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Wikipedia is not a place for Political Overtones and far-fetched facts. It is meant for general knowledge. If any serious allegations are there, please write it in another article ..
say, Allegations agains the TBCU or Church-Militants link in Tripura, etc.
Thanks and good day
-Bdebbarma
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Pls justify the Reverts?????
Thnx,
Hi Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Thanks for the information, i have kept only the facts as mentioned by you, the rest has ethnical and political overtones. We from the state know it.
regards, Bdebbarma
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Good to know u like this version, but there are some clarifications regarding ur views.
First, this article has very much to do with Ethnicity and Ethnical tensions in Tripura (if u are not aware of it). TBCU is a Tripuri ethnoliguistic organisation, and whatever is written here has a reflection on the view on the religious sentiments of the Tripuri people. The Tripuri people are ethnically different from the Bengali and other Indian people of Tripura.
Second, NLFT is also a Tripuri ethnoliguistal organisation, but the violent actions of NLFT should not be taken as the viewpoint on the whole Tripuri community's actions. So, any viewpoint on the NLFT in any article also has a reflection on the view of the Tripuri community as a whole.
Thats why, even this present version is also highly POV according to me (we need to discuss on a better NPOV version , which doesnt hurt the sentiments of the Tripuri people), just like you cannot equate any religious organisation , say VHP or Sunni/Shia and the terrorists in India, similarily you cannot equate actions of NLFT with that of TBCU.
hope to hear from u,
regards, User:Bdebbarma
Having said that, you are quite correct in your assertion that the violent actions of NLFT should not be conflated with Tripuris. I extend the same courtesy vis-a-vis the TCBU, which is obviously NLFT's propaganda front and does not represent the Tripuri people as a whole, unless you can provide verifiable proof to the contrary. Rumpelstiltskin223 06:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Thank you for understanding the NLFT issue. I hope u have understood the Tripuri ethnical issue now. If u want articles to study about the ethnical conflicts happening out in Tripura i will give you some links here shortly from the websites in Tripura (not a distant and unknowing website source like BBC).
Just like you wudnt listen to news about Britain from Tripuri websites, similarily same concern here.
I dont know ur ethnicity , but u should be quite aware that there is a conflict going on between native Tripuri people and Bengali people in Tripura since the 1970's. If you would notice the BBC article there is nothing saying TBCU is the sponser, it says Secretaries of some remote churches in North eastern part of Tripura have been caught with explosives.
Just because of 2/3 persons being caught u cannot blame a whole community organisation like TBCU, Incase u r not from India/Tripura, St. Paul's School in Agartala the first ICSE English medium school in Tripura is run by TBCU since 1940's , which is well-known and reputed.
Also, the leaderships of the opposition ethno-parties of Tripura like the INPT and the NSPT are all members of various Tripuri TBCU churches in the state, so are the Upper-class beauracrats of the Tripuri's. So i don wonder that CPI(M) the communist government of Tripura blames TBCU n these churches for all the ills of the state.
In case u r an anti-Christian, well i dont hav any arguments for u. A healthy secular discussion is required for any outcome regarding this article. (pls see my first discussion topic).
regards,
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Thanks for the invitation to discuss freely. Sorry for the late reply, was busy working :)
Regarding the issue of NLFT vis-avis TBCU , i would like to clarify few points regarding the Baptist Church Organisation. Baptist churches are part of the movement called Evangelical and Congregational , wherein the churches believe in independence from any central authority, e.g the churches of Baptists, presbyterians and pentecostals in USA. (Pls study the Baptist topic to understand furthur)
Similarily, each Baptist Church in Tripura is also independent in its actions. Every church elects its own pastors and Secretaries and Deacons as they believe in Preisthood of all believers, so basically there is no clergy in Baptist/pentecostal churches worldwide. Baptist Church members elects its secretary annually from among the church members by secret ballot. A Baptist church is inturn a member of a regional Baptist Association (usually county/district-wise), where it is inducted again by votes among the Baptist Association Committee.
