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This article is based on the mistaken belief that the "stingray fedora" is actually a trilby. This is utterly incorrect. "Trilby" is just a British name for "fedora" (any fedora, so that the name "trilby" encompasses all fedora style hats)), the only difference was that Trilbies sometimes had a higher crown. This article almost exclusively refers to the "Stingray fedora", except for the little bit of information about the play. The article should be retitled "stingray fedora", and "Trilby" should be added to the main article on fedora hats. I don't know how to do this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozoneocean ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 17 September 2016 (UTC) That should be "stingy brim fedora" OzoneO ( talk) 07:56, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
'Most of the trilby hats were made in Denton, Greater Manchester where several mills produced hats. In bygone days a man walking through this town not wearing a hat would be verbally abused. The main advert for this trade was "if you want to get ahead . . . get a hat"
Why is half of this article a discussion of a little-known newspaperman, who has nothing to do with trilby hats? If he's important enough to write several paragraphs about, give him his own page. I'll make this change myself if no one else complains, suggests an alternative, or does it himself soon... -- JdwNYC 02:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
--- I agree, and found that "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Redirected from Trilby Ewer) William Norman Ewer (1885 - 1976) was a British journalist..." DOES have its own entry, and should be removed, (except for a link) from this entry.
I wish to add the information about Trilby, Florida, the community named for the book in 1894 in a new entry. Then link to there from here. How do I do that? rkr@yahoo.com (www.trilbyfl.com)
What's the difference between a trilby and a fedora? Someone who knows should make a mention of and link to fedora in this article. -- Delirium 06:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Pork_pie_hat says the pork pie hat IS a trilby, and links this article. This strikes me as kind of ...dumb.-unsigned
Are they in fact the same thing? Are they distinct enough to have separate articles? If not, I think merging the actual text of the articles (as both have information the other lacks) seems appropriate. (As opposed to simply deleting one and redirecting.)-unsigned
"a soft felt men's hat"
Traditionally no, they have not worn them. No more than men wore bonnets. Whether women are not SUPPOSED to wear them is a different question than whether they are made and designed for women. -- DavidShankBone 15:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
What do Trilby's feet (in the novel) have to do with the brim of the hat? Are they shaped by having comely young women step on them, or something? The article needs some explanation for this edit, or have it removed. -- nae'blis (talk) 19:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe that this is unnecessary, on the page for socks we do not include notable sock wearers. I think a few mentions of people who it was their trademark to wear such a hat such as Indiana Jones, should be briefly mentioned in the article, but a list of people is not necessary. Gorky malorki 00:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC) Jones wore a fedora, not a trilby.— Kan8eDie ( talk) 13:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Are you seriously comparing trilbies to socks? The major difference is that while virtually everyone in the Western world wears socks, substantially less wear trilbies. In fact, I believe you would find that an incredibly small percent actually do! So if a notable person wears a trilby frequently or indeed uses a trilby as a trademark, it deserves mention. I see no problem with a list of notable trilby wearers. Carlinus ( talk) 18:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Would that list include fictional characters? Case in point being (but not limited to) Trilby, the hero of half of the Chzo Mythos games by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw (mentioned in passing on the page already as his 'other works') -- notable in that the character wears such a hat throughout his appearances, even those of his clones later on, and uses the hat name as an alias (hence, his name being Trilby). So, again, would fictional characters such as this one be mentioned in the aforementioned list? 72.234.50.130 ( talk) 06:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I was WP:BOLD and added the {{ cleanup-section}} for Trilby#Notable Trilby Wearers. List should be alphabetized for sure and massively shortened, as mentioned above.
