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Should this even be included? No disrespect intended, but is this verifiable/noteworthy? It reads like original/POV material? I trimmed a little but will not remove unless there is more feedback. Thanks! -- Tom 18:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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After having read through this article, I have to say that this article has a whole host of problems.
I apologize that I cannot give more specific commentary, but so much is lacking in this article, and I can't comment on it if it doesn't exist. This article needs almost a complete revamping before it would be ready for GA Status and, for that reason, I am going to fail the article at this point. When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a Good article reassessment. Thank you for your work so far. Cheers, CP 02:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
For those who have followed Trond Øgrim's activities for a lifetime, the following events were easy to predict. Few months after Øgrim appoints himself to Wikipedia magnitude in Norway, a series of articles about the great men of communism appear on the front page of Norwegian Wikipedia (screenshot on the left).
One topic is the world's biggest murderer – and Øgrim's ideological guiding star – Mao Tse Tung. On Norwegian Wikipedia we can read the objective hero's-tale:
"Mao has the honor of creating a (nearly) united China without foreign influence."
The Wikipedia article goes on praising Mao;
"Mao is sometimes referred to as the great four: great teacher, great leader, great general, great helmsman (...) Mao is still very popular in China. One remembers that under his leadership, there was laid to grounds a series of public welfare measures, amongst others – free school, free health service, guarantee of work. Poverty went down, the widespread analphabetism was heavily reduced in short time and the average age rose. A large part of the appreciation that the Chinese have to Mao (...)"
Mao's well directed famine that took the lives of tens of millions of Chinese is explained as famine caused nearly forceful but necessary confiscation of the Chinese farmers` harvests.
While Mao's genocide nearly was a great man's neccessary action, Hitler's crimes were comitted by none more than a villain. This despite the fact that Mao killed about 10 times as many people.
The fact that Trond Øgrim finds 58 million dead Chinese (who aren't even mentioned in Wikipedia's text about Mao) far less problematic than 6 million dead Jews is not surprising and reflects only his deranged view on humanity. To normal people without political social dysfunction, genocide is an objectionable action, independent of numbers or how «neccessary» or «practical» the genocide was carried out.
That Wikipedia's pseudo official standpoint now contains a revisionistic view on Chinese history make up more than an academic problem in that Wikipedia in its alliance with Øgrim and his murderers becomes a worthless encyclopedia.
For who would have faith in an encyclopedia about European history written by Vidkun Quisling? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredviking ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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Should this even be included? No disrespect intended, but is this verifiable/noteworthy? It reads like original/POV material? I trimmed a little but will not remove unless there is more feedback. Thanks! -- Tom 18:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
After having read through this article, I have to say that this article has a whole host of problems.
I apologize that I cannot give more specific commentary, but so much is lacking in this article, and I can't comment on it if it doesn't exist. This article needs almost a complete revamping before it would be ready for GA Status and, for that reason, I am going to fail the article at this point. When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a Good article reassessment. Thank you for your work so far. Cheers, CP 02:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
For those who have followed Trond Øgrim's activities for a lifetime, the following events were easy to predict. Few months after Øgrim appoints himself to Wikipedia magnitude in Norway, a series of articles about the great men of communism appear on the front page of Norwegian Wikipedia (screenshot on the left).
One topic is the world's biggest murderer – and Øgrim's ideological guiding star – Mao Tse Tung. On Norwegian Wikipedia we can read the objective hero's-tale:
"Mao has the honor of creating a (nearly) united China without foreign influence."
The Wikipedia article goes on praising Mao;
"Mao is sometimes referred to as the great four: great teacher, great leader, great general, great helmsman (...) Mao is still very popular in China. One remembers that under his leadership, there was laid to grounds a series of public welfare measures, amongst others – free school, free health service, guarantee of work. Poverty went down, the widespread analphabetism was heavily reduced in short time and the average age rose. A large part of the appreciation that the Chinese have to Mao (...)"
Mao's well directed famine that took the lives of tens of millions of Chinese is explained as famine caused nearly forceful but necessary confiscation of the Chinese farmers` harvests.
While Mao's genocide nearly was a great man's neccessary action, Hitler's crimes were comitted by none more than a villain. This despite the fact that Mao killed about 10 times as many people.
The fact that Trond Øgrim finds 58 million dead Chinese (who aren't even mentioned in Wikipedia's text about Mao) far less problematic than 6 million dead Jews is not surprising and reflects only his deranged view on humanity. To normal people without political social dysfunction, genocide is an objectionable action, independent of numbers or how «neccessary» or «practical» the genocide was carried out.
That Wikipedia's pseudo official standpoint now contains a revisionistic view on Chinese history make up more than an academic problem in that Wikipedia in its alliance with Øgrim and his murderers becomes a worthless encyclopedia.
For who would have faith in an encyclopedia about European history written by Vidkun Quisling? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredviking ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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