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Unless this can be expanded it should just be merged into tropical cyclone, which probably has all the relevant information already anyway. — jdorje ( talk) 17:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I think it should be merged into the Tropical cyclone scales, since it is a main article from a category of tropical cyclone, which specifically discusses the storm scales such as super typhoon. The article Tropical cyclone only has a brief description of the scales and links to the main scales article. Mtmelendez 13:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I think we should merge the catgories into the Hurricane Page as well
In this article:
discussing the impact of Typhoon Fengshen (locally, "Frank") on central and northern Philippines on June 21-22, 2008, there is mention of:
"Public storm signal number 3 (100 to 185 kilometer per hour winds) was raised in Metro Manila, Batangas, Laguna, Cavite, Rizal, Bulacan, northern Quezon, southern Aurora, Nueva Ecija, Pampanga, Bataan, Zambales, Tarlac, Pangasinan, Benguet, and La Union.
"Signal number 2 (60 to 100 kilometer per hour winds) was raised in the Mindoro provinces, Lubang sland, Marinduque, the Bondoc Peninsula, Polilio Island, the rest of Aurora, Quirino, Nueva Vizcaya, Ifugao, Mountain Province, and Ilocos Sur.
"Signal number 1 (30 to 60 kilometer per hour winds) was raised in the Calamian Group of Islands, Romblon, Camarines Norte, Isabela, Cagayan, Kalinga, Payao, Abra, and Ilocos Norte."
Is this "Public signal number x" scale specific to the Philippines? I haven't been able to locate a definition of this scale, but I think it should be added to the article when a citation is found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.76.157.84 ( talk) 15:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I tagged the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific section as unreferenced since most of it was. I may have used the wrong tag, but it gets the point across. This article can't pass GA unless each paragraph/numerical fact in the section is referenced. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Positive changes were made regarding the comments, so I won't refute the tag leaving the page. Good job. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
So, what should we do for units in this article? We have sections that have units in different orders and in different formats, with four different velocity units (m/s, kn, mph, km/h) used to spare! Right now that is a bit of a mess... Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 02:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
This news article talks about a flooding potential scale that was to be used during the 1973 Atlantic hurricane season. I've never heard of it before, though similar scales have been proposed since then. Thegreatdr ( talk) 02:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
This article has been improved a bit per recent suggestions. However, there may be a significant flaw. If Saffir-Simpson scale is covered, one or more sections should also be added for other ways to rate tropical cyclones such as Hurricane Severity Index and Accumulated cyclone energy. Such an issue could send this article back to C class and doom GA passage. Thegreatdr ( talk) 22:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, Why the page of Mediterranean tropical cyclone redirect from Tropical cyclone scales?? where is?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.131.179 ( talk) 23:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Why there is no JTWC scale? It should be added. Philippines uses that scale. We do not have to consider the "major" ones. Kiddie Techie Talk 01:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Tropical Cyclone Classifications | ||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Beaufort scale | 10-minute sustained winds (knots) | N Indian Ocean IMD |
SW Indian Ocean MF |
Australia BOM |
SW Pacific FMS |
NW Pacific JMA |
NW Pacific JTWC |
NE Pacific & N Atlantic NHC & CPHC |
0-6 | <28 | Depression | Tropical Depression | Tropical Low | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression |
7 | 28-29 | Deep Depression | ||||||
30-33 | Tropical Storm | Tropical Storm | ||||||
8-9 | 34-47 | Cyclonic Storm | Moderate Tropical Storm | Tropical Cyclone (1) | Tropical Cyclone | Tropical Storm | ||
10 | 48-55 | Severe Cyclonic Storm | Severe Tropical Storm | Tropical Cyclone (2) | Severe Tropical Storm | |||
11 | 56-63 | Typhoon | Hurricane (1) | |||||
12 | 64-72 | Very Severe Cyclonic Storm | Tropical Cyclone | Severe Tropical Cyclone (3) | Typhoon | |||
73-85 | Hurricane (2) | |||||||
86-89 | Severe Tropical Cyclone (4) | Hurricane (3) | ||||||
90-99 | Intense Tropical Cyclone | |||||||
100-106 | Hurricane (4) | |||||||
107-114 | Severe Tropical Cyclone (5) | |||||||
115-119 | Very Intense Tropical Cyclone | Super Typhoon | ||||||
120 | Super Cyclonic Storm | Hurricane (5) |
I've created this table to try and more neutrally represent things. I've added the SSHS coloration to the NHC table, which is why it is at the far right. The US 1-min speeds have been converted using a 14% reduction factor which seems standard; see the discussion on Talk:2003 Pacific typhoon season. It may be an idea to incorporate the Beaufort Scale into this table as well. What do people think?-- Nilfanion ( talk) 12:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
