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I don't know where to put the fact that although gender segregation was traditionally practiced, it is not practiced in American Tridentine Mass anymore, although the practice survives in Europe(correct me if i'm wrong) Akj150 ( talk) 01:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Lima, do you happen to know since when the gender segregation was dropped in America?-- Akj150 ( talk) 16:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Segregation by sex (not gender) was recommended up to the 1917 Code of Canon Law. (Canon 1262.1). It continued after that time as a local custom in many places but has since pretty much stopped. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 10:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Given that it's most recently been referred to as such by the highest authority on the matter. "Tridentine Mass" as a name for the Mass is historically inaccurate as what is referred to as the "Tridentine Mass" is essentially the same Mass from a thousand years prior to the Council of Trent with all the extra prayers added in over the years removed that made the liturgy too long. There is also an article titled 'Extraordinary form of the Roman Rite' already so perhaps this one should be merged into that one.
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Veverve whose edit summary stated: they are not broken
I did not have to look hard to find:
[http://therambleronline.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=86 The Mass of the Consilium and the Mass of the Ages]
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converted to:
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or
[https://archive.today/20120915074642/http://www.syonabbey.org/Publications/massapostles.html The Mass of the Apostles]
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— Trappist the monk ( talk) 23:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
This article has a confused and overlapping scope with other articles. The hatnote claims that this article is only about the historical situation and to see Preconciliar rites after the Second Vatican Council. Yet at the end of this "Tridentine Mass" article we have "Present practice" and lots of stuff about the post-Vatican II, modern up-to-the-minute situation for the TLM. So which is it going to be? Elizium23 ( talk) 08:40, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
“Sometimes the term "Tridentine Mass" is applied restrictively to Masses in which the final 1962 edition of the Tridentine Roman Missal is used, the only edition still authorized, under certain conditions, as an extraordinary form of the Roman Rite Mass.”
I think this is incorrect. I am pretty sure the FSSP and (maybe) the ICKSP have an indult to practise the pre-1955 Holy Week, which doesn’t use the 1962 missal. Ed is the standard text editor ( talk) 00:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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I don't know where to put the fact that although gender segregation was traditionally practiced, it is not practiced in American Tridentine Mass anymore, although the practice survives in Europe(correct me if i'm wrong) Akj150 ( talk) 01:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Lima, do you happen to know since when the gender segregation was dropped in America?-- Akj150 ( talk) 16:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Segregation by sex (not gender) was recommended up to the 1917 Code of Canon Law. (Canon 1262.1). It continued after that time as a local custom in many places but has since pretty much stopped. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 10:20, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Given that it's most recently been referred to as such by the highest authority on the matter. "Tridentine Mass" as a name for the Mass is historically inaccurate as what is referred to as the "Tridentine Mass" is essentially the same Mass from a thousand years prior to the Council of Trent with all the extra prayers added in over the years removed that made the liturgy too long. There is also an article titled 'Extraordinary form of the Roman Rite' already so perhaps this one should be merged into that one.
Re:
this revert by Editor
Veverve whose edit summary stated: they are not broken
I did not have to look hard to find:
[http://therambleronline.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=86 The Mass of the Consilium and the Mass of the Ages]
converted to:
{{Cite web|url=https://www.afternic.com/forsale/therambleronline.com?utm_source=TDFS_DASLNC&utm_medium=DASLNC&utm_campaign=TDFS_DASLNC&traffic_type=TDFS_DASLNC&traffic_id=daslnc&option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=86|title=therambleronline.com|website=www.afternic.com}}
or
[http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive_2008_0515_god_was_worshipped_here_today.htm God Was Worshipped Here Today]{{dead link |date=August 2018 |bot=InternetArchiveBot |fix-attempted=yes}}
converted to:
{{Cite web|url=http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive_2008_0515_god_was_worshipped_here_today.htm|title=God Was Worshipped Here Today}}
or
[https://archive.today/20120915074642/http://www.syonabbey.org/Publications/massapostles.html The Mass of the Apostles]
converted to:
{{Cite web|url=http://www.syonabbey.org/Publications/massapostles.html|archiveurl=http://archive.today/20120915074642/http://www.syonabbey.org/Publications/massapostles.html|deadurl=y|title=The Mass of the Apostles}}
{{
cite web}}
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requires |archive-date=
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help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
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help)Every one of these examples is broken:
<title>...</title>
tags in the seller's webpage{{
cite web}}
emits two red error messages which were ignored by the editor who activated Refill; complaints about the |deadurl=y
problem have been ignored by the original author and subsequent maintainersEditors who use WP:Refill are responsible for the edits that it suggests. It is poor practice to simply accept the tool's suggestions as good edits (they very often are not) and leave behind a mess for other editors to cleanup. I shall revert Editor Veverve's revert.
— Trappist the monk ( talk) 23:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
This article has a confused and overlapping scope with other articles. The hatnote claims that this article is only about the historical situation and to see Preconciliar rites after the Second Vatican Council. Yet at the end of this "Tridentine Mass" article we have "Present practice" and lots of stuff about the post-Vatican II, modern up-to-the-minute situation for the TLM. So which is it going to be? Elizium23 ( talk) 08:40, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
“Sometimes the term "Tridentine Mass" is applied restrictively to Masses in which the final 1962 edition of the Tridentine Roman Missal is used, the only edition still authorized, under certain conditions, as an extraordinary form of the Roman Rite Mass.”
I think this is incorrect. I am pretty sure the FSSP and (maybe) the ICKSP have an indult to practise the pre-1955 Holy Week, which doesn’t use the 1962 missal. Ed is the standard text editor ( talk) 00:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)