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NYTimes says Floridians aren't preparing well, for a number of reasons. Let's hope the story doesn't become very relevant. Plasticup T/ C 15:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Hurricane Fay is humorously similar in direction and habit to screw-it-let's-just-trash-florida-again from the xkcd comic upcoming hurricanes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.204.10 ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
23 people were killed in DR in a bus accident due to the rains of Fay. I added them to the death count. I'm not sure if these deaths would be direct or indirect: I guessed indirect. And I really couldn't figure out how to make the refs as fancy as the other ones, but their there in any case. 24.224.188.118 ( talk) 23:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Tropical storm (SSHWS/NWS) | |
File:Fay 19 August 2008.jpg | |
Formed | August 15, 2008 |
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Dissipated | Still Active |
Highest winds |
1-minute sustained: 65 mph (100 km/h) |
Lowest pressure | 986 mbar ( hPa); 29.12 inHg |
Fatalities | 14 direct, 1 indirect |
Areas affected | Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba , Florida |
Part of the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season |
Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 10:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC) (minor changes) Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 17:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it a bit early for all this? We won't be needing it for several days yet, and when we do we can easily draw it up in about 90 seconds. Plasticup T/ C 18:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add to the article that this system was tracked for several days as NHC Invest that many in the meteorological press (such as Wunderground's Jeff Masters) dubbed "The Joker" due to it's quirkiness? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.119.40 ( talk) 19:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Under the Importance guidelines which are located Here it is rated as a High Class as at least 117 people have died Jason Rees ( talk) 20:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Why don't people wait to write articles like this until after the storm is over? It seems ridiculous that people need to keep updating it as the storm progresses. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not an ongoing weather report, right? 209.247.22.166 ( talk) 17:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
The Wall Street Journal give a high level overview. It also estimates only 14 deaths. Plasticup T/ C 12:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Source 25 says an accurate count was impossible and the number of bodies so far is 3. The 30 was classified as a mistake if I read it correctly. Also I find it suspicious that the same river got 30 and 50. I think these are the same accident and the total deaths counted as '80' in the article is in fact 3 with an unknown number missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.33.111.74 ( talk) 16:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Does this article really need a table listing every single possible tornado? Seems like way too much detail for an encyclopedia article. 4.154.3.138 ( talk) 23:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I live in Daytona Beach, Florida, and started to upload some photos to Wikimedia. Not much to see as yet. Gamweb ( talk) 08:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tropical_Storm_Fay_(2008)
I added an image from Merritt Island - if anyone wants me to upload more, email me please, thanks. KillerChihuahua ?!? 17:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a link to the US Navy Meteorology & Oceanography Tropical Support Center. Since the Navy is a branch of the US Government, you should be able to have free use of any of their images. There is an archive of "warning maps" going back about 8 years on that site. Gamweb ( talk) 18:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
http://www.local6.com/weather/17244086/detail.html?1 Gamweb ( talk) 05:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
"a tornado was reported on Big Coppitt Key, where some trees were knocked down." - I removed this as it is most likely subtle vandalism. My first impulse was to remove it without comment, but figured I'd better check to see if this was reported and the author simply forgot a reference. However, I could not find a reference for this.
This points out the extra vigilence we need to have on current events to insist on sources as the frequent edits, especially if they sound "plausible" can make Wikipedia look stuipd and our saving grace is to remember that Wikipedia is a tertiary source that needs to rely on reliable sources not primary sources or "I heard that" news. -- Trödel 19:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
From someone who lives in Central Florida and regards wiki to be my sanctuary for hurricane info, this article hasn't even touched on the rainfall impact that this storm as had on the region. This rainmaker has been here for 3 days going on 4 and poor Melbourne has gotten over 30+ inches of rain. Try the Orlando Sentinel's web page or even TWC's page for some info on the damage and photos of submerged cars and fallen trees. Fay is a freak of nature to all of us here cause she will not go away and the public here is absolutely gone mad because of it. Just about two hours ago the strongest winds of the storm came through Orlando and surrounding areas, however, we have been dealing with the storm for 72+ hours. Altarboy420 ( talk) 00:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
60 Homes flooded in Volusia County: http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/frtHEAD01CANE082208.htm Gamweb ( talk) 15:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Areas just to the east of Tallahassee, FL have the possibility to join Melbourne in the 30 inch rainfall club. There are already radar estimates of almost two feet of rain, with rainfall rates over 4 inches per hour as the storms are training constantly, and the forecast shows another foot of rain to fall by the time fay leave Florida alone. Also, Melbourne may pass the three foot mark, the edges of Fay, outer bands, have been dumping more rain over south/central Florida, some with rainfall rates of 2 inches per hour. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 19:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Fay must have broken some kind of record by now, for instance its about to move out and hit the state for a 3rd time, i cant think of a storm that impacted 3 times on the same state. Also the rainfall must be records highs for florida. Anyway, i cant find any records but im not looking hard enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.32.27 ( talk) 02:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Could the impact be worth of a seperate article yet? I think so... its on my sandbox Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 15:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
