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I've begun destroying the criticisms section and merging it into the rest of the article. The article kinda sucks, so the article as a whole needs to be expanded while we work on removing the criticisms section. I'm not overjoyed with the changes I've made, so that's where you come in to throw in your wiki sense! Alphalife ( talk) 18:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the follwing
which was immediately reverted due to an "external links" policy violation. Reading the policy, I'm still not sure how this applies. Anyone? SkyDot ( talk) 20:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I found that site via a pointer from a news article. This problem has been in the news quite a lot this year. I think a blurb belongs in a "criticisms" section, but someone seems to have deleted that section on purpose. I'm not sure it belongs in a top-level section on its own, so what would you suggest? SkyDot ( talk) 22:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the ticket machines are all at MAX stops, but the problem is really with Tri-Met. I can see how it might be relevant to both. SkyDot ( talk) 09:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The last three 2400-series buses have been retired. The last day of use of any of them in service was August 1. I favor leaving them in the bus fleet list in the article — with a transitional phrase, which I've added there — for a month or two, after which time I intend to delete them (if there are no objections to this plan). The Washington Park Shuttle is using 1900-series buses now. SJ Morg ( talk) 08:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
The lede is too short, and the timeline needs to be converted into prose. That is, make it a history section and move it up as it should be the first section of the article after the lede, and incorporate parts of the "General" section into it. Also, we no longer do much in the way of left aligned images ( WP:MOSIMAGE) and text should not be squeezed between images or templates. There also appears to be a fair amount of one-sentence paragraphs, the "service district" section needs something done of either converting it to prose or re-doing it as the indent on the Portland see also looks bad (not sure why there are see alsos there in general as these items are covered elsewhere and not particularly relevant to the district service area), not sure why WES has its own section (already linked to under rail lines and the other lines do not have there own stand-alone sections), and there is no need to start section headers with "TriMet" on the TriMet page. But it is looking better, and these are more cosmetic than substantive changes. Aboutmovies ( talk) 08:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TriMet#TriMet_Route_History
I'd like to follow up on this as to say: in 1993, there was also a Line 153 which appears to be a shuttle line serving Molalla, south of the Clackamas Community College campus, assuming the same route Line 33 had in its occasional peak-hour trips south of the college. That's according to the TriMet System Map (see the Oregon City inset) dated September 5, 1993.
Line 87-Washington Square/Beaverton was a peak-hour shuttle service that served between the Washington Square mall and the former 1979-built Beaverton Transit Center via Murray Blvd., assuming much of the same route as today's Line 62-Murray Blvd. This was one of seven daytime routes cancelled after September 7, 1986 (#46-Maplewood and #49-Arnold Creek were others) as part of that year's budget cuts.
While Line 40-Johns Landing is made mention of in the January 1984-dated Fareless Square map, I'd like to think this route and all other "new" routes covered in this map had actually begun service September 4, 1983.
That same map also witnessed the temporary closure of the Steel Bridge and the permanent relocation of all cross-mall routes from Morrison (westbound) and Yamhill (eastbound) streets to Washington (westbound) and Salmon (eastbound) streets, so that the inaugural MAX Blue Line's tracks could be built. The Troutdale (#18) and Gresham (then #24) lines continued service via I-84 to and from Portland through June of '84, at which point the latter line was discontinued, while the former gained new service to the Hollywood District assuming the same route as then Line #40-Halsey to 67th, then using Tillamook between 67th and 92nd, and then back on Halsey and the rest of its regular eastbound route. I also notice Line #18 in that map also goes somewhere south of 5th Avenue (presumably to SW 1st & Arthur), since it appears to go off the map.
WikiPro1981X ( talk) 02:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Steve. Please stop deleting this section. It takes me a lot of time and effort to reload it each time. I believe that your sited reasons for deleting it are not accurate according to the Wikipedia rules. Also, you do not control the content of this page. This is a forum for all to post accurate information about TriMet. Where I have uncertainty about a start / end date, I've placed a ~ (approximately) mark. Over time, I plan to link each noted route with a scanned copy of that route's map from my TriMet timetable collection. I've been trying to communicate with you via e-mail, but you no longer seem to be at (redacted). My email address is ColinFWheeler@yahoo.com. Thanks and best regards, Colin Wheeler — Preceding unsigned comment added by CFWheeler ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Lets take this reference from the article for example. There is nothing negative or self-critical. To me it seems to resemble a press release. As a simple yes or no test please read only the first paragraph and tell me if it passes criteria one of
Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves Shortcut: WP:SELFSOURCE Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as: 1.the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; 2.it does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities); 3.it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject; 4.there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; 5.the article is not based primarily on such sources.