Furthur a Baptist Association is a member of a Baptist Convention/Council/Conference (usually state-wise) , where similarily it is taken in by votes among the Council Committee. A Committee has the right to refuse a Association membership, similarily a Association has rghts to refuse a Church. Similarily a Church has rights to refuse memberships to any Association and remain independent, (Pls take note that this structure is not there in other Christian churches like the Catholics or Anglican/Lutherans, etc)
As per the discussion, the Noapara Baptist Church must have been a member of the Deogang /Dharmanagar Baptist Association (the respective Baptist Assoc in that region of North Tripura) which in turn must have been a member of the TBCU. TBCU is a committee/council in Agartala consisting of periodically elected church members from among the various affliated Associations.
Herein , lies my point!!!!! We cannot justify the link between actions of a church secretary directly to the TBCU... TBCU doesnt directly control or finance any church , it is only a coordination committee. The responsibility of the offences lies to the Noapara Church and then the Association which the church is member of . Similarily to NLFT, does a militant being a church member of a Baptist church and also a member of NLFT make the Church and the Association /TBCU militants/terrorists?
Apparently, just like you, the Bengali controlled media in Tripura doesnt understand it , nor the BBC which copied the reports by the Bengali language newspapers of Agartala, as there is no competing Tripuri language newspapers to refute the claims or clarify the news (since Tripuri's are a minority in the city).
So, please if u dont understand the analogy, pls do tell me :)
regards, ````
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
I didnt take your comments about missionaries lightly. If you are a keen student of History of Religion , you would know that every religion has been started and propagated by Missionaries.
eg, Buddhist missionaries to Asia from India, Islamic missionaries in Middle-East, Hindu missionaries to South East Asia, Christian missionaries to Europe.
So, it surprises me that you have such a view on missionaries (New Zealand here), the NZBMS started the first English Medium school in Tripura in the 1930's and also ran various social institutions.
Please do revert back for more discussions :)
regards, ````
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 20:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Note: {{ WP India}} Project Banner with Tripura workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Tripura or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 11:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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talk page for discussing improvements to the
Tripura Baptist Christian Union article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Wikipedia is not a place for Political Overtones and far-fetched facts. It is meant for general knowledge. If any serious allegations are there, please write it in another article ..
say, Allegations agains the TBCU or Church-Militants link in Tripura, etc.
Thanks and good day
-Bdebbarma
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Pls justify the Reverts?????
Thnx,
Hi Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Thanks for the information, i have kept only the facts as mentioned by you, the rest has ethnical and political overtones. We from the state know it.
regards, Bdebbarma
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Good to know u like this version, but there are some clarifications regarding ur views.
First, this article has very much to do with Ethnicity and Ethnical tensions in Tripura (if u are not aware of it). TBCU is a Tripuri ethnoliguistic organisation, and whatever is written here has a reflection on the view on the religious sentiments of the Tripuri people. The Tripuri people are ethnically different from the Bengali and other Indian people of Tripura.
Second, NLFT is also a Tripuri ethnoliguistal organisation, but the violent actions of NLFT should not be taken as the viewpoint on the whole Tripuri community's actions. So, any viewpoint on the NLFT in any article also has a reflection on the view of the Tripuri community as a whole.
Thats why, even this present version is also highly POV according to me (we need to discuss on a better NPOV version , which doesnt hurt the sentiments of the Tripuri people), just like you cannot equate any religious organisation , say VHP or Sunni/Shia and the terrorists in India, similarily you cannot equate actions of NLFT with that of TBCU.
hope to hear from u,
regards, User:Bdebbarma
Having said that, you are quite correct in your assertion that the violent actions of NLFT should not be conflated with Tripuris. I extend the same courtesy vis-a-vis the TCBU, which is obviously NLFT's propaganda front and does not represent the Tripuri people as a whole, unless you can provide verifiable proof to the contrary. Rumpelstiltskin223 06:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Thank you for understanding the NLFT issue. I hope u have understood the Tripuri ethnical issue now. If u want articles to study about the ethnical conflicts happening out in Tripura i will give you some links here shortly from the websites in Tripura (not a distant and unknowing website source like BBC).