2) There is enough infomation on the impact to create 1 - we know most things OR we could split the impact to the different areas. Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 17:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080823/ap_on_re_us/tropical_weather_fay Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 19:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
http://www.wfxl.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=179455 Rvk41 ( talk) 02:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Uh... guys where is it. I can't find any sources so HELP! Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 10:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
What's with the sharp turn being predicted at Louisiana? Assuming it's not some bizarre joke somewhere, what could make the storm make that kind of turn?-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 15:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Can we had the offical template for TS Fay now since it is a remnant low? ( Hurricaneguy ( talk) 20:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC))
Fay now holds another record, most tornadoes spawned by a Tropical Storm (not hurricane) with 41 tornadoes since it hit the Florida Keys. The number of confirmed is not high enough to require it's own article but it's a big note for this storm. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 23:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that if there is an EF3, more than 3 EF2's, or >50 total, it gets it's own article. For now, there's not many that have been confirmed. I've only seen 5 confirmed, 1 EF2, 4 EF0. There are probably others but I haven't seen them. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 00:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Right now I have found 16 Fay-related tornadoes (1 EF2, 10 EF1's and 5 EF0's) and no fatalities (only three injuries) which does not warrant an article using the Severe Weather project standards. CrazyC83 ( talk) 00:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
The TCR suggested there were over 80 Fay-related tornadoes, which would clearly warrant a separate article (my count from NCDC archives was 49 which is borderline). Should an article be created? CrazyC83 ( talk) 04:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Since the circulation dissipated on the 28th, and the rainfall files were available the 29th, work has continued on the spreadsheet. The graphic was being drawn up this afternoon, but due to the density of observations, it only was 1/5 complete by the time I left (even after staying over.) Expect the graphics done in the morning, with the web page up in the afternoon. Thegreatdr ( talk) 01:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Preps/aftermath, damage total, cites for everything. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 02:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
This is just a question: do you think it could become the next Allison and be retired? I read somewhere on this page that it killed 114 people. You should make a Fay death toll template that proves it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.253.110 ( talk) 13:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no damage amount avaliable in Florida? Fay most certainly caused severe damage in Florida, but why isn't a specific cost shown? Was the storm so wet for the state that the damage total will not be known fore sure, but was extreme? Are some areas not able to be reached due to the flooding caused by Fay? I wanted an answer of why the damage total in Florida remains unknown.
When will this report come out? Later this month? October? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.163.233 ( talk) 00:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh. Hurricane Felix's damage report didn't get out until spring of 2008 as well, so it must be hard to calculate the damage total. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.183.151 ( talk) 19:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't mean damage can't be hard to estimate. Many areas in Florida got about 30 to even 40 inches of rain from Fay, so some areas can be hard to reach. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the damage bill into the billions of dollars, seeing how many homes were destroyed and how many trees and power lines were downed. It was like Tropical Storm Allison for the entire state of Florida. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.209.99 ( talk) 06:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
The damage report has came out, at least 180 million in damage. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 15:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
This storm has caused at least 180 million dollars in damage. I'm not sure if it will be retired, but could we give this storm the main article? It appears to be a very destructive storm. The damage was only estimated to be at least 180 million, so it could be higher than that. True, 180 million in damage appears low, but for a tropical storm, it's pretty impressive. Should we move the page to Tropical Storm Fay? 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 15:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying the name Fay will be retired; i'm saying it's likely. 180 million in damage is the least possible number it cam be. Therefore, that can't be an overestimate, but it could be an underestimate. Fay is the third most destructive tropical storm on record in the Atlantic Basin, behind 2001's Allison and 1979's Claudette. It's not everyday you see a Tropical Storm do 1/5 of a billion dollars in damage or greater. I think Fay has about as much of a chance of retirement as Dolly and Hanna this year as well. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 15:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, forget that. Still, 180 million was most likely an underestimate. By the way, Ernesto and Gabrielle reached Hurricane Status. I was just saying Fay would be one of the most destructive Atlantic storms that never reached it, whether or not their impacts were as a tropical storm only. I highly doubt that 180 million was the actual damage toll. My biggest estimate would be Dolly's damage toll: 1.5 billion. I think damage was somwhere around 1 billion. Since the NHC doubles the estimates as overall damage, 360 million should be put down for damage, not 180 million. Even 360 million could be too low. The biggest total damage from my perspective is at least half a billion. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 16:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I guess you're right. We should wait until the final damage report has been released. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 18:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
1.80 billion sounds more reasanadle. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 21:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, this conversation is not constructive towards the article and should be discontinued. If you want to continue this conversation please talk at hurricanes.wikia Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 00:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