That is my contention with swaths of this article. PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 08:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes thats grand. just revert my edits without coming on here to explain yourself. PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 08:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
If only trimet knows their info then maybe it shouldnt be included? Me hate Trimet? No. I just want to include significant news events that have involved trimet. The fact that people have been killed due to driver negligence should not go unmentioned. So it is ok to include info that is unsourced? PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 03:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Trimet has also been the subject of lawsuits here and here. So it would be the truth if I said that Trimet has been on the receiving end of several lawsuits over the years.
WHile I still maintain that it is in poor form and would not pass muster for FA I will back away from the small details since you all must have them. Who cares what size the rails are or what the name of the car model is? I almost feel as if there are people with aspbergers on here(not this article. But wikipedia in general) who must have the most remote technical detail entrenched for reasons unknown to them. Anyways yeah I am for all the proper citing and such and neutral presentation of them. I am sure you will all help me with that as far as judging what is and isnt a npov. Anyways I was working on this other article so this one will have to wait till tommorow for those citation hookups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PortlandOregon97217 ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh and Sj morg: you misunderstood when I said I didnt care what anyone thinks. I mean that in regards to movies talking about my needing to gain the respect of the people on here. In that regard I could care less what your personal opinion is of me or whatever I have to say. Now I by defualt have to care when it comes to what goes on articles. duh! Thats what happens when you completely write people off, the way I have written movies off for his personal attack on me on the page you like to mention. I mean I have a job working 30+ hrs a week, internship, wife. Why would I really pay any attention to these longwinded non succinct arguements movies was trying to pass my way on the "other page" PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 08:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
The question of whether or not TriMet's own publications can be used in this article is an easy one: of course they can. They simply have to be used judiciously. PortlandOR, your recent deletions are not justified, not without discussion and consensus. - Pete ( talk) 15:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
I have some suggestions for some improvements to the bus fleet section I wanted some input on:
This feels like it should be in a history section (I guess the timeline in this article). If we think the fact that TriMet doesn't have artics is notable, maybe we can leave a short blurb on this section of the page. Something to the effect of "TriMet does not currently operate any 60-foot (18 m) articulated buses."
As it stands this doesn't feel notable at all. There's no mention of the fact that TriMet purchased several hundred New Flyer D40LF buses over the course of nearly a decade in this section, yet this small order of 40 buses gets a rather sizable write-up. I move to delete it.
Also I think it's worth mentioning in the article that TriMet held off on purchasing any buses between 2009 and 2012 because of the budget shortfall created by the "great recession." That would provide an opportunity to explain why some of the buses in current fleet are so old (25 years old!) and provide a nice segue into the rapid purchases of buses from Gillig.
I'd love to hear input from the other editors who regularly work on this page before I make these changes. -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 16:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
This is a discussion to determine whether or not the List of TriMet bus routes will be added back onto Wikipedia, specifically. It was previously deleted, though I have updated it. I find it ridiculous it doesn't currently have a spot on this page. A draft can be found on
my sandbox page.
Please use "Agree" or "Disagree" and state your reason. This will be left up here until at least October 4, 2015 to determine a consensus. If no consensus is reached, or no comments have been made, the list may be put up regardless. Thank you. RES2773 ( talk) 23:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC)RES2773 |
full name: LIFT Paratransit Service
The LIFT program
Has About 170 16 passenger vans
Transports about 1 million rides per year
Based out of 3 garages: one for each county
On an average weekday:
LIFT operators perform 3500 to 4000 trips
operators drive 24,455 miles
Central dispatch handles 900 to 1000 customer calls with 6 dispatchers
Reservationists take over 2000 trip requests
–
50.39.218.224, 3:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Any thoughts on including the 2015 flooding of the MAX trains in the criticisms/controversy section? CassaundraS ( talk) 18:32, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
i don't know how to edit stuff
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.138.29 ( talk) 15:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
References
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.138.29 ( talk • contribs) 05:24, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
References
There are some articles out there from local papers about the TriMet police. They have about 70 officers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeroXero ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The topic is very specific to TriMet and I think it's too obscure to warrant its own article. On it's own, it may not pass GNG. Graywalls ( talk) 19:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
