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Although not directly related to trypophobia, there's fear of holes in the ozone layer, fear of black holes, and fear of holes in, for example, home or computer security, fear of drains at the bottom of pools. Google orifophobia and find fear of holes. Google booking fear of holes brings up material for this article (e.g., An African-American child expresses her fear of holes, such as the bathtub drain, [1] fear of holes in the body. [2]. Abnormal Psychology [3] says something about fear of holes, but it doesn't show in Google books. Also see human botfly (holes in human skin). -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 06:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Who coined this word? Why can't it be found in usage in e.g. a Google Books search — only a few mentions that define the word self-consciously? Why is it in WP when it has failed verification at Wiktionary? 81.157.179.37 ( talk) 23:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I am sure I am editing this wrong and I am sorry. I literately had to hold my hand over the picture to read the text. Can this please please be fixed? Boxfresh151 ( talk) 04:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
It seems unnecessary to have a image of the thing that causes the phobia, although this needs a solution such as the Arachnophobia page. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.219.171.183 (
talk) 05:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Should an image such as the one that has been moved above and hidden (click the Show button) be used to illustrate the subject or does the inclusion of such an image cause undue stress to individuals who may be affected by clusters of holes if they come to the article to find out more about the topic?
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Main Features of Diagnostic Criteria for Specific Phobia in the DSM-IV-TR:
some articles may include images ... that are relevant to the topic but that some people find objectionable. Discussion of potentially objectionable content should not focus on its offensiveness but on whether it is an appropriate image. Whether we like it or not, something causing a phobic reaction is about offense and therefore not relevant to this discussion. The image doesn't portray the phobia, doesn't add to understanding of the phobia nor does it illustrate a point in the article on the phobia. I can see no reason to include the image other than "images make articles more visually appealing" and while I would sometimes concede to that argument, since there is already objection I do not see a reason to include the image. SPACKlick ( talk) 11:34, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Unless someone can provide a valid reason why we would include an informal survey by a financial services company conducted as part of a marketing campaign, I am going to remove the ridiculous content from the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I believed the section below to be redundant. Two other sentences already state:a)that the "disorder" is not recognized in the DSM and b)that it is a "claimed phobia", not proven by science or medicine. The descriptions of beehives, etc. , are also sufficient to point out the most common type of holes believed to induce revulsion in sufferers.
"… is a claimed fear of or revulsion from clustered geometric shapes, especially small holes, [1] [2]…" Neutralmonist ( talk) 00:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
References
This is a nice source that discusses the believed reasons behind trypophobia and its relation to other phobias and the ancient subconscious ability to scan for threats. Should be useful in expanding the article. Silver seren C 06:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I officially regret creating this article. Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. ( talk) 21:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I've just come on this page after seeing a different article, and my sister and I were quite freaked out by the pictures discussed. Why is TheRedPenOfDoom so against this article existing? Just because they personally haven't experienced it? 90.206.43.205 ( talk) 00:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I myself don't experience fear when faced with repetitive geometric shapes (circles, holes, chevrons, lines, jagged holes, spikes, etc...) but rather a strange and odd compulsion to physically attack/destroy the object. I do sometimes get the "heebie geebies" however most of the time my emotional reaction could be summed up with the phrase: "aah, I just want to sand that woodgrain until it doesn't exist anymore." or "I want to stamp on the worm holes in that cluster on the ground".
Same condition? different emotional response? worthy of mention in the stub? 80.229.9.24 ( talk) 22:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
There was an open-ended HTML comment hiding half the content on this talk page. Please remember to check the preview before finalizing. 108.18.30.61 ( talk) 05:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if this is the root of button phobia since they tend to have holes in them? 86.159.192.211 ( talk) 03:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
See WP:MOS -- CFCF 🍌 ( email) 14:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Per this discussion at the Village Pump, I have moved the image in this article under a Show template, per the principle of least astonishment, as our readers are likely to be ones suffering from this condition when visiting this article. Silver seren C 21:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm removing the sentence that says, "It is not a recognized diagnosis or condition in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) or other scientific literature.
