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Given the burgeoning volume of evidence pointing to a possible Joe Biden-Ukraine scandal, I believe this subtopic warrants its own article. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 50.217.91.34 ( talk) 04:20, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
I think this topic should be deleted from the talk page 鈥 I'm not sure when it was created but as of now there is a "Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory" article, and it would therefore be an irrelevant section to add, as they are completely unrelated. JackSitilides ( talk) 18:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
This article would be more accurate if you said it was an 鈥渁lleged political scandal鈥, none of it was ever proven, and in retrospect, President Trump's assertions appear to be true. BrainiacOne ( talk) 17:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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The scandal might be known as Trumpgate, Ukrainegate, Trump-Ukrainegate, or other names. 24.46.53.73 ( talk) 01:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
The page Biden鈥揢kraine conspiracy theory is highly related to the content of this article at a number of points. I would suggest that article be linked on the words "fueled speculation" in the Background section, as that article's content is precisely what speculation was fueled, and then perhaps have a link / mention of it in the Conspiracy Theories section further downpage. Denzera ( talk) 19:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Suggestion 鈩1: I think the image of Marie Yovanovitch which is currently in the "Communications with Ukrainian officials" section should be moved to the section "Campaign against Marie Yovanovitch". The images of other people in this article are also in the respective sections about them.
Suggestion 鈩2: Use gender neutral pronouns when talking about the whistleblower(s). In some sections the whistle blower is already referred to as "they", but in some other instances "he/she" or "he" are used. The latter two should be changed to "they", imo. The non-gender neutral pronouns are in use starting from the "Whistleblower complaints" section. Here are the sentences where I've noticed it:
"the individual notified the CIA of his/her concerns, which were then relayed to the White House and Justice Department"
"Due to threats against him, the whistleblower spent several months guarded by the CIA's Security Protective Service, living in hotels and traveling with armed officers in an unmarked vehicle."
"After the whistleblower had informed the CIA's general counsel of his concerns, he grew troubled by "how that initial avenue for airing his allegations through the CIA was unfolding", according to The New York Times. He then contacted an aide" Nakonana ( talk) 00:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed, as recently as March 2024, that his July 25, 2019 phone call with Volodymr Zelenskyy was recorded, that the recording vindicates his claim of exoneration in this matter, and that his political opponents, notably California Congressman Adam Schiff, have listened to this recording and thus are lying about the nature of the call. It's not clear whether any such recording exists, but certainly no recording has ever been released to the public -- and it wasn't introduced as evidence by Trump's legal team during his impeachment or Senate trial. Still, is the fact that the man at the heart of this scandal insists, more than four years later, that an exculpatory recording exists something that should be added to this article? And if so, what is the correct way to source such a statement? It's easy to find Trump referencing it in various speeches he's made on Youtube (including one in Dayton, Ohio today), but I haven't noticed this being reported in a reputable news outlet (although certainly it may have happened without my noticing it). NME Frigate ( talk) 06:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Given the burgeoning volume of evidence pointing to a possible Joe Biden-Ukraine scandal, I believe this subtopic warrants its own article. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 50.217.91.34 ( talk) 04:20, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
I think this topic should be deleted from the talk page 鈥 I'm not sure when it was created but as of now there is a "Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory" article, and it would therefore be an irrelevant section to add, as they are completely unrelated. JackSitilides ( talk) 18:43, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
This article would be more accurate if you said it was an 鈥渁lleged political scandal鈥, none of it was ever proven, and in retrospect, President Trump's assertions appear to be true. BrainiacOne ( talk) 17:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
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The scandal might be known as Trumpgate, Ukrainegate, Trump-Ukrainegate, or other names. 24.46.53.73 ( talk) 01:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
The page Biden鈥揢kraine conspiracy theory is highly related to the content of this article at a number of points. I would suggest that article be linked on the words "fueled speculation" in the Background section, as that article's content is precisely what speculation was fueled, and then perhaps have a link / mention of it in the Conspiracy Theories section further downpage. Denzera ( talk) 19:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Suggestion 鈩1: I think the image of Marie Yovanovitch which is currently in the "Communications with Ukrainian officials" section should be moved to the section "Campaign against Marie Yovanovitch". The images of other people in this article are also in the respective sections about them.
Suggestion 鈩2: Use gender neutral pronouns when talking about the whistleblower(s). In some sections the whistle blower is already referred to as "they", but in some other instances "he/she" or "he" are used. The latter two should be changed to "they", imo. The non-gender neutral pronouns are in use starting from the "Whistleblower complaints" section. Here are the sentences where I've noticed it:
"the individual notified the CIA of his/her concerns, which were then relayed to the White House and Justice Department"
"Due to threats against him, the whistleblower spent several months guarded by the CIA's Security Protective Service, living in hotels and traveling with armed officers in an unmarked vehicle."
"After the whistleblower had informed the CIA's general counsel of his concerns, he grew troubled by "how that initial avenue for airing his allegations through the CIA was unfolding", according to The New York Times. He then contacted an aide" Nakonana ( talk) 00:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
Donald Trump has repeatedly claimed, as recently as March 2024, that his July 25, 2019 phone call with Volodymr Zelenskyy was recorded, that the recording vindicates his claim of exoneration in this matter, and that his political opponents, notably California Congressman Adam Schiff, have listened to this recording and thus are lying about the nature of the call. It's not clear whether any such recording exists, but certainly no recording has ever been released to the public -- and it wasn't introduced as evidence by Trump's legal team during his impeachment or Senate trial. Still, is the fact that the man at the heart of this scandal insists, more than four years later, that an exculpatory recording exists something that should be added to this article? And if so, what is the correct way to source such a statement? It's easy to find Trump referencing it in various speeches he's made on Youtube (including one in Dayton, Ohio today), but I haven't noticed this being reported in a reputable news outlet (although certainly it may have happened without my noticing it). NME Frigate ( talk) 06:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)