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Pre-wagner the name was Tristram. Every piece of artwork, poem, writing and even recreated round tables hold the Tristram name and not Tristan. No mention of the Falklands naval vessel Sir Tristram or the race horse Sir Tristram in references. Tristan is a relatively common family name compared to Tristram, which is far rarer. the lead name for the article should be Tristram, not Tristan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.169.48.220 ( talk) 10:35, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
This article is fairly detailed. Shall we drop the {{stub}} now? -- llywrch 19:12, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In the article it says: "Richard Wagner composed what is now considered one of his better operas, Tristan and Isolde." Now, opinions vary but a lot of people consider Tristan and Isolde to be the summit of Western Classical Music - isn't "one of his better operas", well, a little understated? Gerry Lynch 12:13, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd be interested to learn more about different portrayals of
Mark in the various Trystan legends, but certainly in Wagner he's quite a sympathetic character. Even Trystan regrets having betrayed him.
QuartierLatin
1968
15:17, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Tristan pages are very confused at this point. We now have this page and an Iseult page (which covers both Iseults), as well as a Tristan & Isolde page, which mostly repeats information found here. Tristan and Isolde is a disambig page, and Tristan and Iseult redirects back here. There are no separate pages for the various poems by the different authors (though Wagner's opera is at Tristan und Isolde. Interlanguage links are even more muddled. Obviously much of this confusion is the result of Iseult's diversely spelled name, but we need to organize these pages. My suggestion is this:
After solving these issues, it will be easier to improve the pages.-- Cúchullain t / c 00:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
"Also, according to Celtic myth, Tristan owned a horse named Bel Joeor." Is the name significant, or indeed having a horse? If so it needs a remark, if not, it is oddly placed at the end of that section. Coriolise 10:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
As a big Arthurian enthusiast, I notiticed that the Wikipedia pages covering the Tristan pages were woefully inadequete.
I hope you don't mind, but I took it upon myself to effectively rewrite much of it tonight. Right now I'm relying on my own store of knowledge, with some help from some notes I have taken, as well as the UT catalog, and Wikipedia itself!
I intend to fully annotate my additions on Monday, when I will be able to re-check out some of the books I originally got this information from.
So, please don't delete anything because it lacks a citation just yet!
Okay, I made a page for the legend: /Tristan and Iseult. I haven't included any of the new information that was recently added on in there yet; I thought to wait until we have all of that sorted and finalised then we can add it on and rename the page. The intro in the new page probably needs to be expanded and background info about the characters needs to be included, among many things. We can also take some info from the Iseult page and include it there. Stoa 20:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking for Henry Baker Tristram but by typing "Tristram" I was redirected to this page. Can anybody please add a disambiguation page. Misheu 11:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please disconnect 'Tristram' from 'Tristran'?
Just now I wrote this: Talk:Tristram -- 79.182.122.67 ( talk) 16:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I suspect this section is original research. If there are independent sources for this argument, they should be added and the section should be reframed in a more neutral way. Otherwise, it should go. Nareek 13:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
What on earth is this, and why is this section even necessary? The note about the romance preceeding Arthurian legends is covered in the Tristan and Iseult page, I believe. Can we do away with this odd little section? Imtinuviel ( talk) 13:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Acording to LGBT themes in mythology, this character is bisexual? I havn't done any research yet, but tagged it as there is no mention here of any relationsips with the same sex.
Does anyone know where this comes from (even if disputed)? Yob Mod 13:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
The article speaks of Brittany "in the north of France". You must remember that, in that time, Brittany was an independant Celtic nation, far more independant than Ireland. And still being in everyday family relation with the sister nations, specially Cornwall and Wales, when the relations with France were often violent.
From an English, British, American or French angle, we find too often this misunderstanding. 2.10.174.35 ( talk) 15:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tristan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs reference citations. John Carter 23:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 23:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 09:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Shoudn't the See Also section have the obvious link to Tristan and Iseult, and perhaps also Iseult? I ask rather than just doing it because a) it's so obvious it's probably been done & reverted several times; b) I have a hunch there's a WP policy on this.