What about PAGASA? Do they use a similar scale to JTWC, or to JMA, or do they have their own system? I remember that they called Bilis a typhoon when everyone else called it an TS/STS. Also, we should probably drop coloring for the SSHS if we're not using for anything else since IMO it draws too much attention to the US scale, making it seem somehow more important. I've also added specifications for where the NHC and JTWC cover. — Cuivi é nen 02:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
What does China use? I was just talking to a Chinese friend about a 1-8 scale for typhoons, but that doesn't seem to be for typhoons proper. - 128.32.176.131 00:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)!
It's wrong. Sorry, I'm not a user - just a web-surfer, but the saffir-simpson scale says that Cat. 5 Hurricanes have winds greater than 157 mph. This graph says 138 mph. Someone needs to fix it.
76.108.101.22 (
talk)
17:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The following text was in the West Pacific section of the article before the rewrite, and there might be the possibility of salvaging some good info from there: Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 01:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Japan, the Philippines, Hong Kong, Canada,Macau and Taiwan use the following scale to classify tropical cyclones. This scale is also for regional exchange among Typhoon Committee members. [1]
Classification | Maximum sustained winds ( km/h) | Maximum sustained winds ( knots) | Corresponding Beaufort Force |
---|---|---|---|
Tropical Depression | ≤62 | ≤33 | Near gale (≤7) |
Tropical Storm | 63–88 | 34–47 | Gale (8–9) |
Severe Tropical Storm | 89–117 | 48–63 | Storm (10–11) |
Typhoon | ≥118 | ≥64 | Hurricane (12) |
Note:
References
I've just noticed that the article doen't mentioned the Chinese systme (similar to the JTWC one). Details at http://www.weather.com.cn/typhoon/tfzs/04/397393.shtml (in Chinese).-- Charlesisbozo ( talk) 14:49, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
It needs to be added that "Extremely severe cyclonic storm" was introduced, I believe this year. Someone with more knowledge on the scales ( anyone?) would be able to help. Thanks :D ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tropical cyclone scales/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Much improved; needs a final copyedit and formulae describing how to convert from 10-minute winds to 3-minute winds and 1-minute winds and vice versa for A-Class. Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 07:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC) |
Last edited at 07:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 09:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Why in the world are the values on this page backwards? SI notation is the world standard, not American imperial.
I don't think that such language is necessary. You just might want to calm down a bit before you type. Princessthayet ( talk) 02:01, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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Im unsure if you guys notice this but the mph and km/h wind speeds are a bit messed up
you might notice it going form 102–117 km/h to suddenly 119–131 km/h
i know its form converting the kt to mph/km/h but come one it looks just wrong... it might be best to to put km/h first and convert it to mph and kt to not make it skip the wind speed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshoctober16 ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Does anybody here know what wind scale is used in the South Atlantic Ocean? I was contemplating adding a section for South Atlantic, but I first need corroborated information before doing so. SilSinn9821 ( talk) 01:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
The first section in this talk page,
#Chinese Scale, is eerily empty. What happened to its contents? Should it be removed altogether or have its original contents somehow restored? --
SilSinn9821 (
talk)
01:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
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Unless this can be expanded it should just be merged into tropical cyclone, which probably has all the relevant information already anyway. — jdorje ( talk) 17:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I think it should be merged into the Tropical cyclone scales, since it is a main article from a category of tropical cyclone, which specifically discusses the storm scales such as super typhoon. The article Tropical cyclone only has a brief description of the scales and links to the main scales article. Mtmelendez 13:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I think we should merge the catgories into the Hurricane Page as well
In this article:
discussing the impact of Typhoon Fengshen (locally, "Frank") on central and northern Philippines on June 21-22, 2008, there is mention of:
"Public storm signal number 3 (100 to 185 kilometer per hour winds) was raised in Metro Manila, Batangas, Laguna, Cavite, Rizal, Bulacan, northern Quezon, southern Aurora, Nueva Ecija, Pampanga, Bataan, Zambales, Tarlac, Pangasinan, Benguet, and La Union.