There’s a growing herd of new 60’ articulated TriMet buses, possibly as many as 20 mainly painted green, at NE Columbia near 40th. I’m not going to edit because I have only my own sighting and no facts beyond that. Tspofford ( talk) 01:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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I've begun destroying the criticisms section and merging it into the rest of the article. The article kinda sucks, so the article as a whole needs to be expanded while we work on removing the criticisms section. I'm not overjoyed with the changes I've made, so that's where you come in to throw in your wiki sense! Alphalife ( talk) 18:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the follwing
which was immediately reverted due to an "external links" policy violation. Reading the policy, I'm still not sure how this applies. Anyone? SkyDot ( talk) 20:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I found that site via a pointer from a news article. This problem has been in the news quite a lot this year. I think a blurb belongs in a "criticisms" section, but someone seems to have deleted that section on purpose. I'm not sure it belongs in a top-level section on its own, so what would you suggest? SkyDot ( talk) 22:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the ticket machines are all at MAX stops, but the problem is really with Tri-Met. I can see how it might be relevant to both. SkyDot ( talk) 09:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The last three 2400-series buses have been retired. The last day of use of any of them in service was August 1. I favor leaving them in the bus fleet list in the article — with a transitional phrase, which I've added there — for a month or two, after which time I intend to delete them (if there are no objections to this plan). The Washington Park Shuttle is using 1900-series buses now. SJ Morg ( talk) 08:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
The lede is too short, and the timeline needs to be converted into prose. That is, make it a history section and move it up as it should be the first section of the article after the lede, and incorporate parts of the "General" section into it. Also, we no longer do much in the way of left aligned images ( WP:MOSIMAGE) and text should not be squeezed between images or templates. There also appears to be a fair amount of one-sentence paragraphs, the "service district" section needs something done of either converting it to prose or re-doing it as the indent on the Portland see also looks bad (not sure why there are see alsos there in general as these items are covered elsewhere and not particularly relevant to the district service area), not sure why WES has its own section (already linked to under rail lines and the other lines do not have there own stand-alone sections), and there is no need to start section headers with "TriMet" on the TriMet page. But it is looking better, and these are more cosmetic than substantive changes. Aboutmovies ( talk) 08:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TriMet#TriMet_Route_History
I'd like to follow up on this as to say: in 1993, there was also a Line 153 which appears to be a shuttle line serving Molalla, south of the Clackamas Community College campus, assuming the same route Line 33 had in its occasional peak-hour trips south of the college. That's according to the TriMet System Map (see the Oregon City inset) dated September 5, 1993.
Line 87-Washington Square/Beaverton was a peak-hour shuttle service that served between the Washington Square mall and the former 1979-built Beaverton Transit Center via Murray Blvd., assuming much of the same route as today's Line 62-Murray Blvd. This was one of seven daytime routes cancelled after September 7, 1986 (#46-Maplewood and #49-Arnold Creek were others) as part of that year's budget cuts.
While Line 40-Johns Landing is made mention of in the January 1984-dated Fareless Square map, I'd like to think this route and all other "new" routes covered in this map had actually begun service September 4, 1983.
That same map also witnessed the temporary closure of the Steel Bridge and the permanent relocation of all cross-mall routes from Morrison (westbound) and Yamhill (eastbound) streets to Washington (westbound) and Salmon (eastbound) streets, so that the inaugural MAX Blue Line's tracks could be built. The Troutdale (#18) and Gresham (then #24) lines continued service via I-84 to and from Portland through June of '84, at which point the latter line was discontinued, while the former gained new service to the Hollywood District assuming the same route as then Line #40-Halsey to 67th, then using Tillamook between 67th and 92nd, and then back on Halsey and the rest of its regular eastbound route. I also notice Line #18 in that map also goes somewhere south of 5th Avenue (presumably to SW 1st & Arthur), since it appears to go off the map.
WikiPro1981X ( talk) 02:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Steve. Please stop deleting this section. It takes me a lot of time and effort to reload it each time. I believe that your sited reasons for deleting it are not accurate according to the Wikipedia rules. Also, you do not control the content of this page. This is a forum for all to post accurate information about TriMet. Where I have uncertainty about a start / end date, I've placed a ~ (approximately) mark. Over time, I plan to link each noted route with a scanned copy of that route's map from my TriMet timetable collection. I've been trying to communicate with you via e-mail, but you no longer seem to be at (redacted). My email address is ColinFWheeler@yahoo.com. Thanks and best regards, Colin Wheeler — Preceding unsigned comment added by CFWheeler ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Lets take this reference from the article for example. There is nothing negative or self-critical. To me it seems to resemble a press release. As a simple yes or no test please read only the first paragraph and tell me if it passes criteria one of
Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves Shortcut: WP:SELFSOURCE Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as: 1.the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; 2.it does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities); 3.it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject; 4.there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; 5.the article is not based primarily on such sources.