'They are similar to fedoras, which have a wider brim and are mainly an American hat.' Is it the Fedora, or the Trilby, which is mainly an America hat? If you remove the clause 'which have a wider brim' you see it is completely ambiguous. I don't know the answer, but suggest changing to either: Trilbies are mainly an American hat, and have a winder brim than fedoras. Trilbies are similar to fedoras, which can be seen as an American version with a wider brim. Bilz0r ( talk) 09:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Is this the same type of hat that Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan always wears? Apparently, it's traditionally worn by tribal chiefs in his area. Esn ( talk) 02:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The image that is on this page does not show the difference enough between a fedora and trilby. I probably have a trilby hat, so I'll take a photo of it, and then upload it. Maybe even take a photo of it next to fedora so that the difference between them can be more obvious. JDDJS ( talk) 17:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I uploaded an image of trilby hat, but I have to edit the image a little. However, before I go through that effort, I want to make sure it is a trilby and not a fedora. Here is the photo File:Trilbyhat.JPG. JDDJS ( talk) 18:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I recommend that this section be edited. The comment on the Blues Brothers wearing Trilby hats is not correct. The brim is far too wide. They are fedoras. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.112.235 ( talk) 04:33, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I have always thought that a Trilby is a type of fedora, at least the conclusion I have made from the fedora article leads me to believe that a fedora is a casual/soft hat not being fixed like a tophat or kepi. A Trilby, then, is a fedora, but not all fedoras are trilbys (clearly). I have yet to see this patently disproven. Coemgenv ( talk) 20:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Not really sure if UK views that hat in the image as a Trilby. The Trilby resembles an American fedora quite a bit. The hat in the image is a porkpie with the front of the brim snapped downwardly. There needs to be a better image there. That image is misleading, even if it is labeled as some sort of Trilby. Also, the plural of "Trilby" is "Trilbys".Discussion? Djathink imacowboy 23:09, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
...is an unnecessary seciton. Recently I viewed edits that seemed to have been made by me, relating to Chang Kai Shek. I made no such edits and do not know how it was done with my signature. But that is the end of that section. It is not meeting the standard of notability. Djathink imacowboy 07:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
As a UK National I'd just like to state that I've never heard of a trilby being referred to as "the brown trilby" (unless someone is talking about a specific hat). As far as I'm aware trilby hats come in all manner of colours and so request a citation for this statement. MikeEagling ( talk) 13:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
According to his own website (www.bernhardroetzel.de [1]) Bernard Roetzel is German so I question his authority on the subject but thanks for adding the citation so quickly :) MikeEagling ( talk) 21:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
That is a most interesting observation, but he writes authoritatively about UK life, at least in the 1990s. What he says about his nationality on his site is neither here nor there to this article. Articles are not about OR or POV and ther's no place for them. It is about getting significant facts and citing them. So I appreciate the desire to see a citation and hopefully I delivered. What I wish to ask is, will we cite every single word we write in an article? Wouldn't[1] that[2] look[3] bloody[3 1/2] marvelous[4] ![5] Djathink imacowboy 00:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, I think clouding the issue with someone's nationality is 'dirty pool'. Roetzel wrote it, had it published in his book, and it meets Wikipedia's general rule. I am grateful you are replacing the removal of... whatever it is, since I have noticed no activity on the article lately. Also, I take exception to your calling a cited statement "spurious". Provide your citations for everything against Roetzel that you have argued so far. If all you have to say is that he's German...! Djathink imacowboy (yell) 06:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I read perfectly well. What I read between the lines is you want an eternal argument about an acceptable, by-the-book citation. Why do you keep posting like this if you accept it? And why are you now backpedaling about Roetzel being German, to which you earlier took exception? You sounded like you wanted a citation proving he's been in England. Djathink imacowboy (yell) 23:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
