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I have just added a portion of trap music that was necessary for the public to know and wish for you all to edit as you please. We are putting together information on Notable performers to the Trap World making sure their content and art is recognized. Especially, we want to recognize these artists in our new section for their accomplishments and contributions to trap music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by King JLo ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC) -Add this to Origin(YB): “In the 1990s, musicians such as N.W.A., UGK, Three 6 Mafia, Master P, Dr. Dre and Ice-T, among others started what has been termed gangsta rap, talking about the violent lifestyle of the disadvantaged neighbourhoods of American cities, and leaving aside the more political and poetic discourses of the earliest rap… And the fact is that while gangsta rap was a mutation of the original hip hop, trap would be a second mutation derived from gangsta, converting it into a new culture, different from that of the original hip hop, often forgetting the verses, committed ideology/poetics and rhyming, and with certainly more sinister musical tones.” Add to Characteristics(YB): “It could be affirmed that trap is the first musical style where people without a discography or money to pay for a demo could make music from their computers.”
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Um.... wtf? Now the entire history is gone. How hard is it to split an article?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 11:51, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why this article was renamed and moved? Where did that consensus come from? There was a discussion for a requested rename and move, see Talk:Trap_music_(hip_hop)/Archive_1#Requested_move_6_February_2018, , the result of that discussion was overwhelmingly oppose, but the discussion was suddenly closed and the page was renamed and moved anyways. Abierma3 ( talk) 18:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
It's evident that everyone who opposed the move was very confused about the RFC. It was a purely technical request. However, it's also true that there was no consensus to create two new articles, only for Trap music (EDM) to be spun out from Trap music.-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 23:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Instead of making it confusing with Trap music (hip hop) and Trap music (EDM), let's just move Trap music (hip hop) to Trap rap and move Trap music (EDM) to just Trap (EDM). Thoughts? SuperLuigi22 ( talk| contribs) 02:55, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Is "trap rap" an actual term?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 05:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
This page covers the **primary topic** associated with the term "Trap Music". The EDM genre does not have the level of notability to force this into a different page name. Just like Barricade does not need to be called "Barricade (structure)" just because there is also a Transformer with the name. Bread does not have to be called "Bread (food)" just because there is a very successful band with the same name. Nikki Lee 1999 ( talk) 20:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
@ KingAndGod: Do you realize that renaming this article "Trap music (hip hop)" was also an "undiscussed controversial action"?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 10:16, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Procedural close: RFC appears to be superseded by move request in the section below. — Amakuru ( talk) 10:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Should Trap music be renamed back to "Trap music (hip hop)"? Ilovetopaint ( talk) 01:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: retain Trap music as the title of the article at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 15:11, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Trap music →
Trap music (hip hop) – "Trap music" originally existed as an article until a
consensus was reached to split it into two -
Trap music (hip hop) and
Trap music (EDM). There were disagreements about how the split was done as an editor asserted that the page should have been moved to the new title instead of splitting manually (via cut-and-paste) in order to preserve history. The pages eventually went through some moves and histmerges and ended up as below:
An editor recently requested a move at WP:RMT to move "Trap music (hip hop)" to "Trap music", unilaterally reversing the established consensus and the article was moved. This page should be moved back to Trap music (hip hop) as it is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and there was a longstanding consensus to support its position. KingAnd God 10:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Wow, can you guys make this issue any more confusing? Why not just let the above RfC run its course instead of redundantly proposing a change that already has (current) consensus? Just move the article back, then we can talk about how the subject should be handled. -- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 10:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
split the article into Trap music (hip hop) and Trap music (EDM) (or similarly titled)".
I have just added a portion of trap music that was necessary for the public to know and wish for you all to edit as you please. We are putting together information on Notable performers to the Trap World making sure their content and art is recognized. Especially, we want to recognize these artists in our new section for their accomplishments and contributions to trap music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by King JLo ( talk • contribs) 05:00, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't have anyone to sponsor me but I'm in Botswana Dipesalema ( talk) 03:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Page that needs a review: WikiProject Close Cash Abking1993 ( talk) 06:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Can find at Draft:Close Cash Abking1993 ( talk) 06:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Latin trap didn't get to experiment with reggaeton rhythms till 2018-2019 with songs like Te Bote, mixing trap with reggaeton creating a new fusion genre. Dach12 ( talk) 02:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
I dispute that use of the word "trap" to refer to a drug-dealing house is only "Atlanta slang". For example, https://local.nixle.com/alert/8617928/?sub_id=0 shows the term is also used by California law enforcement with approximately the same meaning. 47.139.42.35 ( talk) 15:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Can we give examples of the characteristic sounds of trap? Particularly, say, of the hihat, kick and snares that the article says are important components of the sound. Respecting copyright, of course, so perhaps somebody familiar with the genre can just program a few sound examples. yoyo ( talk) 04:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
also people call his songs trap classics to this day 178.121.0.195 ( talk) 23:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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I have just added a portion of trap music that was necessary for the public to know and wish for you all to edit as you please. We are putting together information on Notable performers to the Trap World making sure their content and art is recognized. Especially, we want to recognize these artists in our new section for their accomplishments and contributions to trap music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by King JLo ( talk • contribs) 05:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC) -Add this to Origin(YB): “In the 1990s, musicians such as N.W.A., UGK, Three 6 Mafia, Master P, Dr. Dre and Ice-T, among others started what has been termed gangsta rap, talking about the violent lifestyle of the disadvantaged neighbourhoods of American cities, and leaving aside the more political and poetic discourses of the earliest rap… And the fact is that while gangsta rap was a mutation of the original hip hop, trap would be a second mutation derived from gangsta, converting it into a new culture, different from that of the original hip hop, often forgetting the verses, committed ideology/poetics and rhyming, and with certainly more sinister musical tones.” Add to Characteristics(YB): “It could be affirmed that trap is the first musical style where people without a discography or money to pay for a demo could make music from their computers.”
