A fact from Treating in the United Kingdom appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 May 2019 (
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Did you know... that in UK elections, it is illegal for candidates to treat the voters?
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Someone dropped a "who?" in section
Treating (law)#Current offence. Searching for the mentioned phrase
finds a PDF that contains the referenced statement "An MP was unseated in 1911 for giving coal to the poor and sweets to schoolchildren in celebration of his twenty-fifth year in Parliament." The cite for that is
Kingston-upon-Hull Central Division case, Morely v Seymour King (1911) 6 O'M & H 372.
The article's name should be renamed to specify that this article is specifically about UK law. Or, we'd have to include a worldwide view.
MX (
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14:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge proposal
I propose merging this article and
Treating back into
Treating (law). I think the newly created Treating article is just a barebones
WP:DUPLICATE of the original (that was moved to "Treating in the UK" without discussion. Henceforth, I propose that Treating be merged into Treating in the United Kingdom and the merged article be moved back to Treating (law). The C of E God Save the King! (
talk)13:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose.
Treating in the United Kingdom and
Treating in Canada both satisfy GNG and are independently notable from
Treating generally throughout the world. (Many countries in the former British Empire have this, including Australia and other countries not yet listed). I do not think that
Treating (law) is a good page name for
Treating. I think the criminal offence and political practice is the primary topic. I think the social history of the political practice may be difficult to distinguish from the law of treating, and there are sources for the social history. I am aware that treating is not always illegal now and was not originally illegal: it seems to have existed long before the Treating Act of 1695/1696, the Treating Resolution of 2 April 1677 and the Bill of 1669 (see Rogers on Elections). I doubt that a single article on the law of treating is viable, just as you would not create an article on
Theft (law) instead of
Theft. If you want to split the laws, I think you will have to do separate country articles, at least for the UK and Canada. I should point out that
Treating was the original article created in 2008. It was not split from
Treating (law) and therefore cannot be merged back (my emphasis) to a place from which it never came in the first place.
Treating (law) (created in 2019 and now moved to
Treating in the United Kingdom) was the new article, and it was a split of a national subtopic. It was never the main article or the whole topic.
James500 (
talk)
14:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The problem is that the Treating article is almost empty and a lot of it is unsourced. It makes more sense to move what little can be salvaged of that into here (after its been cited) and move this article to the primary target. The C of E God Save the King! (
talk)06:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
A fact from Treating in the United Kingdom appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 May 2019 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that in UK elections, it is illegal for candidates to treat the voters?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Law, an attempt at providing a comprehensive, standardised, pan-jurisdictional and up-to-date resource for the
legal field and the subjects encompassed by it.LawWikipedia:WikiProject LawTemplate:WikiProject Lawlaw articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Elections and Referendums, an ongoing effort to improve the quality of, expand upon and create new articles relating to elections, electoral reform and other aspects of democratic decision-making. For more information, visit our project page.Elections and ReferendumsWikipedia:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsTemplate:WikiProject Elections and ReferendumsElections and Referendums articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the
United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom articles
Someone dropped a "who?" in section
Treating (law)#Current offence. Searching for the mentioned phrase
finds a PDF that contains the referenced statement "An MP was unseated in 1911 for giving coal to the poor and sweets to schoolchildren in celebration of his twenty-fifth year in Parliament." The cite for that is
Kingston-upon-Hull Central Division case, Morely v Seymour King (1911) 6 O'M & H 372.
The article's name should be renamed to specify that this article is specifically about UK law. Or, we'd have to include a worldwide view.
MX (
✉ •
✎)
14:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge proposal
I propose merging this article and
Treating back into
Treating (law). I think the newly created Treating article is just a barebones
WP:DUPLICATE of the original (that was moved to "Treating in the UK" without discussion. Henceforth, I propose that Treating be merged into Treating in the United Kingdom and the merged article be moved back to Treating (law). The C of E God Save the King! (
talk)13:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose.
Treating in the United Kingdom and
Treating in Canada both satisfy GNG and are independently notable from
Treating generally throughout the world. (Many countries in the former British Empire have this, including Australia and other countries not yet listed). I do not think that
Treating (law) is a good page name for
Treating. I think the criminal offence and political practice is the primary topic. I think the social history of the political practice may be difficult to distinguish from the law of treating, and there are sources for the social history. I am aware that treating is not always illegal now and was not originally illegal: it seems to have existed long before the Treating Act of 1695/1696, the Treating Resolution of 2 April 1677 and the Bill of 1669 (see Rogers on Elections). I doubt that a single article on the law of treating is viable, just as you would not create an article on
Theft (law) instead of
Theft. If you want to split the laws, I think you will have to do separate country articles, at least for the UK and Canada. I should point out that
Treating was the original article created in 2008. It was not split from
Treating (law) and therefore cannot be merged back (my emphasis) to a place from which it never came in the first place.
Treating (law) (created in 2019 and now moved to
Treating in the United Kingdom) was the new article, and it was a split of a national subtopic. It was never the main article or the whole topic.
James500 (
talk)
14:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The problem is that the Treating article is almost empty and a lot of it is unsourced. It makes more sense to move what little can be salvaged of that into here (after its been cited) and move this article to the primary target. The C of E God Save the King! (
talk)06:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply