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"However, in general, classical music before the time of Mozart is executed beginning on the main note, and music from after the time of Mozart starts on the auxillary note." Is this acurate? Is it not the opposite??? -- Orpheo 10:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Classical music before Mozart starts trills on the preceding note, and those after start on the written note. You are correct. —Preceding
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23:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Not that it doesn't perfectly describe the notation, but is there no more technical/professional term available than "squiggly line"?! BigBlueFish 09:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 02:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I added a citation to a book, then I deleted the 'unreferenced' information box at the top.
I'm new to wikipedia so i'm unsure if this is acceptable or not, so please feel free to add it again if nessesary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabnt ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the following after listening to the last 7 minutes of the cited part one, which neither announces "The Venetian Effect" nor has anything resembling a trill.
On
Mike Oldfield's
Tubular Bells II, a digitally synthesized trill, referred to as "The Venetian Effect", is used extensively. It is formally introduced along with the other instruments at the end of
Part One.
If there is a trill elsewhere, some explanation of why it is notable, unique, or even apt as an example is still needed, I think.
Sparafucil (
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01:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, but let's hang on a bit: in the first place this effect is usually called bisbigliando by mandolinists and is not a trill as defined by the article. In the second place, before adding this to tremolo, what makes this particular example noteworthy? Does the reiteration of the note take place electronically as opposed to just playing/entering two notes for one? Sparafucil ( talk) 08:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see what you mean now (I think). For a one-use term, you might make a page the redirects to
Tubular_Bells_II#Instruments and put something in that article to the effect that
"The Venetian Effect" refers to a characteristic mandolin technique, the
bisbigliando or
tremolo, in which the effect of sustained notes is achieved by repetition.
Hope this helped!
Sparafucil (
talk)
01:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
With all due respect to the author who took the time to create and post the example of a Baroque trill and sound clips of its Baroque and "modern" realizations (visible near the beginning of the article and to the right), it seems a bit...funky. Unless it's some less common realization (using the + sign for the trill indicates it's French?), I think perhaps a more standard representation of a Baroque trill would be preferable. Specifically, the dotted-8th-note d" is not as clear as using two notes and a tie. Also, why is the note before the trill (that d) held over the beat? Why is the d then repeated? Even listening to the audio representation, it sounds rather...odd. Perhaps the dotted 8th was not supposed to be dotted?
Requesting some clarification on this one. IMHO, a more standard trill would be, starting on the trilled note itself, 16th-notes d"-c#"-d"-c#" (tied to an eighth-note c#"), then the 8th-note d" anticipation of the plain version followed by the last note of the example. Or there could be three d"-c#" rotations instead of just two, or the first d of the trill could be lengthened. But the version as shown in the article has me befuddled.
thankee
the_paccagnellan ( talk) 04:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Re: "The trill (or shake, as it was known from the 16th until the 19th century) is a musical ornament consisting of a rapid alternation between two adjacent notes, usually a semitone or tone apart, which can be identified with the context of the trill."
Several problems here: 1) In the twentieth century trill was the American term and shake the British term. 2) What "adjacent notes" are not "a semitone or tone apart"? 3) The term tone is not necessarily synonymous with whole-step or major second. It can include the semitone. 4) Rapid alternation between pitches greater than a major second apart is called tremolo. 4) The last clause, which can be identified with the context of the trill, is gibberish. TheScotch ( talk) 09:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I tried to separate out the line "Caccini also makes use of the term trillo..." from the block quote, by adding the "closing" "}}", which does successfully bring the non-quoted content back out to the left margin, but it also strangely leaves an errant "}}" in the visible text. Could someone more familiar with how to properly address Template:Quote please look into this? - Buckaboob Bonsai ( talk) 16:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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"However, in general, classical music before the time of Mozart is executed beginning on the main note, and music from after the time of Mozart starts on the auxillary note." Is this acurate? Is it not the opposite??? -- Orpheo 10:01, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Classical music before Mozart starts trills on the preceding note, and those after start on the written note. You are correct. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
65.98.138.53 (
talk)
23:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Not that it doesn't perfectly describe the notation, but is there no more technical/professional term available than "squiggly line"?! BigBlueFish 09:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 02:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I added a citation to a book, then I deleted the 'unreferenced' information box at the top.
I'm new to wikipedia so i'm unsure if this is acceptable or not, so please feel free to add it again if nessesary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabnt ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the following after listening to the last 7 minutes of the cited part one, which neither announces "The Venetian Effect" nor has anything resembling a trill.
On
Mike Oldfield's
Tubular Bells II, a digitally synthesized trill, referred to as "The Venetian Effect", is used extensively. It is formally introduced along with the other instruments at the end of
Part One.
If there is a trill elsewhere, some explanation of why it is notable, unique, or even apt as an example is still needed, I think.
Sparafucil (
talk)
01:49, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, but let's hang on a bit: in the first place this effect is usually called bisbigliando by mandolinists and is not a trill as defined by the article. In the second place, before adding this to tremolo, what makes this particular example noteworthy? Does the reiteration of the note take place electronically as opposed to just playing/entering two notes for one? Sparafucil ( talk) 08:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I see what you mean now (I think). For a one-use term, you might make a page the redirects to
Tubular_Bells_II#Instruments and put something in that article to the effect that
"The Venetian Effect" refers to a characteristic mandolin technique, the
bisbigliando or
tremolo, in which the effect of sustained notes is achieved by repetition.
Hope this helped!
Sparafucil (
talk)
01:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
With all due respect to the author who took the time to create and post the example of a Baroque trill and sound clips of its Baroque and "modern" realizations (visible near the beginning of the article and to the right), it seems a bit...funky. Unless it's some less common realization (using the + sign for the trill indicates it's French?), I think perhaps a more standard representation of a Baroque trill would be preferable. Specifically, the dotted-8th-note d" is not as clear as using two notes and a tie. Also, why is the note before the trill (that d) held over the beat? Why is the d then repeated? Even listening to the audio representation, it sounds rather...odd. Perhaps the dotted 8th was not supposed to be dotted?
Requesting some clarification on this one. IMHO, a more standard trill would be, starting on the trilled note itself, 16th-notes d"-c#"-d"-c#" (tied to an eighth-note c#"), then the 8th-note d" anticipation of the plain version followed by the last note of the example. Or there could be three d"-c#" rotations instead of just two, or the first d of the trill could be lengthened. But the version as shown in the article has me befuddled.
thankee
the_paccagnellan ( talk) 04:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Re: "The trill (or shake, as it was known from the 16th until the 19th century) is a musical ornament consisting of a rapid alternation between two adjacent notes, usually a semitone or tone apart, which can be identified with the context of the trill."
Several problems here: 1) In the twentieth century trill was the American term and shake the British term. 2) What "adjacent notes" are not "a semitone or tone apart"? 3) The term tone is not necessarily synonymous with whole-step or major second. It can include the semitone. 4) Rapid alternation between pitches greater than a major second apart is called tremolo. 4) The last clause, which can be identified with the context of the trill, is gibberish. TheScotch ( talk) 09:29, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I tried to separate out the line "Caccini also makes use of the term trillo..." from the block quote, by adding the "closing" "}}", which does successfully bring the non-quoted content back out to the left margin, but it also strangely leaves an errant "}}" in the visible text. Could someone more familiar with how to properly address Template:Quote please look into this? - Buckaboob Bonsai ( talk) 16:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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