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 January 2019 and 17 March 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): DaltonFielder.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 04:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 January 2020 and 8 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Koverstreet3.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 04:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Um.... wtf? Now the entire history is gone. How hard is it to split an article?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 11:51, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why this article was renamed and moved? Where did that consensus come from? There was a discussion for a requested rename and move, see Talk:Trap_music_(hip_hop)/Archive_1#Requested_move_6_February_2018, , the result of that discussion was overwhelmingly oppose, but the discussion was suddenly closed and the page was renamed and moved anyways. Abierma3 ( talk) 18:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
It's evident that everyone who opposed the move was very confused about the RFC. It was a purely technical request. However, it's also true that there was no consensus to create two new articles, only for Trap music (EDM) to be spun out from Trap music.-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 23:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Instead of making it confusing with Trap music (hip hop) and Trap music (EDM), let's just move Trap music (hip hop) to Trap rap and move Trap music (EDM) to just Trap (EDM). Thoughts? SuperLuigi22 ( talk| contribs) 02:55, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Is "trap rap" an actual term?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 05:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
This page covers the **primary topic** associated with the term "Trap Music". The EDM genre does not have the level of notability to force this into a different page name. Just like Barricade does not need to be called "Barricade (structure)" just because there is also a Transformer with the name. Bread does not have to be called "Bread (food)" just because there is a very successful band with the same name. Nikki Lee 1999 ( talk) 20:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
@ KingAndGod: Do you realize that renaming this article "Trap music (hip hop)" was also an "undiscussed controversial action"?-- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 10:16, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Procedural close: RFC appears to be superseded by move request in the section below. — Amakuru ( talk) 10:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Should Trap music be renamed back to "Trap music (hip hop)"? Ilovetopaint ( talk) 01:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: retain Trap music as the title of the article at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 15:11, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Trap music →
Trap music (hip hop) – "Trap music" originally existed as an article until a
consensus was reached to split it into two -
Trap music (hip hop) and
Trap music (EDM). There were disagreements about how the split was done as an editor asserted that the page should have been moved to the new title instead of splitting manually (via cut-and-paste) in order to preserve history. The pages eventually went through some moves and histmerges and ended up as below:
An editor recently requested a move at WP:RMT to move "Trap music (hip hop)" to "Trap music", unilaterally reversing the established consensus and the article was moved. This page should be moved back to Trap music (hip hop) as it is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and there was a longstanding consensus to support its position. KingAnd God 10:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Wow, can you guys make this issue any more confusing? Why not just let the above RfC run its course instead of redundantly proposing a change that already has (current) consensus? Just move the article back, then we can talk about how the subject should be handled. -- Ilovetopaint ( talk) 10:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
split the article into Trap music (hip hop) and Trap music (EDM) (or similarly titled)".
I have just added a portion of trap music that was necessary for the public to know and wish for you all to edit as you please. We are putting together information on Notable performers to the Trap World making sure their content and art is recognized. Especially, we want to recognize these artists in our new section for their accomplishments and contributions to trap music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by King JLo ( talk • contribs) 05:00, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I don't have anyone to sponsor me but I'm in Botswana Dipesalema ( talk) 03:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Page that needs a review: WikiProject Close Cash Abking1993 ( talk) 06:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Can find at Draft:Close Cash Abking1993 ( talk) 06:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Latin trap didn't get to experiment with reggaeton rhythms till 2018-2019 with songs like Te Bote, mixing trap with reggaeton creating a new fusion genre. Dach12 ( talk) 02:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
I dispute that use of the word "trap" to refer to a drug-dealing house is only "Atlanta slang". For example, https://local.nixle.com/alert/8617928/?sub_id=0 shows the term is also used by California law enforcement with approximately the same meaning. 47.139.42.35 ( talk) 15:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Can we give examples of the characteristic sounds of trap? Particularly, say, of the hihat, kick and snares that the article says are important components of the sound. Respecting copyright, of course, so perhaps somebody familiar with the genre can just program a few sound examples. yoyo ( talk) 04:11, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
also people call his songs trap classics to this day 178.121.0.195 ( talk) 23:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)