From a practical point of view, by the time I've read to the bottom of an article, I expect to see links to closely related articles as well as more distant ones, rather than have to navigate back to the top and search for the half-remembered link in the lead -- especially on my rather inadequate mobile browser. -- D Anthony Patriarche ( talk) 14:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
http://www.circleoflogres.com/tristan_isolde/index-tristan_isolde.html
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Pre-wagner the name was Tristram. Every piece of artwork, poem, writing and even recreated round tables hold the Tristram name and not Tristan. No mention of the Falklands naval vessel Sir Tristram or the race horse Sir Tristram in references. Tristan is a relatively common family name compared to Tristram, which is far rarer. the lead name for the article should be Tristram, not Tristan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.169.48.220 ( talk) 10:35, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
This article is fairly detailed. Shall we drop the {{stub}} now? -- llywrch 19:12, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In the article it says: "Richard Wagner composed what is now considered one of his better operas, Tristan and Isolde." Now, opinions vary but a lot of people consider Tristan and Isolde to be the summit of Western Classical Music - isn't "one of his better operas", well, a little understated? Gerry Lynch 12:13, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd be interested to learn more about different portrayals of
Mark in the various Trystan legends, but certainly in Wagner he's quite a sympathetic character. Even Trystan regrets having betrayed him.
QuartierLatin
1968
15:17, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Tristan pages are very confused at this point. We now have this page and an Iseult page (which covers both Iseults), as well as a Tristan & Isolde page, which mostly repeats information found here. Tristan and Isolde is a disambig page, and Tristan and Iseult redirects back here. There are no separate pages for the various poems by the different authors (though Wagner's opera is at Tristan und Isolde. Interlanguage links are even more muddled. Obviously much of this confusion is the result of Iseult's diversely spelled name, but we need to organize these pages. My suggestion is this:
After solving these issues, it will be easier to improve the pages.-- Cúchullain t / c 00:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
"Also, according to Celtic myth, Tristan owned a horse named Bel Joeor." Is the name significant, or indeed having a horse? If so it needs a remark, if not, it is oddly placed at the end of that section. Coriolise 10:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
As a big Arthurian enthusiast, I notiticed that the Wikipedia pages covering the Tristan pages were woefully inadequete.
I hope you don't mind, but I took it upon myself to effectively rewrite much of it tonight. Right now I'm relying on my own store of knowledge, with some help from some notes I have taken, as well as the UT catalog, and Wikipedia itself!
I intend to fully annotate my additions on Monday, when I will be able to re-check out some of the books I originally got this information from.
So, please don't delete anything because it lacks a citation just yet!
Okay, I made a page for the legend: /Tristan and Iseult. I haven't included any of the new information that was recently added on in there yet; I thought to wait until we have all of that sorted and finalised then we can add it on and rename the page. The intro in the new page probably needs to be expanded and background info about the characters needs to be included, among many things. We can also take some info from the Iseult page and include it there. Stoa 20:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I was looking for Henry Baker Tristram but by typing "Tristram" I was redirected to this page. Can anybody please add a disambiguation page. Misheu 11:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please disconnect 'Tristram' from 'Tristran'?
Just now I wrote this: Talk:Tristram -- 79.182.122.67 ( talk) 16:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I suspect this section is original research. If there are independent sources for this argument, they should be added and the section should be reframed in a more neutral way. Otherwise, it should go. Nareek 13:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
What on earth is this, and why is this section even necessary? The note about the romance preceeding Arthurian legends is covered in the Tristan and Iseult page, I believe. Can we do away with this odd little section? Imtinuviel ( talk) 13:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Acording to LGBT themes in mythology, this character is bisexual? I havn't done any research yet, but tagged it as there is no mention here of any relationsips with the same sex.
Does anyone know where this comes from (even if disputed)? Yob Mod 13:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
The article speaks of Brittany "in the north of France". You must remember that, in that time, Brittany was an independant Celtic nation, far more independant than Ireland. And still being in everyday family relation with the sister nations, specially Cornwall and Wales, when the relations with France were often violent.
From an English, British, American or French angle, we find too often this misunderstanding. 2.10.174.35 ( talk) 15:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tristan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Needs reference citations. John Carter 23:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 23:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 09:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Shoudn't the See Also section have the obvious link to Tristan and Iseult, and perhaps also Iseult? I ask rather than just doing it because a) it's so obvious it's probably been done & reverted several times; b) I have a hunch there's a WP policy on this.
From a practical point of view, by the time I've read to the bottom of an article, I expect to see links to closely related articles as well as more distant ones, rather than have to navigate back to the top and search for the half-remembered link in the lead -- especially on my rather inadequate mobile browser. -- D Anthony Patriarche ( talk) 14:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
http://www.circleoflogres.com/tristan_isolde/index-tristan_isolde.html