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I am not too informed on the science - but could someone write something about momentum, or lack thereof - how this affects the speed you run on treadmill... --[[User:OldakQuill| Oldak Quill]] 19:28, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
"Some treadmills have load motors" — What does this line mean? Should that be "loud motors"? Coffee 05:45, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
It should be "loud" motors. Actually, the weight and running style of the user has at least as much effect on total noise as the motor does. RobertBraun ( talk) 21:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Help me please:
can some one let me know as what features must be looked when buying a tread mill?
I don't knwow any thing about the treadmill but am willing to buy one for me.
rajkantsharma@yahoo.com
Raj, Since different kinds of treadmills are designed for different uses and different users, it's more productive to ask the question as "what features do I need?" The typical treadmill is designed for the needs of the typical user. Typical use means light jogging several times per week for up to an hour each time by someone who weighs under 250 lbs. Typical features include cushioned belt, incline capability, and readouts for heart rate, distance, time, and calories. See http://www.treadmill-world.com/treadmill-buying-tips.html. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertBraun ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
A load motor is engineer lingo for a motor that offers resistance or drag, and allows the user to set the speed of the belt or the effort needed to move the belt. Might wish to use a more common term. Bobpage ( talk) 05:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Removed: "When professional cyclists are tested they will use their own bicycles (instead of a bike machine) on a treadmill." When professional cyclists are tested they use their own bicycles on an indoor trainer, not a treadmill. FreplySpang (talk) 00:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
If you run on a treadmill at a constant speed, that SHOULD be about the same as running outdoors. I have heard that setting the treadmill to a 1% incline should make up for the lack of wind resistance. My experience is that running fast on a treadmill is amazingly easier than running outside. The question is, why? (The person above who thinks the explanation is psychological seems to not be a runner who has had this experience.) Basic physics says that they should be about the same. It is hard to believe that the shock-absorbing features of the treadmill make that much difference. Is it possible that the makers of the gym equipment are cheating, intentionally mis-calibrating the equipment to make people think that they are doing better than they really are? Has anyone ever tested the true speeds of treadmills? Are there any good websites that go into all of these complicated details? Do serious runners train on treadmills?- 69.87.204.41 23:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The fact that the treadmill is moving and not the runner makes no difference in a physical sense. What matters is that the runner is moving relative to the treadmill, just as a runner on the ground is moving relative to the ground. Since people have difficulty with this concept it helps to do some thought experiments: xD
There are tiny differences, like the energy it takes to get up to speed, which is minimal, and the force of wind resistance, which is a true difference. Also, treadmills can be quite soft and springy, but some running tracks are soft as well. That people agree that running on a treadmill is easier than running outside is a topic that belongs in the realm of sports psychology. I invite others with a grasp of basic physics to help put this myth to rest.
