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This page needs a lot of work. Many of the claims made in the last section are unsubstaniated, unclear, and irrelevant. It would be great if someone familiar with the details of the Tsimshian culture could help to make this more specific and accurate or rewrite the whole section. Dan Lesh 07:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Came across Gitgaat Community Language page, which is about the small community of Hartley Bay, British Columbia, which was in the news lately re the Queen of the North sinking. Quoted from that webpage for later writers of this page:
Hello, could somebody possibly add something on Proto-Tsimshian, regular phonological and morphological correspondences between the individual Tsimshian languages and the reconstructed proto-language itself? Thank you very much in advance! :-) --Pet'usek [petr dot hrubis at gmail dot com] 23:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Currently the word "Proto-Tsimshian" is only used by John A. Dunn, whose reconstruction is based mostly on Coast Tsimshian. On the other hand, I have been working for years on the reconstruction of "Proto-Tsimshianic", based on all 4 varieties of the Tsimshianic family. According to this work, Southern Tsimshian is closest to the proto-language, especially for the vowels and the initial consonants, followed by Nisqa'a for the final consonants. In terms of consonants, Coast Tsimshian appears to have diverged the most from the proto-language, which is why it is unreliable as the main basis for reconstruction. I have used my Proto-Tsimshianic reconstructions (still in progress) as the basis of comparison of the Tsimshianic and Penutian languages. Slight resemblances between Tsimshianic and Indo-European are mentioned in my article "Tsimshianic and Penutian" (see reference under "Penutian languages" - those languages struck Edward Sapir as having some IE characteristics, without leading him to postulate a true relationship).
Penutgirl 20:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi; I just found Coast Tsimshian which as this article notes is an obsolete terminology; it's also about the language, i.e. it's a language article and so needs to be differently titled anyway. Please see Talk:Coast Tsimshian for more on this; basically Tsimshian language currently redirects here but it should be a separate language article. I'm posting this notice and will wait a week or so for input/discussion before going ahead and converting the Tsimshian language redirect into a language article, which will have redirects from Sm'algyax etc.; Coast Tsimshian probably would do best as a dab page because of people still looking for either the language or the people under that name. And can someone here name for me any tribal councils in addition to band governments, as the Tsimshian Tribal Council no longer exists (but should have an article as a historical entity anyway). Skookum1 22:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Unless I'm somehow reading it wrong, this globe&mail article claims Iona Campagnolo has a native Tsimsean name, "Person Who Sits High." She isn't Tsimshian is she? Anyone have any idea where this came from? - TheMightyQuill 18:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 20:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
One of my great grandfathers was allegedly the chief of the Tsimshian nation until 1887 when he was lead by Willian Duncan with several tribes members to Annette Island, Alaska. I'm trying to find out his name and more about my family and ancestry. If anyone can help, please contact me at PublicNewSense@gmail.com. Thank you very much.
Shoshannah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoshannah Whiteraven ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a question about the {{ pron-en}} IPA given here. I'm not expert on IPA but made a stab at rendering Tsimshian in IPA based on the OED and this page on FN pronunciations, before realizing there was already an IPA pronunciation here. There's a couple of differences between my attempt and the IPA here. My attempt: /sɪmˈʃiː.ən/. The IPA given here: /ˈsɪmʃiən/. A couple questions. First, the /i/ used here. On the WP:IPAEN page there is no /i/ listed. Isn't this the "ee" sound, as in flEEce, sEEd, etc? The IPAEN page gives /iː/ for that. Second, while the OED says the stress is on the first syllable, the BC FN pronunciation guide linked above accents the second syllable, sim-SHE-an. So I'm just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this for me. Thanks. Pfly ( talk) 05:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I added the external link of tismshian text but I was not logged in. So I am just informing everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tenklop ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
How about Janie Leask? RadioKAOS ( talk) 23:29, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm placing these on the talk page just in case anyone wants to develop the articles. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 00:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Not much to be done with it yet, it needs cropping and contrast-boosting, but nice picture
. Skookum1 ( talk) 08:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Chipewyan people which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 09:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. As with other similar moves, we appear to have an emerging consensus that the people are the primary topic of "Tsimshian" and should be at the base name Cúchullain t/ c 17:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Tsimshian people → Tsimshian – target is redirect to current title, created by Kwami on Jun 28 2011] with no regard for PRIMARYTOPIC or UNDAB or provably stand-alone use as is the norm. Skookum1 ( talk) 05:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tsimshian/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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This page needs a lot of work. Many of the claims made in the last section are unsubstaniated, unclear, and irrelevant. It would be great if someone familiar with the details of the Tsimshian culture could help to make this more specific and accurate or rewrite the whole section. Dan Lesh 07:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Came across Gitgaat Community Language page, which is about the small community of Hartley Bay, British Columbia, which was in the news lately re the Queen of the North sinking. Quoted from that webpage for later writers of this page:
