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"The Western world commonly associates Transylvania with vampires..." Is this really true of the Western world in general ? For English-speakers, naturally. But Germans ? French ? Where´s the evidence ?
It took me a while to work out that Transylvania was identical with the region commonly referred to by Germans as the "Siebenbürgen", and when they do refer to it, it seems to always be as a source of immigrants to Germany.
So this statement seems Anglocentric, IMHO. Sean Ramsay 3084 ( talk) 16:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
And that's only on page 1 of the results.-- Historyday01 ( talk) 17:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
But of all those sources are English-language. I never denied that English-speakers associate Transylvania with vampires. The question is whether speakers of other languages do. Sean Ramsay 3084 ( talk) 11:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
The etymology of the word Ardeal has been a disputed topic in Romanian for the last 200 years. Various opinions have been put forward in Romanian linguistics gravitating mainly around two options: a derivation from the Hungarian word Erdély, supported by linguists as Alexandru de Cihac, Bogdan Petriceicu Hașdeu, Nicolae Drăganu, Iorgu Iordan and others; while an Indo-European root has been put forward more recently by linguists Sorin Paliga and Mihai Vinereanu. Since more than one option has been put forward I consider, in the interest of neutrality, that the paragraph for Romanian etymology should reflect this in line with other online sources, the relative prominence of opposing views is of course open to debate. I support keeping the Hungarian etymology and the Romanian etymology separate to avoid needles conflicts. This topic has been added as a sign of good faith in regard to discussing the words etymology (in particular for @ Gyalu22) following the recommendation of @ Borsoka. Aristeus01 ( talk) 11:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi ZZARZY223, you can I see did not remove your content. [2]
Please check carefully the result and compare, I did not remove anything! Timeline: I added the Battle of Kosovo after the Mongol invasion. I updated the source format and I added the Hungarian view together with the Romanian view. Your content is there
The stage after your edit:
In the 12th and 13th centuries, Southeast and Northeast Transylvania was settled by Saxon colonists. After the Battle of Kosovo and Ottoman arrival at the Hungarian border, thousands of Vlach and Serbian refugees came to Transylvania. Nevertheless, Vlachs constitued an important part of Transylvania's population even on the eve of the Mongol Invasions.
The stage after my edit:
In the 12th and 13th centuries, Southeast and Northeast Transylvania was settled by Saxon colonists. In Romanian historiography, Vlachs constitued an important part of Transylvania's population even on the eve of the Mongol Invasions. Hungarian historiography claims that the Vlach population entered Transylvania from the Balkans only in the 12th century, and the devastating invasion of Mongols had also as consequence the large-scale immigration by Romanians, however the immigration of Romanians did not happen all at once, the process of settlement stretched over several centuries. After the Battle of Kosovo and Ottoman arrival at the Hungarian border, thousands of Vlach and Serbian refugees came to Transylvania.
OrionNimrod ( talk) 15:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
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"The Western world commonly associates Transylvania with vampires..." Is this really true of the Western world in general ? For English-speakers, naturally. But Germans ? French ? Where´s the evidence ?
It took me a while to work out that Transylvania was identical with the region commonly referred to by Germans as the "Siebenbürgen", and when they do refer to it, it seems to always be as a source of immigrants to Germany.
So this statement seems Anglocentric, IMHO. Sean Ramsay 3084 ( talk) 16:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
And that's only on page 1 of the results.-- Historyday01 ( talk) 17:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
But of all those sources are English-language. I never denied that English-speakers associate Transylvania with vampires. The question is whether speakers of other languages do. Sean Ramsay 3084 ( talk) 11:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
The etymology of the word Ardeal has been a disputed topic in Romanian for the last 200 years. Various opinions have been put forward in Romanian linguistics gravitating mainly around two options: a derivation from the Hungarian word Erdély, supported by linguists as Alexandru de Cihac, Bogdan Petriceicu Hașdeu, Nicolae Drăganu, Iorgu Iordan and others; while an Indo-European root has been put forward more recently by linguists Sorin Paliga and Mihai Vinereanu. Since more than one option has been put forward I consider, in the interest of neutrality, that the paragraph for Romanian etymology should reflect this in line with other online sources, the relative prominence of opposing views is of course open to debate. I support keeping the Hungarian etymology and the Romanian etymology separate to avoid needles conflicts. This topic has been added as a sign of good faith in regard to discussing the words etymology (in particular for @ Gyalu22) following the recommendation of @ Borsoka. Aristeus01 ( talk) 11:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi ZZARZY223, you can I see did not remove your content. [2]
Please check carefully the result and compare, I did not remove anything! Timeline: I added the Battle of Kosovo after the Mongol invasion. I updated the source format and I added the Hungarian view together with the Romanian view. Your content is there
The stage after your edit:
In the 12th and 13th centuries, Southeast and Northeast Transylvania was settled by Saxon colonists. After the Battle of Kosovo and Ottoman arrival at the Hungarian border, thousands of Vlach and Serbian refugees came to Transylvania. Nevertheless, Vlachs constitued an important part of Transylvania's population even on the eve of the Mongol Invasions.
The stage after my edit:
In the 12th and 13th centuries, Southeast and Northeast Transylvania was settled by Saxon colonists. In Romanian historiography, Vlachs constitued an important part of Transylvania's population even on the eve of the Mongol Invasions. Hungarian historiography claims that the Vlach population entered Transylvania from the Balkans only in the 12th century, and the devastating invasion of Mongols had also as consequence the large-scale immigration by Romanians, however the immigration of Romanians did not happen all at once, the process of settlement stretched over several centuries. After the Battle of Kosovo and Ottoman arrival at the Hungarian border, thousands of Vlach and Serbian refugees came to Transylvania.
OrionNimrod ( talk) 15:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)