[1]
[2]
I will make the wording more clear that the word "trypophobia" that doesn't appear in the literature, however that's not to say the concept isn't accounted for in the literature. The WaPo journalist consulted a paralegal who said her therapist didn't take her fear seriously, so the journalist's statement that it's unrecognized is just his opinion and he isn't a reliable primary source on what's recognized by medical literature. On the other hand, Pop Sci did consult with multiple psychologists, but they didn't say the condition doesn't exist; they said most people self-diagnosing online probably don't have a true phobia and that the term "trypophobia" doesn't appear in the literature and they explained that
with the exception of a few terms (agoraphobia, claustrophobia and arachnophobia among them), professionals who study and treat phobias tend not to use all the Latin and Greek names that get tossed around on message boards and in the press. Martin Antony, a psychologist at Ryerson University in Toronto, past-president of the Canadian Psychological Association... wasn't surprised to hear that some people have an intense aversion to clustered holes because "people can be afraid of absolutely anything."
* By the way, of the 3 mentioned (agoraphobia, claustrophobia and arachnophobia) only agoraphobia is in the DSM-5. [3]
Trypophobia isn't named in the DSM and the ICD, because they hardly name any specific phobias individually. They group them into categories based on the ones that are the most common and give examples, but it's not meant to be an exhaustive list. According to the DSM-5, these are the groups of specific phobias and the examples they give with the equivalent ICD-10 code (F40.2xx): [3]
For example, a clinician would write the diagnosis as "F40.218 Specific phobia, animal (dogs)" or "specific phobia, B-I-I (needles)" or "specific phobia, other (clusters of holes)." By definition phobias are irrational and provoked by an object or situation that "does not objectively justify such a reaction," [4] so to imply in the WP article that any type of phobia doesn't exist, perpetuates stigma against mental illness. I don't think that was anyone's intention. I think it was just a lack of familiarity with the field, so that's why I'm over-explaining this. And also because I don't want anyone to think I'm removing this sentence because I'm somehow affiliated with the authors of the study (which I'm not). PermStrump (talk) 19:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
References
What should we do about this link? Not reputable IMO. Have removed it a few times per WP:ELNO. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
The article in the Wikipedia App shows "Of Nicki Minaj" under the header of "Trypophobia". It does not appear in the web version, and I can't figure out how to edit it (to delete it) in the app version.
162.115.236.103 ( talk) 18:08, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Although not directly related to trypophobia, there's fear of holes in the ozone layer, fear of black holes, and fear of holes in, for example, home or computer security, fear of drains at the bottom of pools. Google orifophobia and find fear of holes. Google booking fear of holes brings up material for this article (e.g., An African-American child expresses her fear of holes, such as the bathtub drain, [1] fear of holes in the body. [2]. Abnormal Psychology [3] says something about fear of holes, but it doesn't show in Google books. Also see human botfly (holes in human skin). -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 06:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Who coined this word? Why can't it be found in usage in e.g. a Google Books search — only a few mentions that define the word self-consciously? Why is it in WP when it has failed verification at Wiktionary? 81.157.179.37 ( talk) 23:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I am sure I am editing this wrong and I am sorry. I literately had to hold my hand over the picture to read the text. Can this please please be fixed? Boxfresh151 ( talk) 04:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
It seems unnecessary to have a image of the thing that causes the phobia, although this needs a solution such as the Arachnophobia page. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.219.171.183 (
talk) 05:47, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Should an image such as the one that has been moved above and hidden (click the Show button) be used to illustrate the subject or does the inclusion of such an image cause undue stress to individuals who may be affected by clusters of holes if they come to the article to find out more about the topic?
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Main Features of Diagnostic Criteria for Specific Phobia in the DSM-IV-TR:
some articles may include images ... that are relevant to the topic but that some people find objectionable. Discussion of potentially objectionable content should not focus on its offensiveness but on whether it is an appropriate image. Whether we like it or not, something causing a phobic reaction is about offense and therefore not relevant to this discussion. The image doesn't portray the phobia, doesn't add to understanding of the phobia nor does it illustrate a point in the article on the phobia. I can see no reason to include the image other than "images make articles more visually appealing" and while I would sometimes concede to that argument, since there is already objection I do not see a reason to include the image. SPACKlick ( talk) 11:34, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Unless someone can provide a valid reason why we would include an informal survey by a financial services company conducted as part of a marketing campaign, I am going to remove the ridiculous content from the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:28, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I believed the section below to be redundant. Two other sentences already state:a)that the "disorder" is not recognized in the DSM and b)that it is a "claimed phobia", not proven by science or medicine. The descriptions of beehives, etc. , are also sufficient to point out the most common type of holes believed to induce revulsion in sufferers.