Hello, could somebody possibly add something on Proto-Tsimshian, regular phonological and morphological correspondences between the individual Tsimshian languages and the reconstructed proto-language itself? Thank you very much in advance! :-) --Pet'usek [petr dot hrubis at gmail dot com] 23:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Currently the word "Proto-Tsimshian" is only used by John A. Dunn, whose reconstruction is based mostly on Coast Tsimshian. On the other hand, I have been working for years on the reconstruction of "Proto-Tsimshianic", based on all 4 varieties of the Tsimshianic family. According to this work, Southern Tsimshian is closest to the proto-language, especially for the vowels and the initial consonants, followed by Nisqa'a for the final consonants. In terms of consonants, Coast Tsimshian appears to have diverged the most from the proto-language, which is why it is unreliable as the main basis for reconstruction. I have used my Proto-Tsimshianic reconstructions (still in progress) as the basis of comparison of the Tsimshianic and Penutian languages. Slight resemblances between Tsimshianic and Indo-European are mentioned in my article "Tsimshianic and Penutian" (see reference under "Penutian languages" - those languages struck Edward Sapir as having some IE characteristics, without leading him to postulate a true relationship).
Penutgirl 20:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi; I just found Coast Tsimshian which as this article notes is an obsolete terminology; it's also about the language, i.e. it's a language article and so needs to be differently titled anyway. Please see Talk:Coast Tsimshian for more on this; basically Tsimshian language currently redirects here but it should be a separate language article. I'm posting this notice and will wait a week or so for input/discussion before going ahead and converting the Tsimshian language redirect into a language article, which will have redirects from Sm'algyax etc.; Coast Tsimshian probably would do best as a dab page because of people still looking for either the language or the people under that name. And can someone here name for me any tribal councils in addition to band governments, as the Tsimshian Tribal Council no longer exists (but should have an article as a historical entity anyway). Skookum1 22:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Unless I'm somehow reading it wrong, this globe&mail article claims Iona Campagnolo has a native Tsimsean name, "Person Who Sits High." She isn't Tsimshian is she? Anyone have any idea where this came from? - TheMightyQuill 18:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{ Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 20:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
One of my great grandfathers was allegedly the chief of the Tsimshian nation until 1887 when he was lead by Willian Duncan with several tribes members to Annette Island, Alaska. I'm trying to find out his name and more about my family and ancestry. If anyone can help, please contact me at PublicNewSense@gmail.com. Thank you very much.
Shoshannah —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoshannah Whiteraven ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a question about the {{ pron-en}} IPA given here. I'm not expert on IPA but made a stab at rendering Tsimshian in IPA based on the OED and this page on FN pronunciations, before realizing there was already an IPA pronunciation here. There's a couple of differences between my attempt and the IPA here. My attempt: /sɪmˈʃiː.ən/. The IPA given here: /ˈsɪmʃiən/. A couple questions. First, the /i/ used here. On the WP:IPAEN page there is no /i/ listed. Isn't this the "ee" sound, as in flEEce, sEEd, etc? The IPAEN page gives /iː/ for that. Second, while the OED says the stress is on the first syllable, the BC FN pronunciation guide linked above accents the second syllable, sim-SHE-an. So I'm just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this for me. Thanks. Pfly ( talk) 05:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I added the external link of tismshian text but I was not logged in. So I am just informing everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tenklop ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
How about Janie Leask? RadioKAOS ( talk) 23:29, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm placing these on the talk page just in case anyone wants to develop the articles. - Uyvsdi ( talk) 00:26, 2 July 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
Not much to be done with it yet, it needs cropping and contrast-boosting, but nice picture
. Skookum1 ( talk) 08:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Chipewyan people which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 09:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. As with other similar moves, we appear to have an emerging consensus that the people are the primary topic of "Tsimshian" and should be at the base name Cúchullain t/ c 17:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Tsimshian people → Tsimshian – target is redirect to current title, created by Kwami on Jun 28 2011] with no regard for PRIMARYTOPIC or UNDAB or provably stand-alone use as is the norm. Skookum1 ( talk) 05:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tsimshian/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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