"Signal number 2 (60 to 100 kilometer per hour winds) was raised in the Mindoro provinces, Lubang sland, Marinduque, the Bondoc Peninsula, Polilio Island, the rest of Aurora, Quirino, Nueva Vizcaya, Ifugao, Mountain Province, and Ilocos Sur.
"Signal number 1 (30 to 60 kilometer per hour winds) was raised in the Calamian Group of Islands, Romblon, Camarines Norte, Isabela, Cagayan, Kalinga, Payao, Abra, and Ilocos Norte."
Is this "Public signal number x" scale specific to the Philippines? I haven't been able to locate a definition of this scale, but I think it should be added to the article when a citation is found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.76.157.84 ( talk) 15:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
I tagged the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific section as unreferenced since most of it was. I may have used the wrong tag, but it gets the point across. This article can't pass GA unless each paragraph/numerical fact in the section is referenced. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Positive changes were made regarding the comments, so I won't refute the tag leaving the page. Good job. Thegreatdr ( talk) 16:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
So, what should we do for units in this article? We have sections that have units in different orders and in different formats, with four different velocity units (m/s, kn, mph, km/h) used to spare! Right now that is a bit of a mess... Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 02:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
This news article talks about a flooding potential scale that was to be used during the 1973 Atlantic hurricane season. I've never heard of it before, though similar scales have been proposed since then. Thegreatdr ( talk) 02:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
This article has been improved a bit per recent suggestions. However, there may be a significant flaw. If Saffir-Simpson scale is covered, one or more sections should also be added for other ways to rate tropical cyclones such as Hurricane Severity Index and Accumulated cyclone energy. Such an issue could send this article back to C class and doom GA passage. Thegreatdr ( talk) 22:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, Why the page of Mediterranean tropical cyclone redirect from Tropical cyclone scales?? where is?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.60.131.179 ( talk) 23:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Why there is no JTWC scale? It should be added. Philippines uses that scale. We do not have to consider the "major" ones. Kiddie Techie Talk 01:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Tropical Cyclone Classifications | ||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Beaufort scale | 10-minute sustained winds (knots) | N Indian Ocean IMD |
SW Indian Ocean MF |
Australia BOM |
SW Pacific FMS |
NW Pacific JMA |
NW Pacific JTWC |
NE Pacific & N Atlantic NHC & CPHC |
0-6 | <28 | Depression | Tropical Depression | Tropical Low | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression | Tropical Depression |
7 | 28-29 | Deep Depression | ||||||
30-33 | Tropical Storm | Tropical Storm | ||||||
8-9 | 34-47 | Cyclonic Storm | Moderate Tropical Storm | Tropical Cyclone (1) | Tropical Cyclone | Tropical Storm | ||
10 | 48-55 | Severe Cyclonic Storm | Severe Tropical Storm | Tropical Cyclone (2) | Severe Tropical Storm | |||
11 | 56-63 | Typhoon | Hurricane (1) | |||||
12 | 64-72 | Very Severe Cyclonic Storm | Tropical Cyclone | Severe Tropical Cyclone (3) | Typhoon | |||
73-85 | Hurricane (2) | |||||||
86-89 | Severe Tropical Cyclone (4) | Hurricane (3) | ||||||
90-99 | Intense Tropical Cyclone | |||||||
100-106 | Hurricane (4) | |||||||
107-114 | Severe Tropical Cyclone (5) | |||||||
115-119 | Very Intense Tropical Cyclone | Super Typhoon | ||||||
120 | Super Cyclonic Storm | Hurricane (5) |
I've created this table to try and more neutrally represent things. I've added the SSHS coloration to the NHC table, which is why it is at the far right. The US 1-min speeds have been converted using a 14% reduction factor which seems standard; see the discussion on Talk:2003 Pacific typhoon season. It may be an idea to incorporate the Beaufort Scale into this table as well. What do people think?-- Nilfanion ( talk) 12:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