I think that difference between running on a treadmill and running outside is not a topic that belongs in the realm of sports psychology. For example, I can simple jump upright on a treadmill and this move will be the same as running, because in both case I will move with the same velocity with respect to treadmill. When I move by all means with respect to treadmill my centre of gravity is moving with treadmill velocity. But my motion is more complicated than centre of gravity motion. Human body has more degree of freedom than one. 72.245.155.59 22:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
According to the laws of physics, running on a treadmill is exactly the same as running on the ground at the same speed (apart from air drag). However, this assumes that the treadmill belt has a constant speed which is not necessarily the case. Each time you hit the ground, you push the belt forward and this can slow down the motor. You also push the belt onto the surface below, increasing the friction which slows down the motor. The reverse (motor speeds up temporarily) happens when you push off and lift your foot off the belt. These speed variations, which are synchronized with the ground reaction forces, allow transfer of mechanical energy from the treadmill motor to the runner and this makes running easier. This does not happen in the cruise ship analogy because the speed of the ship is not affected by the runner, and it does not happen in a treadmill with a large motor and a perfect speed control system. In cheaper treadmills, these speed variations would be larger and make running easier. Reference: Schamhardt HC, van den Bogert AJ, Lammertink JLMA. Power transfer from treadmill engine to athlete. Proc. 8th biennial conference of the Canadian Society for Biomechanics, 1994:306–307. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:8ED2:59D0:95A2:8D43:3A84:E446 ( talk) 23:13, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
One disadvantage to running on a treadmill is that the machine pulls your foot back instead of you physically doing the work. This isn't really a big deal for long distance runners, but highspeed treadmills for sprinters only allow your to do half the work. When you put your foot down the machine pulls it back so all you have to do is pull your other foot forward, which means that you don't apply the pushing action of the back foot that you get running on a track or road. (- College Athlete) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.133.208.136 ( talk) 03:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
Because running on a treadmill is a very different situation, the user can focus on relaxing, or different parts of the body, or changing their form/motions -- very different from running outside, possibly useful for Chi Running.- 69.87.204.41 23:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The option of being able to hold on to a treadmill may be an advantage, if the user is in need of that help. But from a physics/energy/calorie point of view, it completely changes the exercise -- sort of like being towed.- 69.87.204.141 18:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I heard that running on treadmill is bad for your knees, or is it only if you have a knee injury? (my mom's doctor told her not to run on treadmills 'cause she hurt her knee)
Plane on a treadmill.
Can it take off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinspocket ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
No, it can not! In order to fly (take off) airplane needs to develop certain airspeed. If plane is "rolling" on a treadmill which matches its wheel's speed than treadmill eliminates any real movement and thus eliminates airspeed. Without airspeed, wings (airfoils) are not providing lift and airplane stays on ground (on treadmill). Note: We are talking about "regular" fixed wing airplanes without VTOL capabilities. I suggest removal of this incorrect statement on a treadmill article. Tomica ( talk) 20:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Simply put, you need the WINDSPEED passing an airplane to make it fly. The air is what allows the plane to fly, not the speed that objects pass below it. Gba111 ( talk) 07:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand this section as "advantages/disadvantages compared to outdoor running" (it would hardly make sense otherwise), but running will increase your VO2max whether you use a treadmill or not. Moreover, all aerobic activities could be said to increase one's VO2max, so even if this comparison is not limited to outdoor/treadmill difference, it still does not make much sense. GregorB ( talk) 17:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I think conceiving the advantages and disadvantages as being over simply not having a treadmill at all. What are the advantages to having and using a treadmill? What are the disadvantages to having and using a treadmill? In this capacity, an advantage of using the treadmill is an increase in VO2 max, burning calories, etc, similarly to running. It might seem redundant to write out all the individual advantages of running in this section, since you ARE running, but it's still more complete than simply writing "all advantages / disadvantages of running" or some similar note. Gba111 ( talk) 07:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
There is very little on treadmill construction, most readers will understand that a running machine consists of a moving belt, powered along by a motor, but to better understand, details of construction may well help expand the article. 79.75.25.197 ( talk) 03:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I see my contribution in this article is being reverted constantly. I am wondering why, as it took me 5 months of investigation, verification and compilation to create the largest treadmill manufacturer list in the World and published it in my site some months ago ( http://www.cintasdecorrer.com/content/fabricantes ). More than 350 verified manufacturers and growing, I also added a link for anyone to suggest any manufacturer missing in the list. I am not mentioning manufacturers we work with, no, I just compiled verified information about all manufacturers through the years in the planet. I am not highlighting any manufacturer as all of them are listed in the same condition (alphabetical). Nobody on the internet has ever compiled such a complete guide of manufacturers. We did it and we try to share this info at Wikipedia. This contribution has been correctly referenced here (I think), following the rules for referencing at Wikipedia. Maybe it must go in another paragraph? Do you really think this information is not relevant with the article? I insist; I am viewing about 2 brands in Wikipedia's treadmill article which could be cleary considered as publicity, but not my article.