No, we can discuss about this later when the official damage total comes out. Now is not the time for this. Assuming Fay's damage being 1 billion or so is violating the WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOR laws. We will wait until the official damage report has come until discussing about this. 99.52.153.15 ( talk) 16:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
That's not the NHC's total, which is what matters. We'll wait still. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 22:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I guess so, although I doubt it actually caused that much damage. 76.236.191.27 ( talk) 05:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, the TCR just came out, and it looks like Fay missed the $1 billion mark. I don't think Fay will be retiried, although it isn't completely out of the question. ANDROS1337 01:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Why are there citation needed signs in the records section of this article? It doesn't need any citation because there is a place to back it up, which are in the main article for this season. Why is there citation? 76.235.217.70 ( talk) 17:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, okay, but Fay was one of the wettest single tropical storms for the southeastern U.S. (not the wettest, but one of the wettest). Also, I can't find any other Tropical Storm exept Nicholas of ' 03 and Laura of ' 71 with a higher ACE than Fay, so I don't think there needs to be any citation there. 76.235.217.70 ( talk) 13:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, it's just that I can't find any storms other than Nicholas of 2003 and Laura of 1971 with a higher ACE than Fay, but I can't find any reference to back it up. Also, I have found only a few storms that were wetter than Fay for the southeastern U.S. but that is just origional research and should be removed. Do you know a possible reference to back up the ACE of Fay? 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 03:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
And Fay was one of them. It had an ACE of 6.72, being the third highest of any Tropical Storm in the Atlantic (that didn't reach hurricane strength), behind Laura of 71 and Nicholas of 03. 3rd place is notable, in my perspective, at least. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 15:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I know, but I can't find a reference on that, and I wanted to know if someone else can. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 22:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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NYTimes says Floridians aren't preparing well, for a number of reasons. Let's hope the story doesn't become very relevant. Plasticup T/ C 15:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Hurricane Fay is humorously similar in direction and habit to screw-it-let's-just-trash-florida-again from the xkcd comic upcoming hurricanes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.204.10 ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
23 people were killed in DR in a bus accident due to the rains of Fay. I added them to the death count. I'm not sure if these deaths would be direct or indirect: I guessed indirect. And I really couldn't figure out how to make the refs as fancy as the other ones, but their there in any case. 24.224.188.118 ( talk) 23:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Tropical storm (SSHWS/NWS) | |
File:Fay 19 August 2008.jpg | |
Formed | August 15, 2008 |
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Dissipated | Still Active |
Highest winds |
1-minute sustained: 65 mph (100 km/h) |
Lowest pressure | 986 mbar ( hPa); 29.12 inHg |
Fatalities | 14 direct, 1 indirect |
Areas affected | Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba , Florida |
Part of the 2008 Atlantic hurricane season |
Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 10:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC) (minor changes) Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 17:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it a bit early for all this? We won't be needing it for several days yet, and when we do we can easily draw it up in about 90 seconds. Plasticup T/ C 18:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to add to the article that this system was tracked for several days as NHC Invest that many in the meteorological press (such as Wunderground's Jeff Masters) dubbed "The Joker" due to it's quirkiness? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.119.40 ( talk) 19:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Under the Importance guidelines which are located Here it is rated as a High Class as at least 117 people have died Jason Rees ( talk) 20:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Why don't people wait to write articles like this until after the storm is over? It seems ridiculous that people need to keep updating it as the storm progresses. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not an ongoing weather report, right? 209.247.22.166 ( talk) 17:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
The Wall Street Journal give a high level overview. It also estimates only 14 deaths. Plasticup T/ C 12:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Source 25 says an accurate count was impossible and the number of bodies so far is 3. The 30 was classified as a mistake if I read it correctly. Also I find it suspicious that the same river got 30 and 50. I think these are the same accident and the total deaths counted as '80' in the article is in fact 3 with an unknown number missing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.33.111.74 ( talk) 16:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Does this article really need a table listing every single possible tornado? Seems like way too much detail for an encyclopedia article. 4.154.3.138 ( talk) 23:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I live in Daytona Beach, Florida, and started to upload some photos to Wikimedia. Not much to see as yet. Gamweb ( talk) 08:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tropical_Storm_Fay_(2008)
I added an image from Merritt Island - if anyone wants me to upload more, email me please, thanks. KillerChihuahua ?!? 17:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I added a link to the US Navy Meteorology & Oceanography Tropical Support Center. Since the Navy is a branch of the US Government, you should be able to have free use of any of their images. There is an archive of "warning maps" going back about 8 years on that site. Gamweb ( talk) 18:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
http://www.local6.com/weather/17244086/detail.html?1 Gamweb ( talk) 05:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
"a tornado was reported on Big Coppitt Key, where some trees were knocked down." - I removed this as it is most likely subtle vandalism. My first impulse was to remove it without comment, but figured I'd better check to see if this was reported and the author simply forgot a reference. However, I could not find a reference for this.
