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I quit. I'm not going to edit or discuss this page anymore. I get too angry. This isn't worth it. I'm taking off my watchlist. Good luck everyone. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 19:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The descision for the TCC was 8 keep to 6 delete, the Grand Slam was 12 keep to 6 delete. Both articles stay for the moment. Darrenhusted 22:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Booshakala, I was just relaying the result becasue the afd box had gone. RobJ1981, the arguments for and against were prety much of the "this is OR get rid/this exists find more sources" variety. I added the OR tags because I think that improving this article is better than deleting it. This and the Grand Slam page need a lot of work, but that's what Wikipedia is about. I just hope that WP:PW can get a handle on this and get these two articles tamed. Darrenhusted 12:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Verifiable sources would be a good start. Darrenhusted 14:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The whole thing, titles, dates of wins, the concept of a triple crown, those acknowledged, what is not a TCC. Darrenhusted 23:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be going for a record for single daily edits, this page has remained untouched for nine days (something of a record) and now Charlie 1227 had made 17 edits between 16:21 and 19:09, most of which were minor table corrections. He is not a newbie and he is not adding anything to this page which hasn't been discussed to death. I have asked him at his talk page to stop editing with information which is not needed. But just in case any one else is watching this page, can they help revert in case he gets the editing rush. Darrenhusted 19:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a term for someone who has one all the titles they can win in the WWE:
1. WWE Championship
2. World Championship
3. Intercontinental Championship
4. United States Championship
5. World Tag Team Championships
6. WWE Tag Team Championships
Because if the term exists, then there would be these Potential Champions:
GOOD NEWS Edge doesnt need the World Championship anymore. So, by a coincidence of this question i made a long time ago, now, it has actually happened. So, we should create a term for someone who has won all those titles. Lex94 10:47pm May 10, 07
There aren't any potential champions if the United States Championship was considered part of the Triple Crown, so I took that sentence out. Lex94 April 23 9:40
Edge just did something historic here.
He has won a Triple Double.
He has won both the Raw and Smackdown versions of the Triple Crown. (I know the U.S. Title isn't "official", yadda yadda yadda.)
But, come on, are we going to let a mere technicality derail the fact that Edge has done something special here.
We need to put something in here that acknowledges this great feat.
Ohgltxg 16:12 May 9, 2007 (UTC)
If you want to show love how about Jericho, he won the WCW, WWE, IC, Tag, Hardcore, Euro, ECW TV, WCW TV and CW titles. That's a man who deserves love. As for the Edge thing, if he's the first to have won all five titles since the brand split then maybe a note on his page is best. Darrenhusted 21:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
He won the WCW United States Championship while it was under the WWE. Lex94 11: 34 May 12 , 2007
Edge has done something extrodinary winning a double Triple Crown in WWE. Now all he needs to do is win the ECW title and he will have held all seven championships. User: Vermon CaTaffy 8
Yes, and all he has to do after that is lose 30 pounds and get a sex change and then he can win the WWE Cruiserweight and Women’s Championship.-- Prince Patrick 13:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Why dont we email WWE and ask him for the reference of the definition of Triple Crown? Lex94 18:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
In professional wrestling, a Triple Crown Champion is a term describing a wrestler who has won the three most prestigious belts of their promotion - typically a heavyweight belt, a tag team belt, and a second-tier belt. A "multiple triple crown" distinction also exists, with having won the three constituent titles at least a specified number of times.
If this is true, the only Triple Crown would be THE BIG SHOW, for he is the only one to win "the three most prestigious belts of their promotion" (ECW Championship, WWE Championship, World Championship) Lex94 16:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Not really, that is a reference to the TNA triple crown being won multiple times, if you scroll down the page you will note that Big Show is not a Triple Crown Champion, and thus could not be referred to in the intro. Darrenhusted 18:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I thnk his point was that the definition on the beginning of the page is wrong. A Triple Crown is not the one who won the three major titles in a wrestling promotion. If that was true, the WWE Championship, World Championship, and ECW Championship would be the Triple Crown. The definition should state
In professional wrestling, a Triple Crown Champion is a term describing a wrestler who has won the Heavyweight Championship, Tag Team Championship and Second-tier championship of their promotion. In WWE's case, of their respective brands.' 68.88.70.146 21:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Now that ROH has a PPV National deal, should they have their triple crown up. I think they should, because, they are kind of a national promotion, when you take in the fact that the PPV's are broadcast around the Nation.
Also, TNA's triple crown should be able to sub the NWA belts for the TNA belts, correct, since they are still part of that promotion?
I also think we should have a small section of WWE Multiple Triple Crown winners, because Shawn Michaels would be a three time triple crown winner by that defination(He held the WWE Title 3 times, the World Tag Titles 4 times, and the IC Title 3 times.)