Just like you wudnt listen to news about Britain from Tripuri websites, similarily same concern here.
I dont know ur ethnicity , but u should be quite aware that there is a conflict going on between native Tripuri people and Bengali people in Tripura since the 1970's. If you would notice the BBC article there is nothing saying TBCU is the sponser, it says Secretaries of some remote churches in North eastern part of Tripura have been caught with explosives.
Just because of 2/3 persons being caught u cannot blame a whole community organisation like TBCU, Incase u r not from India/Tripura, St. Paul's School in Agartala the first ICSE English medium school in Tripura is run by TBCU since 1940's , which is well-known and reputed.
Also, the leaderships of the opposition ethno-parties of Tripura like the INPT and the NSPT are all members of various Tripuri TBCU churches in the state, so are the Upper-class beauracrats of the Tripuri's. So i don wonder that CPI(M) the communist government of Tripura blames TBCU n these churches for all the ills of the state.
In case u r an anti-Christian, well i dont hav any arguments for u. A healthy secular discussion is required for any outcome regarding this article. (pls see my first discussion topic).
regards,
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
Thanks for the invitation to discuss freely. Sorry for the late reply, was busy working :)
Regarding the issue of NLFT vis-avis TBCU , i would like to clarify few points regarding the Baptist Church Organisation. Baptist churches are part of the movement called Evangelical and Congregational , wherein the churches believe in independence from any central authority, e.g the churches of Baptists, presbyterians and pentecostals in USA. (Pls study the Baptist topic to understand furthur)
Similarily, each Baptist Church in Tripura is also independent in its actions. Every church elects its own pastors and Secretaries and Deacons as they believe in Preisthood of all believers, so basically there is no clergy in Baptist/pentecostal churches worldwide. Baptist Church members elects its secretary annually from among the church members by secret ballot. A Baptist church is inturn a member of a regional Baptist Association (usually county/district-wise), where it is inducted again by votes among the Baptist Association Committee.
Furthur a Baptist Association is a member of a Baptist Convention/Council/Conference (usually state-wise) , where similarily it is taken in by votes among the Council Committee. A Committee has the right to refuse a Association membership, similarily a Association has rghts to refuse a Church. Similarily a Church has rights to refuse memberships to any Association and remain independent, (Pls take note that this structure is not there in other Christian churches like the Catholics or Anglican/Lutherans, etc)
As per the discussion, the Noapara Baptist Church must have been a member of the Deogang /Dharmanagar Baptist Association (the respective Baptist Assoc in that region of North Tripura) which in turn must have been a member of the TBCU. TBCU is a committee/council in Agartala consisting of periodically elected church members from among the various affliated Associations.
Herein , lies my point!!!!! We cannot justify the link between actions of a church secretary directly to the TBCU... TBCU doesnt directly control or finance any church , it is only a coordination committee. The responsibility of the offences lies to the Noapara Church and then the Association which the church is member of . Similarily to NLFT, does a militant being a church member of a Baptist church and also a member of NLFT make the Church and the Association /TBCU militants/terrorists?
Apparently, just like you, the Bengali controlled media in Tripura doesnt understand it , nor the BBC which copied the reports by the Bengali language newspapers of Agartala, as there is no competing Tripuri language newspapers to refute the claims or clarify the news (since Tripuri's are a minority in the city).
So, please if u dont understand the analogy, pls do tell me :)
regards, ````
Hi Rumpelstiltskin223,
I didnt take your comments about missionaries lightly. If you are a keen student of History of Religion , you would know that every religion has been started and propagated by Missionaries.
eg, Buddhist missionaries to Asia from India, Islamic missionaries in Middle-East, Hindu missionaries to South East Asia, Christian missionaries to Europe.
So, it surprises me that you have such a view on missionaries (New Zealand here), the NZBMS started the first English Medium school in Tripura in the 1930's and also ran various social institutions.
Please do revert back for more discussions :)
regards, ````
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 20:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Note: {{ WP India}} Project Banner with Tripura workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Tripura or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 11:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)