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I added a bunch of information, created an ama page and a drogue page and a trampline_(multihull) page. But some of the information is a little redundant and I need to go to bed.
I removed the following counter safety argument:
Because it was written as a talk page entry. -- Van helsing 07:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The USS Independence (LCS-2) is being built with a trimaran design. I'm not sure how you want to go about editing this page in light of that, but it needs to be noted.
Under the topic of folding designs, the blurb about Corsair is unrelated to the subject, and appears to be an advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.184.192 ( talk) 05:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The terms vaka, aka, and ama are said to be common terms. Perhaps this is so in America, but in the UK and Europe, this terminology is unheard of. Even assuming the Polynesian words to be as common in the USA as is claimed, I think it would be preferable to use the plain English equivalent terms (hull, outrigger, float, wings, beams, etc) as then all readers would understand the meaning immediately without further reference. Arrivisto ( talk) 14:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree that the term "ama" in particular is very common in the USA. The term "outrigger" implies to me the ama on an outrigger canoe, or even the entire canoe. The very popular classes of racing outrigger canoes are worldwide (OC-1, OC-2, OC-6). I would agree that the terms aka and vaka are less well known than ama. In the Philippines where almost all boats are trimarans they are referred to as "balancers". Amusingly (to someone raised in the monohull dominated Great Lakes) boats with out balancers are considered strange and un-seaworthy.
ZeroXero ( talk) 19:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Obsidian Soul I understand your reason for removing this image. I had to look hard to see that there is an outrigger on the opposite side, as well. My reason for including it over the image that you chose, is that I prefer to see only historical images in a "History" section, when possible. Perhaps we can find an image that is more obviously a historical one and where both outriggers are clearly visible. The photograph has further problems for me: it is dark and shows little boat per unit of area (these can be fixed with image adjustment and cropping); it also shows limp sails, which can't be fixed and makes for a static image, compared to the one that we are discussing in the Catamaran article. Cheers, HopsonRoad ( talk) 0:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi HopsonRoad, I see that you have removed the image of the replica of Donald Crowhurst's trimaran Teignmouth Electron that I had added to Trimaran, with the explanation "Interesting story involving a trimaran. Unfortunately, the image doesn't contribute to understanding trimarans." Actually I beg to differ, it was a specially modified Piver design for ocean racing, which unfortunately failed to complete the most difficult leg because the entrant decided it was too risky (but that is another story), and of quite a lot of historic and popular interest (refer its own article Teignmouth Electron). Unfortunately there are no pix of the original boat in the public domain which is why I put up the replica as the next best option. I do not intend to argue the point indefinitely but I think adding this image to a gallery (presumably showing the potential range of sailing trimaran designs, presently numbering only four, but arguably, "notable trimarans" would not be out of scope either) is reasonable. Just my opinion of course, in case I can change your mind on this one. Cheers Tony Tony 1212 ( talk) 03:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Bogong, in reference to my deletion of material in the subject section, it had a number of problems:
I trimmed the section down to a statement that was supported by a reliable source. It would be better to build it from there with properly supported material, rather than restore problematic material wholesale. I'm happy to help you build this section in line with WP guidelines. Sincerely, HopsonRoad ( talk) 00:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
There is a photo captioned "The Balatik, a paraw, a functioning replica of a traditional Austronesian sailing trimaran from the Visayas Islands of the Philippines", yet it shows a craft rigged with a completely conventional fore-and-aft sail and stay sails. Somehow I doubt that the Austronesians developed basically identical sail plans to those used in the Med and Europe, while at the same time adopting fundamentally different hull designs. The HULL is a replica, but the sails are not authentic. It even says in the text adjacent to the photo that most modern trimarans are fitted with modern sails like the bermuda rig, instead of crab claws or other unique forms of sail that would have been fitted on the original vessels. I understand that sails are not a rigid feature, and they can be changed, but if I showed a photo of "a replica of the USS Constitution" showing the famous frigate rigged out with a schooner rig on each mast, people would complain because it doesn't look or function like the original, and it's misleading to say it's a "replica" with such a fundemental difference. Idumea47b ( talk) 04:22, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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I added a bunch of information, created an ama page and a drogue page and a trampline_(multihull) page. But some of the information is a little redundant and I need to go to bed.
