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What is the difference between a stolon and a rhizome? Is a stolon above ground? Or can it be underground? Is it an above or under ground runner? Can a rhizone be above ground? Is a stolon a kind of rhizome? Or are they different? 88888 20:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
For those of you in New England who pronounce the above word as "Tuber," please note the inablility to produce low tones with one of these ;-) Weyandt 20:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
can you show an example of a tuber?
tubers are weird i dont know why he he he? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.171.207.171 ( talk) 21:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
A stolon develops above ground, not under ground as a rhizome does, and 'above-ground rhizome' is essentially a description of a stolon. Tubers, however, develop underground from rhizomes. That's why I changed the article and even gave a citation to back it up, something that the current version doesn't have.-- Jcvamp 19:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Your confusing the general meaning of stolon with the morphologically correct one, potato tubers are stolons, they do not have roots but have nodes, they grow from stolon tissue. There are a number of tuber like structure and they can form from roots or stolons or rhizomes.
There are a number of plants that have rhizomes above ground or at the soil surface, many Iris species and tropical species have surface forming rhizomes. were they form does not make them rhizomes but the structure of the stem makes it a rhizomes. Hardyplants 02:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Also keep in mind that there are some species of plants that have runners or above ground stolons that develop tuberous ends and potato and some of its relatives can and do produce above ground tubers, some aquatic sedges form tubers at the ends of stolons, these tubers are swollen stolons that break free and form new plants. Hardyplants 12:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
"...Tuber fleshy swollen end of a stolon used for food storage.(The eyes of a potato are buds developing at the node)potato" [1] The problem might be that your references are to general and they confuse runner with stolon. A runner is a type of stolon that is above ground, a stolon moves at the soil surface or under the soil Hardyplants 21:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
They are all general sources that repeat each others information, my sources are from Scientists that study plant anatomy and morphology, over the weekend I will work on the rhizome page and cover the two basic types of rhizomes plus a few specialized ones that some plants like Orchids that grow in trees. In general biology and hort courses, they do not go into much details and runners work well as a representative of a stolon, thus this simplified version is the one propagated by general references.'
I am also working on pictures for all the different plants with stolons and rhizomes but have to find the time to dig the plants and take the pictures so that might take a few weeks. From one of your own sources, showing that stolons are below ground and runners are above ground [17]. Hardyplants 23:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I have a way to solve our Potato problem, it will take me a while to formalize it and have it put in the articles but I can outline it here. The problem with the terminologies in regards to rhizome or stolon goes back to how the potato is propagated. If the potato was to be grown from seed in a natural way, it would clearly show its self to be a stolon, but since most potatoes are cut up and planted deeper into the soil, when the eyes "sprout" and grow stems, those stems are rhizomes, do you see how this can cause problems? Hardyplants 07:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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Are these two structures analogous botanical terms? Are tuberous roots true tubers?
What is the difference between a tuber and corm? Does taro root qualify as a tuber or a corm? Thanks. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 08:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
What is up with them? Are they stem tubers or root tubers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.172.66 ( talk) 10:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I added the main page for potatoes. LoLegion ( talk) 08:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The definition of tuber given in this article seems to me at odds with the way the term is used by plant biologists. In my experience, tuber usually refers to a modified stem. It is true that the term root-tuber or tuberous root is used but it is probably an analogous term or, as the Encyclopedia Britannica calls it, a term used "imprecisely but widely". There is no plant anatomy or morphology text given as a reference in this article. The few I have looked in do not support the definition of tuber given here. I will look at some others next week. I think, one way or the other, there should be solid sources for the way tubers are portrayed in this article.
Does anyone have a better source for the definition given here? Michaplot ( talk) 23:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The article intro now seems more or less as I was thinking it should be--the term tuber is not clearly defined by many authors who use the term, so it is fair to acknowledge there is ambiguity in usage. Presenting some material on tuber ontogeny would be excellent, rather than the simplistic root/stem classification. Michaplot ( talk) 20:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, my botany definitions aren't good enough, otherwise I could make all the corrections myself - but for starters, sweetpotatoes are not tubers - they are storage roots. Tubers are modified stems. I believe "tuberous root" is a misnomer.