So... with all this sophomoric discussion on who is allowed to speak authoritatively on Anglo-culture, I am still left wondering what the "brown trilby" thing is. I find no mention of it with Googling, and I'd appreciate illumination as I find it interesting, yet odd. Coemgenv ( talk) 20:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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There was nothing unacceptable about any of Card Zero's edits. As far as I can see, they were perfectly in accordance with wp:BRD. What is i.m.o. unacceptable, is your intervention here. For such things you should just revert with edit summary, and invite the contributor to go to talk page if they don't agree, or go there yourself. Coming here and, in a section with a header containing the contributor's username (See wp:TALKNEW), accusing them of disruptive editing and edit warring is not appropriate, and looks like a schoolbook example of failing to wp:AGF. Please don't do this. I have removed the username from the section header. - DVdm ( talk) 13:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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I have rescinded my negative statements about Card Zero- but the issue itself does belong here. The issue is Roetzel and the other statements in the article, that seem so controversial. It's just a hat. Djathink imacowboy (yell) 02:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I believe Roetzel and other gentleman guides (pssibly also Amy Vanderbilt) all describe the trilby quite clearly as a type of fedora. It is certainly not a type of slouch hat, which is an Australian safari hat! I move we change that language, or I will do so if I see no objection. Meanwhile, I am removing the slouch hat statement unless it can be cited. If so, I will leave off noting it is a type of fedora.—— Djathink imacowboy 18:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
The information on this page is mostly wrong. Only the origin of the names seems correct. The photo does not show a trilby at all. What it dose show is a type of fedora Tyrolean hybrid that became popular in the USA after World War II. I'm stuck in Iowa and can not get out to civilization to photograph hats or I would include on of my own. So I will try to link a photo of a real trilby https://baronkurtzvintage.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/1930shepworthsfedora11.jpg?w=545&h=380. As you can see the text of this entry describes something other than a trilby. Please take this page down, it is the sort of thing that makes people laugh at Wikipedia. Danny Vaulter ( talk) 06:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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In dogged opposition to a recent dispute to the contrary, I cite the following as at least one instance of the term trilby hat, but which may very well be the only such instance anyone has ever heard: an excerpt from the lyric to Arthur Daley, 'E's Alright by The Firm:--
The geezer with the bunny in the trilby 'at/ Reckons he's legit but he ain't all that/ Arthur Daley, a little dodgy maybe,/ But underneath, .... 'E's alright is Arthur
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This article is based on the mistaken belief that the "stingray fedora" is actually a trilby. This is utterly incorrect. "Trilby" is just a British name for "fedora" (any fedora, so that the name "trilby" encompasses all fedora style hats)), the only difference was that Trilbies sometimes had a higher crown. This article almost exclusively refers to the "Stingray fedora", except for the little bit of information about the play. The article should be retitled "stingray fedora", and "Trilby" should be added to the main article on fedora hats. I don't know how to do this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozoneocean ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 17 September 2016 (UTC) That should be "stingy brim fedora" OzoneO ( talk) 07:56, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
'Most of the trilby hats were made in Denton, Greater Manchester where several mills produced hats. In bygone days a man walking through this town not wearing a hat would be verbally abused. The main advert for this trade was "if you want to get ahead . . . get a hat"
Why is half of this article a discussion of a little-known newspaperman, who has nothing to do with trilby hats? If he's important enough to write several paragraphs about, give him his own page. I'll make this change myself if no one else complains, suggests an alternative, or does it himself soon... -- JdwNYC 02:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
--- I agree, and found that "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. (Redirected from Trilby Ewer) William Norman Ewer (1885 - 1976) was a British journalist..." DOES have its own entry, and should be removed, (except for a link) from this entry.