Also, just saying, if a Triple Crown definition does state the use of a Primary Title, a Secondary Title, and a Tag Title counts toward someone being a TCC, wouldn't that count the US Title as well, because it is a second-tier title of SD, easily? I mean, take the common sense definition of it, and basically it is a part of the triple crown, as per the definition. Tommyspud 15:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Find a source, and the US title debate has been discussed to death, I suggest you RTA Darrenhusted 15:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
So, you are denying the definition of a triple crown? The definition of a triple crown has been proven, so if the US Title is a second tier title, which it is, it should be in the triple crown. Tommyspud 15:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I have the WWE History of the Champion which defines the TCC as WWE/IC/WWE Tag, then Shawn Michaels redefines it as WORLD/IC/WWE Tag, then Kurt Angle adds WORLD/IC/WORLD Tag. No where is there a reference which confirms the US title as an equal replacement for the IC. So once more I ask that you RTFA. What you are saying may seem to be common sense but it is also OR, and Wikipedia says no OR. Darrenhusted 15:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, look at the pages for both the IC Title and the US Title, they each state that they are the second highest belts on their respective brands, making them second tier titles, therefore they are equal replacements for each other. Don't tell me to RTA, because, I've already read it, and I didn't see anyone try to make a claim as to the definition of a triple crown. Tommyspud 15:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you have read the archive you will see that people have grown tired of this debate, the US title is not the same as the IC, and no consensus has been reached, once you find a source that backs you up then I will happily leave the US champs in, until then it is OR. Darrenhusted 15:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
As a supplement, the whole TNA/NWA thing has resulted in a hundred edits, I'd find a source for that too. Darrenhusted 16:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Got that sourced and verified, seems as the TNA belts can be interchanged with the NWA belts as per the roster bios. http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/ajstyles/index.html
http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/brotherdevon/index.html
See, it just lists them as actual World Heavyweight Champion or World Tag Team Champions, so I guess the TNA Triple Crown would include the TNA belts. Tommyspud 03:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
If the source is good then edit away, but don't be surprised if it gets quickly reverted. Darrenhusted 10:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Fine, and there is also this... http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldtitle.html That proves they are interchangeable. Tommyspud 17:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Fine, be warned that if you have read the archives then you may want to check the page history because the edit you want to make may have already been made and revrted. Darrenhusted 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Exactly, REPLACED, which means in the Triple Crown, that the NWA belts would be Replaced with the TNA Belts. They still refer to AJ as a triple crown winner, check the newest TNA Today, so therefore, the Triple Crown stays to what I had it. The triple crown belts have been replaced, as to the Title page, so we must say that the triple crown, is under the exact same decision. Tommyspud 18:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The TNA Title History also states that the NWA Title holders are still TNA World CHAMPIONS, because they are on that list, so either, all the NWA title holders in TNA need to be switched to the TNA Title holders as well, thereby making the effect that if the NWA belts do not be switched, then an entire new section should be added. Tommyspud 00:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
There is also no SUGGESTION that it isn't either. All we have to go on is that the NWA Title holders are on the TNA title history. If the definition of the Triple Crown HASN'T change, then tell me why the NWA Title holders in TNA are a part of the TNA Title History, instead of having it's own section. So if there is a BREAK between the NWA and TNA titles, then there should be a break in the triple crown as well. (From Tommyspud) 75.162.15.86 01:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I had been reverted attempts to list Joe in the "potential champions" section of the TNA Triple Crown yesterday. I had compeltely forgotten that the PPV had even aired. I apologize for my behavior. Gavyn Sykes 18:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Should Kurt be added temporarily to the list of Potential champions for the TNA Triple Crown since he will become one if he wins one match at Hard Justice? Virakhvar321 06:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I know its not the biggest of matters, still i had a thought that i was hoping someone could clear up for me. does it matter which title you win first. As randy orton has won both wwe and world heavy weight is it not fair to say he has became a triple crown champ in the traditional way now? Black6989 ( talk) 04:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)Black6989
Can somebody put that he won the TNA Tag Team Title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.4.220 ( talk) 03:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
It should be pointed out that although Benoit's World Title is now the "lesser" of the two, when he won it at Wrestlemania, it was the premier title of WWF at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.238.152 ( talk) 20:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't Edge be either a grand slam champion or at least a potential grand slam champion? He isn't listed as either though he has held the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, World Tag Team Championships, WWE Tag Team Championships, and Intercontinental championship (All multiple times) What else does he need to win? Am I missing something? JakeDHS07 ( talk) 17:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)JakeDHS07