I wrote: 'Nowadays, they are counted in hundreds the manufacturers of treadmills around the World.[1] since the first unit was launched'.
and referenced it as Manufacturer list.
Please let me know about your comments, thanks. I do not want to be engaged in an edit war.
-- Wikidomainer ( talk) 19:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for linking to me the
conflict of interest guidelines, the part Citing yourself seems the most similar:
Using material you have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, including WP:SELFPUB, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion
I do not know why you consider destination page as self promotional. I would like to hear more about the community's thoughts, as you consider that the guide is not relevant with the article and quite banal. I do not find self publicity in the destination link as you are suggesting. I tried to link it because I think it is very relevant content and not just a useless link. I think the best convincing action would be to tell me something like "XXX manufacturer does not exist, so you have invented it". Then I'd have to accept an error. No one has ever created such a large treadmill manufacturers list so for me it is difficult to believe that the info is banal. Regards -- Wikidomainer ( talk) 16:38, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I have modified the destination page so maybe it's not so banal. So now the title is "List of treadmill manufacturers" instead of previous "Largest treadmill manufacturer list in the World". I wonder if you consider it may have an opportunity to be cited now, please let me know. Regards. -- Wikidomainer ( talk) 19:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I found this article at wikipedia /info/en/?search=List_of_scooter_manufacturers so maybe the info regarding the manufacturers can be useful. Please let me know, thank you -- Wikidomainer ( talk) 16:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
The picture by /info/en/?search=Treadmill#/media/File:RIAN_archive_555848_Testing_on_treadmill.jpg is disputed for being from Norway, at the "Rikshospitalet" in 1986, now the Oslo University Hospital (NO: Oslo Universitets Sykehus). 82.164.42.11 ( talk) 08:04, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Instead of:
"In case of uneven floors, the elevation of either of the legs (rear or front legs) should be leveled out using a wood block or a brick."
...might it not be better to say something about "follow the manufacturer's instructions/recommendations" or "ensure the treadmill remains safely secured after leveling"?
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I am not too informed on the science - but could someone write something about momentum, or lack thereof - how this affects the speed you run on treadmill... --[[User:OldakQuill| Oldak Quill]] 19:28, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
"Some treadmills have load motors" — What does this line mean? Should that be "loud motors"? Coffee 05:45, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
It should be "loud" motors. Actually, the weight and running style of the user has at least as much effect on total noise as the motor does. RobertBraun ( talk) 21:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Help me please:
can some one let me know as what features must be looked when buying a tread mill?
I don't knwow any thing about the treadmill but am willing to buy one for me.
rajkantsharma@yahoo.com
Raj, Since different kinds of treadmills are designed for different uses and different users, it's more productive to ask the question as "what features do I need?" The typical treadmill is designed for the needs of the typical user. Typical use means light jogging several times per week for up to an hour each time by someone who weighs under 250 lbs. Typical features include cushioned belt, incline capability, and readouts for heart rate, distance, time, and calories. See http://www.treadmill-world.com/treadmill-buying-tips.html. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertBraun ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
A load motor is engineer lingo for a motor that offers resistance or drag, and allows the user to set the speed of the belt or the effort needed to move the belt. Might wish to use a more common term. Bobpage ( talk) 05:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Removed: "When professional cyclists are tested they will use their own bicycles (instead of a bike machine) on a treadmill." When professional cyclists are tested they use their own bicycles on an indoor trainer, not a treadmill. FreplySpang (talk) 00:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
If you run on a treadmill at a constant speed, that SHOULD be about the same as running outdoors. I have heard that setting the treadmill to a 1% incline should make up for the lack of wind resistance. My experience is that running fast on a treadmill is amazingly easier than running outside. The question is, why? (The person above who thinks the explanation is psychological seems to not be a runner who has had this experience.) Basic physics says that they should be about the same. It is hard to believe that the shock-absorbing features of the treadmill make that much difference. Is it possible that the makers of the gym equipment are cheating, intentionally mis-calibrating the equipment to make people think that they are doing better than they really are? Has anyone ever tested the true speeds of treadmills? Are there any good websites that go into all of these complicated details? Do serious runners train on treadmills?- 69.87.204.41 23:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The fact that the treadmill is moving and not the runner makes no difference in a physical sense. What matters is that the runner is moving relative to the treadmill, just as a runner on the ground is moving relative to the ground. Since people have difficulty with this concept it helps to do some thought experiments: xD
There are tiny differences, like the energy it takes to get up to speed, which is minimal, and the force of wind resistance, which is a true difference. Also, treadmills can be quite soft and springy, but some running tracks are soft as well. That people agree that running on a treadmill is easier than running outside is a topic that belongs in the realm of sports psychology. I invite others with a grasp of basic physics to help put this myth to rest.