That is my contention with swaths of this article. PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 08:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes thats grand. just revert my edits without coming on here to explain yourself. PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 08:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
If only trimet knows their info then maybe it shouldnt be included? Me hate Trimet? No. I just want to include significant news events that have involved trimet. The fact that people have been killed due to driver negligence should not go unmentioned. So it is ok to include info that is unsourced? PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 03:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Trimet has also been the subject of lawsuits here and here. So it would be the truth if I said that Trimet has been on the receiving end of several lawsuits over the years.
WHile I still maintain that it is in poor form and would not pass muster for FA I will back away from the small details since you all must have them. Who cares what size the rails are or what the name of the car model is? I almost feel as if there are people with aspbergers on here(not this article. But wikipedia in general) who must have the most remote technical detail entrenched for reasons unknown to them. Anyways yeah I am for all the proper citing and such and neutral presentation of them. I am sure you will all help me with that as far as judging what is and isnt a npov. Anyways I was working on this other article so this one will have to wait till tommorow for those citation hookups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PortlandOregon97217 ( talk • contribs) 07:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh and Sj morg: you misunderstood when I said I didnt care what anyone thinks. I mean that in regards to movies talking about my needing to gain the respect of the people on here. In that regard I could care less what your personal opinion is of me or whatever I have to say. Now I by defualt have to care when it comes to what goes on articles. duh! Thats what happens when you completely write people off, the way I have written movies off for his personal attack on me on the page you like to mention. I mean I have a job working 30+ hrs a week, internship, wife. Why would I really pay any attention to these longwinded non succinct arguements movies was trying to pass my way on the "other page" PortlandOregon97217 ( talk) 08:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
The question of whether or not TriMet's own publications can be used in this article is an easy one: of course they can. They simply have to be used judiciously. PortlandOR, your recent deletions are not justified, not without discussion and consensus. - Pete ( talk) 15:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
I have some suggestions for some improvements to the bus fleet section I wanted some input on:
This feels like it should be in a history section (I guess the timeline in this article). If we think the fact that TriMet doesn't have artics is notable, maybe we can leave a short blurb on this section of the page. Something to the effect of "TriMet does not currently operate any 60-foot (18 m) articulated buses."
As it stands this doesn't feel notable at all. There's no mention of the fact that TriMet purchased several hundred New Flyer D40LF buses over the course of nearly a decade in this section, yet this small order of 40 buses gets a rather sizable write-up. I move to delete it.
Also I think it's worth mentioning in the article that TriMet held off on purchasing any buses between 2009 and 2012 because of the budget shortfall created by the "great recession." That would provide an opportunity to explain why some of the buses in current fleet are so old (25 years old!) and provide a nice segue into the rapid purchases of buses from Gillig.
I'd love to hear input from the other editors who regularly work on this page before I make these changes. -- RickyCourtney ( talk) 16:41, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
This is a discussion to determine whether or not the List of TriMet bus routes will be added back onto Wikipedia, specifically. It was previously deleted, though I have updated it. I find it ridiculous it doesn't currently have a spot on this page. A draft can be found on
my sandbox page.
Please use "Agree" or "Disagree" and state your reason. This will be left up here until at least October 4, 2015 to determine a consensus. If no consensus is reached, or no comments have been made, the list may be put up regardless. Thank you. RES2773 ( talk) 23:51, 22 September 2015 (UTC)RES2773 |
full name: LIFT Paratransit Service
The LIFT program
Has About 170 16 passenger vans
Transports about 1 million rides per year
Based out of 3 garages: one for each county
On an average weekday:
LIFT operators perform 3500 to 4000 trips
operators drive 24,455 miles
Central dispatch handles 900 to 1000 customer calls with 6 dispatchers
Reservationists take over 2000 trip requests
–
50.39.218.224, 3:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Any thoughts on including the 2015 flooding of the MAX trains in the criticisms/controversy section? CassaundraS ( talk) 18:32, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
i don't know how to edit stuff
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.138.29 ( talk) 15:25, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
References
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.138.29 ( talk • contribs) 05:24, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
References
There are some articles out there from local papers about the TriMet police. They have about 70 officers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZeroXero ( talk • contribs) 18:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
The topic is very specific to TriMet and I think it's too obscure to warrant its own article. On it's own, it may not pass GNG. Graywalls ( talk) 19:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
There’s a growing herd of new 60’ articulated TriMet buses, possibly as many as 20 mainly painted green, at NE Columbia near 40th. I’m not going to edit because I have only my own sighting and no facts beyond that. Tspofford ( talk) 01:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)