I wish to add the information about Trilby, Florida, the community named for the book in 1894 in a new entry. Then link to there from here. How do I do that? rkr@yahoo.com (www.trilbyfl.com)
What's the difference between a trilby and a fedora? Someone who knows should make a mention of and link to fedora in this article. -- Delirium 06:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Pork_pie_hat says the pork pie hat IS a trilby, and links this article. This strikes me as kind of ...dumb.-unsigned
Are they in fact the same thing? Are they distinct enough to have separate articles? If not, I think merging the actual text of the articles (as both have information the other lacks) seems appropriate. (As opposed to simply deleting one and redirecting.)-unsigned
"a soft felt men's hat"
Traditionally no, they have not worn them. No more than men wore bonnets. Whether women are not SUPPOSED to wear them is a different question than whether they are made and designed for women. -- DavidShankBone 15:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
What do Trilby's feet (in the novel) have to do with the brim of the hat? Are they shaped by having comely young women step on them, or something? The article needs some explanation for this edit, or have it removed. -- nae'blis (talk) 19:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe that this is unnecessary, on the page for socks we do not include notable sock wearers. I think a few mentions of people who it was their trademark to wear such a hat such as Indiana Jones, should be briefly mentioned in the article, but a list of people is not necessary. Gorky malorki 00:34, 16 June 2008 (UTC) Jones wore a fedora, not a trilby.— Kan8eDie ( talk) 13:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Are you seriously comparing trilbies to socks? The major difference is that while virtually everyone in the Western world wears socks, substantially less wear trilbies. In fact, I believe you would find that an incredibly small percent actually do! So if a notable person wears a trilby frequently or indeed uses a trilby as a trademark, it deserves mention. I see no problem with a list of notable trilby wearers. Carlinus ( talk) 18:37, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Would that list include fictional characters? Case in point being (but not limited to) Trilby, the hero of half of the Chzo Mythos games by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw (mentioned in passing on the page already as his 'other works') -- notable in that the character wears such a hat throughout his appearances, even those of his clones later on, and uses the hat name as an alias (hence, his name being Trilby). So, again, would fictional characters such as this one be mentioned in the aforementioned list? 72.234.50.130 ( talk) 06:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I was WP:BOLD and added the {{ cleanup-section}} for Trilby#Notable Trilby Wearers. List should be alphabetized for sure and massively shortened, as mentioned above.
'They are similar to fedoras, which have a wider brim and are mainly an American hat.' Is it the Fedora, or the Trilby, which is mainly an America hat? If you remove the clause 'which have a wider brim' you see it is completely ambiguous. I don't know the answer, but suggest changing to either: Trilbies are mainly an American hat, and have a winder brim than fedoras. Trilbies are similar to fedoras, which can be seen as an American version with a wider brim. Bilz0r ( talk) 09:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Is this the same type of hat that Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan always wears? Apparently, it's traditionally worn by tribal chiefs in his area. Esn ( talk) 02:06, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The image that is on this page does not show the difference enough between a fedora and trilby. I probably have a trilby hat, so I'll take a photo of it, and then upload it. Maybe even take a photo of it next to fedora so that the difference between them can be more obvious. JDDJS ( talk) 17:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I uploaded an image of trilby hat, but I have to edit the image a little. However, before I go through that effort, I want to make sure it is a trilby and not a fedora. Here is the photo File:Trilbyhat.JPG. JDDJS ( talk) 18:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I recommend that this section be edited. The comment on the Blues Brothers wearing Trilby hats is not correct. The brim is far too wide. They are fedoras. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.112.235 ( talk) 04:33, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I have always thought that a Trilby is a type of fedora, at least the conclusion I have made from the fedora article leads me to believe that a fedora is a casual/soft hat not being fixed like a tophat or kepi. A Trilby, then, is a fedora, but not all fedoras are trilbys (clearly). I have yet to see this patently disproven. Coemgenv ( talk) 20:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Not really sure if UK views that hat in the image as a Trilby. The Trilby resembles an American fedora quite a bit. The hat in the image is a porkpie with the front of the brim snapped downwardly. There needs to be a better image there. That image is misleading, even if it is labeled as some sort of Trilby. Also, the plural of "Trilby" is "Trilbys".Discussion? Djathink imacowboy 23:09, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