This points out the extra vigilence we need to have on current events to insist on sources as the frequent edits, especially if they sound "plausible" can make Wikipedia look stuipd and our saving grace is to remember that Wikipedia is a tertiary source that needs to rely on reliable sources not primary sources or "I heard that" news. -- Trödel 19:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
From someone who lives in Central Florida and regards wiki to be my sanctuary for hurricane info, this article hasn't even touched on the rainfall impact that this storm as had on the region. This rainmaker has been here for 3 days going on 4 and poor Melbourne has gotten over 30+ inches of rain. Try the Orlando Sentinel's web page or even TWC's page for some info on the damage and photos of submerged cars and fallen trees. Fay is a freak of nature to all of us here cause she will not go away and the public here is absolutely gone mad because of it. Just about two hours ago the strongest winds of the storm came through Orlando and surrounding areas, however, we have been dealing with the storm for 72+ hours. Altarboy420 ( talk) 00:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
60 Homes flooded in Volusia County: http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/frtHEAD01CANE082208.htm Gamweb ( talk) 15:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Areas just to the east of Tallahassee, FL have the possibility to join Melbourne in the 30 inch rainfall club. There are already radar estimates of almost two feet of rain, with rainfall rates over 4 inches per hour as the storms are training constantly, and the forecast shows another foot of rain to fall by the time fay leave Florida alone. Also, Melbourne may pass the three foot mark, the edges of Fay, outer bands, have been dumping more rain over south/central Florida, some with rainfall rates of 2 inches per hour. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 19:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Fay must have broken some kind of record by now, for instance its about to move out and hit the state for a 3rd time, i cant think of a storm that impacted 3 times on the same state. Also the rainfall must be records highs for florida. Anyway, i cant find any records but im not looking hard enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.32.27 ( talk) 02:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Could the impact be worth of a seperate article yet? I think so... its on my sandbox Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 15:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
2) There is enough infomation on the impact to create 1 - we know most things OR we could split the impact to the different areas. Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 17:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080823/ap_on_re_us/tropical_weather_fay Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 19:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
http://www.wfxl.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=179455 Rvk41 ( talk) 02:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Uh... guys where is it. I can't find any sources so HELP! Itfc+canes=me ( talk) 10:41, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
What's with the sharp turn being predicted at Louisiana? Assuming it's not some bizarre joke somewhere, what could make the storm make that kind of turn?-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 15:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Can we had the offical template for TS Fay now since it is a remnant low? ( Hurricaneguy ( talk) 20:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC))
Fay now holds another record, most tornadoes spawned by a Tropical Storm (not hurricane) with 41 tornadoes since it hit the Florida Keys. The number of confirmed is not high enough to require it's own article but it's a big note for this storm. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 23:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I think that if there is an EF3, more than 3 EF2's, or >50 total, it gets it's own article. For now, there's not many that have been confirmed. I've only seen 5 confirmed, 1 EF2, 4 EF0. There are probably others but I haven't seen them. Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 00:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Right now I have found 16 Fay-related tornadoes (1 EF2, 10 EF1's and 5 EF0's) and no fatalities (only three injuries) which does not warrant an article using the Severe Weather project standards. CrazyC83 ( talk) 00:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
The TCR suggested there were over 80 Fay-related tornadoes, which would clearly warrant a separate article (my count from NCDC archives was 49 which is borderline). Should an article be created? CrazyC83 ( talk) 04:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Since the circulation dissipated on the 28th, and the rainfall files were available the 29th, work has continued on the spreadsheet. The graphic was being drawn up this afternoon, but due to the density of observations, it only was 1/5 complete by the time I left (even after staying over.) Expect the graphics done in the morning, with the web page up in the afternoon. Thegreatdr ( talk) 01:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Preps/aftermath, damage total, cites for everything. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 02:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
This is just a question: do you think it could become the next Allison and be retired? I read somewhere on this page that it killed 114 people. You should make a Fay death toll template that proves it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.253.110 ( talk) 13:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no damage amount avaliable in Florida? Fay most certainly caused severe damage in Florida, but why isn't a specific cost shown? Was the storm so wet for the state that the damage total will not be known fore sure, but was extreme? Are some areas not able to be reached due to the flooding caused by Fay? I wanted an answer of why the damage total in Florida remains unknown.