I think that difference between running on a treadmill and running outside is not a topic that belongs in the realm of sports psychology. For example, I can simple jump upright on a treadmill and this move will be the same as running, because in both case I will move with the same velocity with respect to treadmill. When I move by all means with respect to treadmill my centre of gravity is moving with treadmill velocity. But my motion is more complicated than centre of gravity motion. Human body has more degree of freedom than one. 72.245.155.59 22:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
According to the laws of physics, running on a treadmill is exactly the same as running on the ground at the same speed (apart from air drag). However, this assumes that the treadmill belt has a constant speed which is not necessarily the case. Each time you hit the ground, you push the belt forward and this can slow down the motor. You also push the belt onto the surface below, increasing the friction which slows down the motor. The reverse (motor speeds up temporarily) happens when you push off and lift your foot off the belt. These speed variations, which are synchronized with the ground reaction forces, allow transfer of mechanical energy from the treadmill motor to the runner and this makes running easier. This does not happen in the cruise ship analogy because the speed of the ship is not affected by the runner, and it does not happen in a treadmill with a large motor and a perfect speed control system. In cheaper treadmills, these speed variations would be larger and make running easier. Reference: Schamhardt HC, van den Bogert AJ, Lammertink JLMA. Power transfer from treadmill engine to athlete. Proc. 8th biennial conference of the Canadian Society for Biomechanics, 1994:306–307. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:8ED2:59D0:95A2:8D43:3A84:E446 ( talk) 23:13, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
One disadvantage to running on a treadmill is that the machine pulls your foot back instead of you physically doing the work. This isn't really a big deal for long distance runners, but highspeed treadmills for sprinters only allow your to do half the work. When you put your foot down the machine pulls it back so all you have to do is pull your other foot forward, which means that you don't apply the pushing action of the back foot that you get running on a track or road. (- College Athlete) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.133.208.136 ( talk) 03:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
Because running on a treadmill is a very different situation, the user can focus on relaxing, or different parts of the body, or changing their form/motions -- very different from running outside, possibly useful for Chi Running.- 69.87.204.41 23:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The option of being able to hold on to a treadmill may be an advantage, if the user is in need of that help. But from a physics/energy/calorie point of view, it completely changes the exercise -- sort of like being towed.- 69.87.204.141 18:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I heard that running on treadmill is bad for your knees, or is it only if you have a knee injury? (my mom's doctor told her not to run on treadmills 'cause she hurt her knee)
Plane on a treadmill.