...is an unnecessary seciton. Recently I viewed edits that seemed to have been made by me, relating to Chang Kai Shek. I made no such edits and do not know how it was done with my signature. But that is the end of that section. It is not meeting the standard of notability. Djathink imacowboy 07:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
As a UK National I'd just like to state that I've never heard of a trilby being referred to as "the brown trilby" (unless someone is talking about a specific hat). As far as I'm aware trilby hats come in all manner of colours and so request a citation for this statement. MikeEagling ( talk) 13:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
According to his own website (www.bernhardroetzel.de [1]) Bernard Roetzel is German so I question his authority on the subject but thanks for adding the citation so quickly :) MikeEagling ( talk) 21:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
That is a most interesting observation, but he writes authoritatively about UK life, at least in the 1990s. What he says about his nationality on his site is neither here nor there to this article. Articles are not about OR or POV and ther's no place for them. It is about getting significant facts and citing them. So I appreciate the desire to see a citation and hopefully I delivered. What I wish to ask is, will we cite every single word we write in an article? Wouldn't[1] that[2] look[3] bloody[3 1/2] marvelous[4] ![5] Djathink imacowboy 00:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, I think clouding the issue with someone's nationality is 'dirty pool'. Roetzel wrote it, had it published in his book, and it meets Wikipedia's general rule. I am grateful you are replacing the removal of... whatever it is, since I have noticed no activity on the article lately. Also, I take exception to your calling a cited statement "spurious". Provide your citations for everything against Roetzel that you have argued so far. If all you have to say is that he's German...! Djathink imacowboy (yell) 06:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
I read perfectly well. What I read between the lines is you want an eternal argument about an acceptable, by-the-book citation. Why do you keep posting like this if you accept it? And why are you now backpedaling about Roetzel being German, to which you earlier took exception? You sounded like you wanted a citation proving he's been in England. Djathink imacowboy (yell) 23:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
So... with all this sophomoric discussion on who is allowed to speak authoritatively on Anglo-culture, I am still left wondering what the "brown trilby" thing is. I find no mention of it with Googling, and I'd appreciate illumination as I find it interesting, yet odd. Coemgenv ( talk) 20:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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There was nothing unacceptable about any of Card Zero's edits. As far as I can see, they were perfectly in accordance with wp:BRD. What is i.m.o. unacceptable, is your intervention here. For such things you should just revert with edit summary, and invite the contributor to go to talk page if they don't agree, or go there yourself. Coming here and, in a section with a header containing the contributor's username (See wp:TALKNEW), accusing them of disruptive editing and edit warring is not appropriate, and looks like a schoolbook example of failing to wp:AGF. Please don't do this. I have removed the username from the section header. - DVdm ( talk) 13:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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I have rescinded my negative statements about Card Zero- but the issue itself does belong here. The issue is Roetzel and the other statements in the article, that seem so controversial. It's just a hat. Djathink imacowboy (yell) 02:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I believe Roetzel and other gentleman guides (pssibly also Amy Vanderbilt) all describe the trilby quite clearly as a type of fedora. It is certainly not a type of slouch hat, which is an Australian safari hat! I move we change that language, or I will do so if I see no objection. Meanwhile, I am removing the slouch hat statement unless it can be cited. If so, I will leave off noting it is a type of fedora.—— Djathink imacowboy 18:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
The information on this page is mostly wrong. Only the origin of the names seems correct. The photo does not show a trilby at all. What it dose show is a type of fedora Tyrolean hybrid that became popular in the USA after World War II. I'm stuck in Iowa and can not get out to civilization to photograph hats or I would include on of my own. So I will try to link a photo of a real trilby https://baronkurtzvintage.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/1930shepworthsfedora11.jpg?w=545&h=380. As you can see the text of this entry describes something other than a trilby. Please take this page down, it is the sort of thing that makes people laugh at Wikipedia. Danny Vaulter ( talk) 06:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/ c 14:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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Bowler hat inter alia.
Chicbyaccident (
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In dogged opposition to a recent dispute to the contrary, I cite the following as at least one instance of the term trilby hat, but which may very well be the only such instance anyone has ever heard: an excerpt from the lyric to Arthur Daley, 'E's Alright by The Firm:--
The geezer with the bunny in the trilby 'at/ Reckons he's legit but he ain't all that/ Arthur Daley, a little dodgy maybe,/ But underneath, .... 'E's alright is Arthur