When will this report come out? Later this month? October? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.163.233 ( talk) 00:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh. Hurricane Felix's damage report didn't get out until spring of 2008 as well, so it must be hard to calculate the damage total. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.183.151 ( talk) 19:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't mean damage can't be hard to estimate. Many areas in Florida got about 30 to even 40 inches of rain from Fay, so some areas can be hard to reach. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the damage bill into the billions of dollars, seeing how many homes were destroyed and how many trees and power lines were downed. It was like Tropical Storm Allison for the entire state of Florida. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.209.99 ( talk) 06:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
The damage report has came out, at least 180 million in damage. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 15:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
This storm has caused at least 180 million dollars in damage. I'm not sure if it will be retired, but could we give this storm the main article? It appears to be a very destructive storm. The damage was only estimated to be at least 180 million, so it could be higher than that. True, 180 million in damage appears low, but for a tropical storm, it's pretty impressive. Should we move the page to Tropical Storm Fay? 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 15:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not saying the name Fay will be retired; i'm saying it's likely. 180 million in damage is the least possible number it cam be. Therefore, that can't be an overestimate, but it could be an underestimate. Fay is the third most destructive tropical storm on record in the Atlantic Basin, behind 2001's Allison and 1979's Claudette. It's not everyday you see a Tropical Storm do 1/5 of a billion dollars in damage or greater. I think Fay has about as much of a chance of retirement as Dolly and Hanna this year as well. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 15:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, forget that. Still, 180 million was most likely an underestimate. By the way, Ernesto and Gabrielle reached Hurricane Status. I was just saying Fay would be one of the most destructive Atlantic storms that never reached it, whether or not their impacts were as a tropical storm only. I highly doubt that 180 million was the actual damage toll. My biggest estimate would be Dolly's damage toll: 1.5 billion. I think damage was somwhere around 1 billion. Since the NHC doubles the estimates as overall damage, 360 million should be put down for damage, not 180 million. Even 360 million could be too low. The biggest total damage from my perspective is at least half a billion. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 16:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I guess you're right. We should wait until the final damage report has been released. 76.236.187.191 ( talk) 18:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
1.80 billion sounds more reasanadle. Leave Message , Yellow Evan home , Sandbox[ 21:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, this conversation is not constructive towards the article and should be discontinued. If you want to continue this conversation please talk at hurricanes.wikia Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 00:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
No, we can discuss about this later when the official damage total comes out. Now is not the time for this. Assuming Fay's damage being 1 billion or so is violating the WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOR laws. We will wait until the official damage report has come until discussing about this. 99.52.153.15 ( talk) 16:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
That's not the NHC's total, which is what matters. We'll wait still. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 22:05, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
I guess so, although I doubt it actually caused that much damage. 76.236.191.27 ( talk) 05:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, the TCR just came out, and it looks like Fay missed the $1 billion mark. I don't think Fay will be retiried, although it isn't completely out of the question. ANDROS1337 01:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Why are there citation needed signs in the records section of this article? It doesn't need any citation because there is a place to back it up, which are in the main article for this season. Why is there citation? 76.235.217.70 ( talk) 17:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Well, okay, but Fay was one of the wettest single tropical storms for the southeastern U.S. (not the wettest, but one of the wettest). Also, I can't find any other Tropical Storm exept Nicholas of ' 03 and Laura of ' 71 with a higher ACE than Fay, so I don't think there needs to be any citation there. 76.235.217.70 ( talk) 13:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, it's just that I can't find any storms other than Nicholas of 2003 and Laura of 1971 with a higher ACE than Fay, but I can't find any reference to back it up. Also, I have found only a few storms that were wetter than Fay for the southeastern U.S. but that is just origional research and should be removed. Do you know a possible reference to back up the ACE of Fay? 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 03:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
And Fay was one of them. It had an ACE of 6.72, being the third highest of any Tropical Storm in the Atlantic (that didn't reach hurricane strength), behind Laura of 71 and Nicholas of 03. 3rd place is notable, in my perspective, at least. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 15:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I know, but I can't find a reference on that, and I wanted to know if someone else can. 76.235.165.167 ( talk) 22:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
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