"… is a claimed fear of or revulsion from clustered geometric shapes, especially small holes, [1] [2]…" Neutralmonist ( talk) 00:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
References
This is a nice source that discusses the believed reasons behind trypophobia and its relation to other phobias and the ancient subconscious ability to scan for threats. Should be useful in expanding the article. Silver seren C 06:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
I officially regret creating this article. Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. ( talk) 21:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I've just come on this page after seeing a different article, and my sister and I were quite freaked out by the pictures discussed. Why is TheRedPenOfDoom so against this article existing? Just because they personally haven't experienced it? 90.206.43.205 ( talk) 00:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I myself don't experience fear when faced with repetitive geometric shapes (circles, holes, chevrons, lines, jagged holes, spikes, etc...) but rather a strange and odd compulsion to physically attack/destroy the object. I do sometimes get the "heebie geebies" however most of the time my emotional reaction could be summed up with the phrase: "aah, I just want to sand that woodgrain until it doesn't exist anymore." or "I want to stamp on the worm holes in that cluster on the ground".
Same condition? different emotional response? worthy of mention in the stub? 80.229.9.24 ( talk) 22:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
There was an open-ended HTML comment hiding half the content on this talk page. Please remember to check the preview before finalizing. 108.18.30.61 ( talk) 05:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
I wonder if this is the root of button phobia since they tend to have holes in them? 86.159.192.211 ( talk) 03:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
See WP:MOS -- CFCF 🍌 ( email) 14:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Per this discussion at the Village Pump, I have moved the image in this article under a Show template, per the principle of least astonishment, as our readers are likely to be ones suffering from this condition when visiting this article. Silver seren C 21:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm removing the sentence that says, "It is not a recognized diagnosis or condition in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) or other scientific literature.
[1]
[2]
I will make the wording more clear that the word "trypophobia" that doesn't appear in the literature, however that's not to say the concept isn't accounted for in the literature. The WaPo journalist consulted a paralegal who said her therapist didn't take her fear seriously, so the journalist's statement that it's unrecognized is just his opinion and he isn't a reliable primary source on what's recognized by medical literature. On the other hand, Pop Sci did consult with multiple psychologists, but they didn't say the condition doesn't exist; they said most people self-diagnosing online probably don't have a true phobia and that the term "trypophobia" doesn't appear in the literature and they explained that
with the exception of a few terms (agoraphobia, claustrophobia and arachnophobia among them), professionals who study and treat phobias tend not to use all the Latin and Greek names that get tossed around on message boards and in the press. Martin Antony, a psychologist at Ryerson University in Toronto, past-president of the Canadian Psychological Association... wasn't surprised to hear that some people have an intense aversion to clustered holes because "people can be afraid of absolutely anything."
* By the way, of the 3 mentioned (agoraphobia, claustrophobia and arachnophobia) only agoraphobia is in the DSM-5. [3]
Trypophobia isn't named in the DSM and the ICD, because they hardly name any specific phobias individually. They group them into categories based on the ones that are the most common and give examples, but it's not meant to be an exhaustive list. According to the DSM-5, these are the groups of specific phobias and the examples they give with the equivalent ICD-10 code (F40.2xx): [3]
For example, a clinician would write the diagnosis as "F40.218 Specific phobia, animal (dogs)" or "specific phobia, B-I-I (needles)" or "specific phobia, other (clusters of holes)." By definition phobias are irrational and provoked by an object or situation that "does not objectively justify such a reaction," [4] so to imply in the WP article that any type of phobia doesn't exist, perpetuates stigma against mental illness. I don't think that was anyone's intention. I think it was just a lack of familiarity with the field, so that's why I'm over-explaining this. And also because I don't want anyone to think I'm removing this sentence because I'm somehow affiliated with the authors of the study (which I'm not). PermStrump (talk) 19:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
References
What should we do about this link? Not reputable IMO. Have removed it a few times per WP:ELNO. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
The article in the Wikipedia App shows "Of Nicki Minaj" under the header of "Trypophobia". It does not appear in the web version, and I can't figure out how to edit it (to delete it) in the app version.
162.115.236.103 ( talk) 18:08, 14 November 2016 (UTC)