I removed the following counter safety argument:
Because it was written as a talk page entry. -- Van helsing 07:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The USS Independence (LCS-2) is being built with a trimaran design. I'm not sure how you want to go about editing this page in light of that, but it needs to be noted.
Under the topic of folding designs, the blurb about Corsair is unrelated to the subject, and appears to be an advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.184.192 ( talk) 05:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
The terms vaka, aka, and ama are said to be common terms. Perhaps this is so in America, but in the UK and Europe, this terminology is unheard of. Even assuming the Polynesian words to be as common in the USA as is claimed, I think it would be preferable to use the plain English equivalent terms (hull, outrigger, float, wings, beams, etc) as then all readers would understand the meaning immediately without further reference. Arrivisto ( talk) 14:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree that the term "ama" in particular is very common in the USA. The term "outrigger" implies to me the ama on an outrigger canoe, or even the entire canoe. The very popular classes of racing outrigger canoes are worldwide (OC-1, OC-2, OC-6). I would agree that the terms aka and vaka are less well known than ama. In the Philippines where almost all boats are trimarans they are referred to as "balancers". Amusingly (to someone raised in the monohull dominated Great Lakes) boats with out balancers are considered strange and un-seaworthy.
ZeroXero ( talk) 19:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Obsidian Soul I understand your reason for removing this image. I had to look hard to see that there is an outrigger on the opposite side, as well. My reason for including it over the image that you chose, is that I prefer to see only historical images in a "History" section, when possible. Perhaps we can find an image that is more obviously a historical one and where both outriggers are clearly visible. The photograph has further problems for me: it is dark and shows little boat per unit of area (these can be fixed with image adjustment and cropping); it also shows limp sails, which can't be fixed and makes for a static image, compared to the one that we are discussing in the Catamaran article. Cheers, HopsonRoad ( talk) 0:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi HopsonRoad, I see that you have removed the image of the replica of Donald Crowhurst's trimaran Teignmouth Electron that I had added to Trimaran, with the explanation "Interesting story involving a trimaran. Unfortunately, the image doesn't contribute to understanding trimarans." Actually I beg to differ, it was a specially modified Piver design for ocean racing, which unfortunately failed to complete the most difficult leg because the entrant decided it was too risky (but that is another story), and of quite a lot of historic and popular interest (refer its own article Teignmouth Electron). Unfortunately there are no pix of the original boat in the public domain which is why I put up the replica as the next best option. I do not intend to argue the point indefinitely but I think adding this image to a gallery (presumably showing the potential range of sailing trimaran designs, presently numbering only four, but arguably, "notable trimarans" would not be out of scope either) is reasonable. Just my opinion of course, in case I can change your mind on this one. Cheers Tony Tony 1212 ( talk) 03:34, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Bogong, in reference to my deletion of material in the subject section, it had a number of problems:
I trimmed the section down to a statement that was supported by a reliable source. It would be better to build it from there with properly supported material, rather than restore problematic material wholesale. I'm happy to help you build this section in line with WP guidelines. Sincerely, HopsonRoad ( talk) 00:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
There is a photo captioned "The Balatik, a paraw, a functioning replica of a traditional Austronesian sailing trimaran from the Visayas Islands of the Philippines", yet it shows a craft rigged with a completely conventional fore-and-aft sail and stay sails. Somehow I doubt that the Austronesians developed basically identical sail plans to those used in the Med and Europe, while at the same time adopting fundamentally different hull designs. The HULL is a replica, but the sails are not authentic. It even says in the text adjacent to the photo that most modern trimarans are fitted with modern sails like the bermuda rig, instead of crab claws or other unique forms of sail that would have been fitted on the original vessels. I understand that sails are not a rigid feature, and they can be changed, but if I showed a photo of "a replica of the USS Constitution" showing the famous frigate rigged out with a schooner rig on each mast, people would complain because it doesn't look or function like the original, and it's misleading to say it's a "replica" with such a fundemental difference. Idumea47b ( talk) 04:22, 26 November 2020 (UTC)