I note that the introduction to the article, violated NPV rules. It used the phrase "some sources" and "treat" in a way that clearly implied that roots are not "real" tubers. No matter what the case. if the definition is in dispute, then this article needs to report both definitions in a neutral way. It should not choose sides. I edited this to make it neutral. Nick Beeson ( talk) 12:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
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What is the difference between a stolon and a rhizome? Is a stolon above ground? Or can it be underground? Is it an above or under ground runner? Can a rhizone be above ground? Is a stolon a kind of rhizome? Or are they different? 88888 20:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
For those of you in New England who pronounce the above word as "Tuber," please note the inablility to produce low tones with one of these ;-) Weyandt 20:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
can you show an example of a tuber?
tubers are weird i dont know why he he he? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.171.207.171 ( talk) 21:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
A stolon develops above ground, not under ground as a rhizome does, and 'above-ground rhizome' is essentially a description of a stolon. Tubers, however, develop underground from rhizomes. That's why I changed the article and even gave a citation to back it up, something that the current version doesn't have.-- Jcvamp 19:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Your confusing the general meaning of stolon with the morphologically correct one, potato tubers are stolons, they do not have roots but have nodes, they grow from stolon tissue. There are a number of tuber like structure and they can form from roots or stolons or rhizomes.
There are a number of plants that have rhizomes above ground or at the soil surface, many Iris species and tropical species have surface forming rhizomes. were they form does not make them rhizomes but the structure of the stem makes it a rhizomes. Hardyplants 02:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Also keep in mind that there are some species of plants that have runners or above ground stolons that develop tuberous ends and potato and some of its relatives can and do produce above ground tubers, some aquatic sedges form tubers at the ends of stolons, these tubers are swollen stolons that break free and form new plants. Hardyplants 12:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
"...Tuber fleshy swollen end of a stolon used for food storage.(The eyes of a potato are buds developing at the node)potato" [1] The problem might be that your references are to general and they confuse runner with stolon. A runner is a type of stolon that is above ground, a stolon moves at the soil surface or under the soil Hardyplants 21:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
They are all general sources that repeat each others information, my sources are from Scientists that study plant anatomy and morphology, over the weekend I will work on the rhizome page and cover the two basic types of rhizomes plus a few specialized ones that some plants like Orchids that grow in trees. In general biology and hort courses, they do not go into much details and runners work well as a representative of a stolon, thus this simplified version is the one propagated by general references.'
I am also working on pictures for all the different plants with stolons and rhizomes but have to find the time to dig the plants and take the pictures so that might take a few weeks. From one of your own sources, showing that stolons are below ground and runners are above ground [17]. Hardyplants 23:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I have a way to solve our Potato problem, it will take me a while to formalize it and have it put in the articles but I can outline it here. The problem with the terminologies in regards to rhizome or stolon goes back to how the potato is propagated. If the potato was to be grown from seed in a natural way, it would clearly show its self to be a stolon, but since most potatoes are cut up and planted deeper into the soil, when the eyes "sprout" and grow stems, those stems are rhizomes, do you see how this can cause problems? Hardyplants 07:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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Are these two structures analogous botanical terms? Are tuberous roots true tubers?
What is the difference between a tuber and corm? Does taro root qualify as a tuber or a corm? Thanks. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 08:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
What is up with them? Are they stem tubers or root tubers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.172.66 ( talk) 10:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I added the main page for potatoes. LoLegion ( talk) 08:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The definition of tuber given in this article seems to me at odds with the way the term is used by plant biologists. In my experience, tuber usually refers to a modified stem. It is true that the term root-tuber or tuberous root is used but it is probably an analogous term or, as the Encyclopedia Britannica calls it, a term used "imprecisely but widely". There is no plant anatomy or morphology text given as a reference in this article. The few I have looked in do not support the definition of tuber given here. I will look at some others next week. I think, one way or the other, there should be solid sources for the way tubers are portrayed in this article.
Does anyone have a better source for the definition given here? Michaplot ( talk) 23:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The article intro now seems more or less as I was thinking it should be--the term tuber is not clearly defined by many authors who use the term, so it is fair to acknowledge there is ambiguity in usage. Presenting some material on tuber ontogeny would be excellent, rather than the simplistic root/stem classification. Michaplot ( talk) 20:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately, my botany definitions aren't good enough, otherwise I could make all the corrections myself - but for starters, sweetpotatoes are not tubers - they are storage roots. Tubers are modified stems. I believe "tuberous root" is a misnomer.
I note that the introduction to the article, violated NPV rules. It used the phrase "some sources" and "treat" in a way that clearly implied that roots are not "real" tubers. No matter what the case. if the definition is in dispute, then this article needs to report both definitions in a neutral way. It should not choose sides. I edited this to make it neutral. Nick Beeson ( talk) 12:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)