Can it take off? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinspocket ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
No, it can not! In order to fly (take off) airplane needs to develop certain airspeed. If plane is "rolling" on a treadmill which matches its wheel's speed than treadmill eliminates any real movement and thus eliminates airspeed. Without airspeed, wings (airfoils) are not providing lift and airplane stays on ground (on treadmill). Note: We are talking about "regular" fixed wing airplanes without VTOL capabilities. I suggest removal of this incorrect statement on a treadmill article. Tomica ( talk) 20:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Simply put, you need the WINDSPEED passing an airplane to make it fly. The air is what allows the plane to fly, not the speed that objects pass below it. Gba111 ( talk) 07:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand this section as "advantages/disadvantages compared to outdoor running" (it would hardly make sense otherwise), but running will increase your VO2max whether you use a treadmill or not. Moreover, all aerobic activities could be said to increase one's VO2max, so even if this comparison is not limited to outdoor/treadmill difference, it still does not make much sense. GregorB ( talk) 17:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I think conceiving the advantages and disadvantages as being over simply not having a treadmill at all. What are the advantages to having and using a treadmill? What are the disadvantages to having and using a treadmill? In this capacity, an advantage of using the treadmill is an increase in VO2 max, burning calories, etc, similarly to running. It might seem redundant to write out all the individual advantages of running in this section, since you ARE running, but it's still more complete than simply writing "all advantages / disadvantages of running" or some similar note. Gba111 ( talk) 07:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
There is very little on treadmill construction, most readers will understand that a running machine consists of a moving belt, powered along by a motor, but to better understand, details of construction may well help expand the article. 79.75.25.197 ( talk) 03:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I see my contribution in this article is being reverted constantly. I am wondering why, as it took me 5 months of investigation, verification and compilation to create the largest treadmill manufacturer list in the World and published it in my site some months ago ( http://www.cintasdecorrer.com/content/fabricantes ). More than 350 verified manufacturers and growing, I also added a link for anyone to suggest any manufacturer missing in the list. I am not mentioning manufacturers we work with, no, I just compiled verified information about all manufacturers through the years in the planet. I am not highlighting any manufacturer as all of them are listed in the same condition (alphabetical). Nobody on the internet has ever compiled such a complete guide of manufacturers. We did it and we try to share this info at Wikipedia. This contribution has been correctly referenced here (I think), following the rules for referencing at Wikipedia. Maybe it must go in another paragraph? Do you really think this information is not relevant with the article? I insist; I am viewing about 2 brands in Wikipedia's treadmill article which could be cleary considered as publicity, but not my article.
I wrote: 'Nowadays, they are counted in hundreds the manufacturers of treadmills around the World.[1] since the first unit was launched'.
and referenced it as Manufacturer list.
Please let me know about your comments, thanks. I do not want to be engaged in an edit war.
-- Wikidomainer ( talk) 19:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for linking to me the
conflict of interest guidelines, the part Citing yourself seems the most similar:
Using material you have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, including WP:SELFPUB, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion
I do not know why you consider destination page as self promotional. I would like to hear more about the community's thoughts, as you consider that the guide is not relevant with the article and quite banal. I do not find self publicity in the destination link as you are suggesting. I tried to link it because I think it is very relevant content and not just a useless link. I think the best convincing action would be to tell me something like "XXX manufacturer does not exist, so you have invented it". Then I'd have to accept an error. No one has ever created such a large treadmill manufacturers list so for me it is difficult to believe that the info is banal. Regards -- Wikidomainer ( talk) 16:38, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I have modified the destination page so maybe it's not so banal. So now the title is "List of treadmill manufacturers" instead of previous "Largest treadmill manufacturer list in the World". I wonder if you consider it may have an opportunity to be cited now, please let me know. Regards. -- Wikidomainer ( talk) 19:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I found this article at wikipedia /info/en/?search=List_of_scooter_manufacturers so maybe the info regarding the manufacturers can be useful. Please let me know, thank you -- Wikidomainer ( talk) 16:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
The picture by /info/en/?search=Treadmill#/media/File:RIAN_archive_555848_Testing_on_treadmill.jpg is disputed for being from Norway, at the "Rikshospitalet" in 1986, now the Oslo University Hospital (NO: Oslo Universitets Sykehus). 82.164.42.11 ( talk) 08:04, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Instead of:
"In case of uneven floors, the elevation of either of the legs (rear or front legs) should be leveled out using a wood block or a brick."
...might it not be better to say something about "follow the manufacturer's instructions/recommendations" or "ensure the treadmill remains safely secured after leveling"?