I'm not sure, but wouldn't A.J. Styles be a potential champ, only needing a TNA Heavyweight reign? It seems like it is like that. 69.61.221.25 ( talk) 01:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
No. Darrenhusted ( talk) 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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I quit. I'm not going to edit or discuss this page anymore. I get too angry. This isn't worth it. I'm taking off my watchlist. Good luck everyone. 声 援 -- The Hyb rid 19:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The descision for the TCC was 8 keep to 6 delete, the Grand Slam was 12 keep to 6 delete. Both articles stay for the moment. Darrenhusted 22:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Booshakala, I was just relaying the result becasue the afd box had gone. RobJ1981, the arguments for and against were prety much of the "this is OR get rid/this exists find more sources" variety. I added the OR tags because I think that improving this article is better than deleting it. This and the Grand Slam page need a lot of work, but that's what Wikipedia is about. I just hope that WP:PW can get a handle on this and get these two articles tamed. Darrenhusted 12:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Verifiable sources would be a good start. Darrenhusted 14:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The whole thing, titles, dates of wins, the concept of a triple crown, those acknowledged, what is not a TCC. Darrenhusted 23:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be going for a record for single daily edits, this page has remained untouched for nine days (something of a record) and now Charlie 1227 had made 17 edits between 16:21 and 19:09, most of which were minor table corrections. He is not a newbie and he is not adding anything to this page which hasn't been discussed to death. I have asked him at his talk page to stop editing with information which is not needed. But just in case any one else is watching this page, can they help revert in case he gets the editing rush. Darrenhusted 19:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a term for someone who has one all the titles they can win in the WWE:
1. WWE Championship
2. World Championship
3. Intercontinental Championship
4. United States Championship
5. World Tag Team Championships
6. WWE Tag Team Championships
Because if the term exists, then there would be these Potential Champions:
GOOD NEWS Edge doesnt need the World Championship anymore. So, by a coincidence of this question i made a long time ago, now, it has actually happened. So, we should create a term for someone who has won all those titles. Lex94 10:47pm May 10, 07
There aren't any potential champions if the United States Championship was considered part of the Triple Crown, so I took that sentence out. Lex94 April 23 9:40
Edge just did something historic here.
He has won a Triple Double.
He has won both the Raw and Smackdown versions of the Triple Crown. (I know the U.S. Title isn't "official", yadda yadda yadda.)
But, come on, are we going to let a mere technicality derail the fact that Edge has done something special here.
We need to put something in here that acknowledges this great feat.
Ohgltxg 16:12 May 9, 2007 (UTC)
If you want to show love how about Jericho, he won the WCW, WWE, IC, Tag, Hardcore, Euro, ECW TV, WCW TV and CW titles. That's a man who deserves love. As for the Edge thing, if he's the first to have won all five titles since the brand split then maybe a note on his page is best. Darrenhusted 21:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
He won the WCW United States Championship while it was under the WWE. Lex94 11: 34 May 12 , 2007
Edge has done something extrodinary winning a double Triple Crown in WWE. Now all he needs to do is win the ECW title and he will have held all seven championships. User: Vermon CaTaffy 8
Yes, and all he has to do after that is lose 30 pounds and get a sex change and then he can win the WWE Cruiserweight and Women’s Championship.-- Prince Patrick 13:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Why dont we email WWE and ask him for the reference of the definition of Triple Crown? Lex94 18:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
In professional wrestling, a Triple Crown Champion is a term describing a wrestler who has won the three most prestigious belts of their promotion - typically a heavyweight belt, a tag team belt, and a second-tier belt. A "multiple triple crown" distinction also exists, with having won the three constituent titles at least a specified number of times.
If this is true, the only Triple Crown would be THE BIG SHOW, for he is the only one to win "the three most prestigious belts of their promotion" (ECW Championship, WWE Championship, World Championship) Lex94 16:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Not really, that is a reference to the TNA triple crown being won multiple times, if you scroll down the page you will note that Big Show is not a Triple Crown Champion, and thus could not be referred to in the intro. Darrenhusted 18:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I thnk his point was that the definition on the beginning of the page is wrong. A Triple Crown is not the one who won the three major titles in a wrestling promotion. If that was true, the WWE Championship, World Championship, and ECW Championship would be the Triple Crown. The definition should state
In professional wrestling, a Triple Crown Champion is a term describing a wrestler who has won the Heavyweight Championship, Tag Team Championship and Second-tier championship of their promotion. In WWE's case, of their respective brands.' 68.88.70.146 21:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Now that ROH has a PPV National deal, should they have their triple crown up. I think they should, because, they are kind of a national promotion, when you take in the fact that the PPV's are broadcast around the Nation.
Also, TNA's triple crown should be able to sub the NWA belts for the TNA belts, correct, since they are still part of that promotion?
I also think we should have a small section of WWE Multiple Triple Crown winners, because Shawn Michaels would be a three time triple crown winner by that defination(He held the WWE Title 3 times, the World Tag Titles 4 times, and the IC Title 3 times.)
Also, just saying, if a Triple Crown definition does state the use of a Primary Title, a Secondary Title, and a Tag Title counts toward someone being a TCC, wouldn't that count the US Title as well, because it is a second-tier title of SD, easily? I mean, take the common sense definition of it, and basically it is a part of the triple crown, as per the definition. Tommyspud 15:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Find a source, and the US title debate has been discussed to death, I suggest you RTA Darrenhusted 15:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
So, you are denying the definition of a triple crown? The definition of a triple crown has been proven, so if the US Title is a second tier title, which it is, it should be in the triple crown. Tommyspud 15:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I have the WWE History of the Champion which defines the TCC as WWE/IC/WWE Tag, then Shawn Michaels redefines it as WORLD/IC/WWE Tag, then Kurt Angle adds WORLD/IC/WORLD Tag. No where is there a reference which confirms the US title as an equal replacement for the IC. So once more I ask that you RTFA. What you are saying may seem to be common sense but it is also OR, and Wikipedia says no OR. Darrenhusted 15:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, look at the pages for both the IC Title and the US Title, they each state that they are the second highest belts on their respective brands, making them second tier titles, therefore they are equal replacements for each other. Don't tell me to RTA, because, I've already read it, and I didn't see anyone try to make a claim as to the definition of a triple crown. Tommyspud 15:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you have read the archive you will see that people have grown tired of this debate, the US title is not the same as the IC, and no consensus has been reached, once you find a source that backs you up then I will happily leave the US champs in, until then it is OR. Darrenhusted 15:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
As a supplement, the whole TNA/NWA thing has resulted in a hundred edits, I'd find a source for that too. Darrenhusted 16:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Got that sourced and verified, seems as the TNA belts can be interchanged with the NWA belts as per the roster bios. http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/ajstyles/index.html
http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/brotherdevon/index.html
See, it just lists them as actual World Heavyweight Champion or World Tag Team Champions, so I guess the TNA Triple Crown would include the TNA belts. Tommyspud 03:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
If the source is good then edit away, but don't be surprised if it gets quickly reverted. Darrenhusted 10:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Fine, and there is also this... http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldtitle.html That proves they are interchangeable. Tommyspud 17:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Fine, be warned that if you have read the archives then you may want to check the page history because the edit you want to make may have already been made and revrted. Darrenhusted 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Exactly, REPLACED, which means in the Triple Crown, that the NWA belts would be Replaced with the TNA Belts. They still refer to AJ as a triple crown winner, check the newest TNA Today, so therefore, the Triple Crown stays to what I had it. The triple crown belts have been replaced, as to the Title page, so we must say that the triple crown, is under the exact same decision. Tommyspud 18:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The TNA Title History also states that the NWA Title holders are still TNA World CHAMPIONS, because they are on that list, so either, all the NWA title holders in TNA need to be switched to the TNA Title holders as well, thereby making the effect that if the NWA belts do not be switched, then an entire new section should be added. Tommyspud 00:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
There is also no SUGGESTION that it isn't either. All we have to go on is that the NWA Title holders are on the TNA title history. If the definition of the Triple Crown HASN'T change, then tell me why the NWA Title holders in TNA are a part of the TNA Title History, instead of having it's own section. So if there is a BREAK between the NWA and TNA titles, then there should be a break in the triple crown as well. (From Tommyspud) 75.162.15.86 01:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I had been reverted attempts to list Joe in the "potential champions" section of the TNA Triple Crown yesterday. I had compeltely forgotten that the PPV had even aired. I apologize for my behavior. Gavyn Sykes 18:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Should Kurt be added temporarily to the list of Potential champions for the TNA Triple Crown since he will become one if he wins one match at Hard Justice? Virakhvar321 06:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I know its not the biggest of matters, still i had a thought that i was hoping someone could clear up for me. does it matter which title you win first. As randy orton has won both wwe and world heavy weight is it not fair to say he has became a triple crown champ in the traditional way now? Black6989 ( talk) 04:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)Black6989
Can somebody put that he won the TNA Tag Team Title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.4.220 ( talk) 03:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
It should be pointed out that although Benoit's World Title is now the "lesser" of the two, when he won it at Wrestlemania, it was the premier title of WWF at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.238.152 ( talk) 20:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Wouldn't Edge be either a grand slam champion or at least a potential grand slam champion? He isn't listed as either though he has held the WWE Championship, World Heavyweight Championship, World Tag Team Championships, WWE Tag Team Championships, and Intercontinental championship (All multiple times) What else does he need to win? Am I missing something? JakeDHS07 ( talk) 17:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)JakeDHS07
I'm not sure, but wouldn't A.J. Styles be a potential champ, only needing a TNA Heavyweight reign? It seems like it is like that. 69.61.221.25 ( talk) 01:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
No. Darrenhusted ( talk) 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)