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I've translated this pretty much in its entirety from the French, and so am marking the version here on the talk page. No doubt, it still requires a lot of cleanup (typos, rephrasing and so on) but I think reasonable to mark it thus at this point. Si Trew ( talk) 15:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
In the conversions of route distances from metric, I decided to use chains for the Imperial/US customary measure. This may seem like a wantonly obscure conversion, but at least in the UK chains are almost always used on older railway lines; I've used feet, miles etc for measures other than track miles. However, I do realise it may seem somewhat obscure, so perhaps it would be better to put them in yards or miles (depending on the magnitude)? Si Trew ( talk) 08:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
{{
convert}}
will automatically link things if lnk=outn
is specified, so I think I will change it again to use that: {{convert|20|km|chain|abbr=on|lk=out}}
gives 20 km (990
chains), and we can dispense with the hardcoded conversion.
Si Trew (
talk) 10:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)Reviewer: –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 15:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.
Disambiguations: Fixed one dab. [1]
Linkrot: No dead links found. –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 15:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Looking back on this article after some time away, and being on an extended Wikibreak, I see this is still too French in the way the sentence run i.e. backwards. It is not a question of translation but or accuracy but of distance. Everything there is OK for facts but it doesn't flow properly in English. One can't sometimes see that until one steps aside for a while because one is in the intimacy of wikilinks and {{convert}}
amd sp fprtj, I would not say it is a bad translation I did, and is accurate, but, but not good enough with the way of phrasing.
Best wishes Si Trew ( talk) 08:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over two weeks. Jenks24 ( talk) 13:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Old Rouen tramway →
Trams in Rouen – Current name of article is highly non-standard which makes it very hard to find when searching for it. Better name for the current article would be Trams in Rouen, which has evolved to the standard naming scheme used for articles on historical or long-standing city tram systems (e.g.
Trams in Athens,
Trams in Istanbul). (Please see the 'Discussion' section as to why Trams in Rouen is the preferred destination for this move of this article over Rouen tramway.) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 11:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
IJBall (
talk) 16:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.My response is that, in fact, the focus of the Trams in Istanbul article is the original, first-generation tram system – the details on the modern Istanbul tram system is covered at a different article, Istanbul modern tramways. A similar arrangement exists with Trams in Athens (the historical system) and Athens Tram (the modern tram system operating since 2004). Similar arrangements can also be seen with articles on American streetcar systems, e.g. Streetcars in Cincinnati (first-generation streetcar system) vs. Cincinnati Streetcar (an under-construction modern streetcar system).I'm not at all clear why the Old Rouen article should go here, and not the new one, which would seem more sensible to me. The Istanbul article you linked to covers both old and new as far as I can see.
Thus, a similar arrangement would be created with the requested move of the Old Rouen tramway article, leading to a Trams in Rouen article (on the historical tram system) and Rouen tramway (on the modern tram system). One further point – all of the modern French tramway system articles have the naming scheme of "[City] tramway" so moving the Old Rouen tramway article to Rouen tramway over Trams in Rouen (or moving the current Rouen tramway article to Trams in Rouen) would upset the current French tram article naming convention. Please feel free to let me know if any of this is unclear, and I will attempt to clarify further. Thank you! -- IJBall ( talk) 16:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Trams in Rouen has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | ||||||||||
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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the "
Did you know?" column on
June 25, 2010. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the
old Rouen tramway was once the largest
electric
tramway in
France, with 70 km (43 mi) of route? |
This article was edited to contain a total or partial translation of ancien tramway de Rouen from the French Wikipedia. Consult the history of the original page to see a list of its authors. (This notice applies to version 369008024 and subsequent versions of this page.) |
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I've translated this pretty much in its entirety from the French, and so am marking the version here on the talk page. No doubt, it still requires a lot of cleanup (typos, rephrasing and so on) but I think reasonable to mark it thus at this point. Si Trew ( talk) 15:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
In the conversions of route distances from metric, I decided to use chains for the Imperial/US customary measure. This may seem like a wantonly obscure conversion, but at least in the UK chains are almost always used on older railway lines; I've used feet, miles etc for measures other than track miles. However, I do realise it may seem somewhat obscure, so perhaps it would be better to put them in yards or miles (depending on the magnitude)? Si Trew ( talk) 08:39, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
{{
convert}}
will automatically link things if lnk=outn
is specified, so I think I will change it again to use that: {{convert|20|km|chain|abbr=on|lk=out}}
gives 20 km (990
chains), and we can dispense with the hardcoded conversion.
Si Trew (
talk) 10:59, 26 June 2010 (UTC)Reviewer: –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 15:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Toolbox |
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I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.
Disambiguations: Fixed one dab. [1]
Linkrot: No dead links found. –– Jezhotwells ( talk) 15:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Looking back on this article after some time away, and being on an extended Wikibreak, I see this is still too French in the way the sentence run i.e. backwards. It is not a question of translation but or accuracy but of distance. Everything there is OK for facts but it doesn't flow properly in English. One can't sometimes see that until one steps aside for a while because one is in the intimacy of wikilinks and {{convert}}
amd sp fprtj, I would not say it is a bad translation I did, and is accurate, but, but not good enough with the way of phrasing.
Best wishes Si Trew ( talk) 08:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over two weeks. Jenks24 ( talk) 13:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Old Rouen tramway →
Trams in Rouen – Current name of article is highly non-standard which makes it very hard to find when searching for it. Better name for the current article would be Trams in Rouen, which has evolved to the standard naming scheme used for articles on historical or long-standing city tram systems (e.g.
Trams in Athens,
Trams in Istanbul). (Please see the 'Discussion' section as to why Trams in Rouen is the preferred destination for this move of this article over Rouen tramway.) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 11:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
IJBall (
talk) 16:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.My response is that, in fact, the focus of the Trams in Istanbul article is the original, first-generation tram system – the details on the modern Istanbul tram system is covered at a different article, Istanbul modern tramways. A similar arrangement exists with Trams in Athens (the historical system) and Athens Tram (the modern tram system operating since 2004). Similar arrangements can also be seen with articles on American streetcar systems, e.g. Streetcars in Cincinnati (first-generation streetcar system) vs. Cincinnati Streetcar (an under-construction modern streetcar system).I'm not at all clear why the Old Rouen article should go here, and not the new one, which would seem more sensible to me. The Istanbul article you linked to covers both old and new as far as I can see.
Thus, a similar arrangement would be created with the requested move of the Old Rouen tramway article, leading to a Trams in Rouen article (on the historical tram system) and Rouen tramway (on the modern tram system). One further point – all of the modern French tramway system articles have the naming scheme of "[City] tramway" so moving the Old Rouen tramway article to Rouen tramway over Trams in Rouen (or moving the current Rouen tramway article to Trams in Rouen) would upset the current French tram article naming convention. Please feel free to let me know if any of this is unclear, and I will attempt to clarify further. Thank you! -- IJBall ( talk) 16:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)