros' history since the franchise was purchased by another company and renamed the "Sidewinders". That basically put the Toros' history on the shelf until Zucker brought them back as a Golden Baseball League expansion team that has adopted the history of the original Triple A franchise. It's like what the Cleveland Browns did and the Seattle SuperSonics will do. Complicated as it may seem, it does seem like it's two seperate franchises now. Ccwstandard ( talk) 07:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tucson Sidewinders/Comments (baseball), and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
| While there is some overlap between the Toro and Sidewinder artciles, I don't believe that merging them is the solution. Even though the Sidewinders claim that their lineage goes back to the Toros, the fact of the matter is that they are two distinct entities. The Toros were Tucson's baseball, yet the city never took to the Sidewinders. The Toros played at Hi-C, and the Sidewinders played at TEP. The Toros were (mostly) the Astros' PCL team, but the Sidewinders were always the D-Backs' PCL team. Ask yourself, if these teams are one and the same, why was the decision made to terminate the Toros after almost 30 years and begin new with the Sidewinders? |
Last edited at 19:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 14:25, 10 October 2016 (UTC)