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$100M factual error

At her website on July 27, 2021, author Helen Joyce wrote, "I have been criticised online for a minor factual error that has been corrected in my book's third printing. I said that the OSF made a large donation to the Human Rights Campaign, when that particular donation actually went to another organisation with a similar name, Human Rights Watch. However, the OSF does fund the HRC, and HRW does campaign for gender self-identification, so the correction makes no difference to my point: that rich individuals and foundations pour money into groups that campaign for gender self-identification." Since the error appears in the first two printings and in the Amazon Kindle edition that is the only version available for purchase in the USA—where the print version will not be released until September 2021—I request consensus to note this mistake on Wikipedia. Joyce understandably minimizes her blunder, but it mispresents the contribution of a stated individual ( George Soros) to transgender activism by $100 million. That is no small amount, and the record deserves to be corrected in a more public way than Joyce's self-serving explanation on her website. Basketcase2022 ( talk) 23:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, seeing this more closely: We could put that link in "external links", but in the text, it doesn't seem to have coverage in secondary sources, and we don't repeat the erroneous claim, so talking about this seems WP:UNDUE. Crossroads -talk- 23:35, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Should we include other secondary source criticism of her treatment of Soros donations? Newimpartial ( talk) 01:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:SYNTH, such sources have to be discussing the book, not Helen Joyce without mentioning the book. The book's treatment of something is not necessarily identical to anything else. Crossroads -talk- 02:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archive 1

$100M factual error

At her website on July 27, 2021, author Helen Joyce wrote, "I have been criticised online for a minor factual error that has been corrected in my book's third printing. I said that the OSF made a large donation to the Human Rights Campaign, when that particular donation actually went to another organisation with a similar name, Human Rights Watch. However, the OSF does fund the HRC, and HRW does campaign for gender self-identification, so the correction makes no difference to my point: that rich individuals and foundations pour money into groups that campaign for gender self-identification." Since the error appears in the first two printings and in the Amazon Kindle edition that is the only version available for purchase in the USA—where the print version will not be released until September 2021—I request consensus to note this mistake on Wikipedia. Joyce understandably minimizes her blunder, but it mispresents the contribution of a stated individual ( George Soros) to transgender activism by $100 million. That is no small amount, and the record deserves to be corrected in a more public way than Joyce's self-serving explanation on her website. Basketcase2022 ( talk) 23:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, seeing this more closely: We could put that link in "external links", but in the text, it doesn't seem to have coverage in secondary sources, and we don't repeat the erroneous claim, so talking about this seems WP:UNDUE. Crossroads -talk- 23:35, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Should we include other secondary source criticism of her treatment of Soros donations? Newimpartial ( talk) 01:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:SYNTH, such sources have to be discussing the book, not Helen Joyce without mentioning the book. The book's treatment of something is not necessarily identical to anything else. Crossroads -talk- 02:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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