What about PAGASA? Do they use a similar scale to JTWC, or to JMA, or do they have their own system? I remember that they called Bilis a typhoon when everyone else called it an TS/STS. Also, we should probably drop coloring for the SSHS if we're not using for anything else since IMO it draws too much attention to the US scale, making it seem somehow more important. I've also added specifications for where the NHC and JTWC cover. — Cuivi é nen 02:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
What does China use? I was just talking to a Chinese friend about a 1-8 scale for typhoons, but that doesn't seem to be for typhoons proper. - 128.32.176.131 00:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)!
It's wrong. Sorry, I'm not a user - just a web-surfer, but the saffir-simpson scale says that Cat. 5 Hurricanes have winds greater than 157 mph. This graph says 138 mph. Someone needs to fix it.
76.108.101.22 (
talk)
17:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The following text was in the West Pacific section of the article before the rewrite, and there might be the possibility of salvaging some good info from there: Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 01:32, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Japan, the Philippines, Hong Kong, Canada,Macau and Taiwan use the following scale to classify tropical cyclones. This scale is also for regional exchange among Typhoon Committee members. [1]
Classification | Maximum sustained winds ( km/h) | Maximum sustained winds ( knots) | Corresponding Beaufort Force |
---|---|---|---|
Tropical Depression | ≤62 | ≤33 | Near gale (≤7) |
Tropical Storm | 63–88 | 34–47 | Gale (8–9) |
Severe Tropical Storm | 89–117 | 48–63 | Storm (10–11) |
Typhoon | ≥118 | ≥64 | Hurricane (12) |
Note:
References
I've just noticed that the article doen't mentioned the Chinese systme (similar to the JTWC one). Details at http://www.weather.com.cn/typhoon/tfzs/04/397393.shtml (in Chinese).-- Charlesisbozo ( talk) 14:49, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
It needs to be added that "Extremely severe cyclonic storm" was introduced, I believe this year. Someone with more knowledge on the scales ( anyone?) would be able to help. Thanks :D ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tropical cyclone scales/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Much improved; needs a final copyedit and formulae describing how to convert from 10-minute winds to 3-minute winds and 1-minute winds and vice versa for A-Class. Titoxd( ?!? - cool stuff) 07:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC) |
Last edited at 07:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 09:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Why in the world are the values on this page backwards? SI notation is the world standard, not American imperial.
I don't think that such language is necessary. You just might want to calm down a bit before you type. Princessthayet ( talk) 02:01, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
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Im unsure if you guys notice this but the mph and km/h wind speeds are a bit messed up
you might notice it going form 102–117 km/h to suddenly 119–131 km/h
i know its form converting the kt to mph/km/h but come one it looks just wrong... it might be best to to put km/h first and convert it to mph and kt to not make it skip the wind speed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshoctober16 ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Does anybody here know what wind scale is used in the South Atlantic Ocean? I was contemplating adding a section for South Atlantic, but I first need corroborated information before doing so. SilSinn9821 ( talk) 01:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
The first section in this talk page,
#Chinese Scale, is eerily empty. What happened to its contents? Should it be removed altogether or have its original contents somehow restored? --
SilSinn9821 (
talk)
01:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC)