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There is no reason to merge train horn with train whistle. Diesel locomotive air horns function quite differently from steam whistles, merging the articles would only add to the confusion on the part of the uninformed. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 10:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I intended the train horn article to deal exclusively with horns as used in North America. They are a completely different breed from the 'whistles' used almost everywhere else. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 08:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe the train horn and train whistle articles greatly overlap, and the separation of the two topics don't add to the clarity of the information presented, and thus the articles should be merged. There are a number of reasons for my belief:
+ The train whistle article often describes the devices as "horns"; if the difference between a "whistle" and a "horn" is so important then the terms should be more precisely used
+ If the difference between the two types of equipment is how they generate sound, then both articles should describe how their respective noise makers create sound; the train whistle article never does this.
+ Much of the information presented has nothing to do with whether a "whistle" or "horn" is used, e.g. "Noise complaints", "Doppler effect", "Whistle codes" versus "horn signals" (even the specific dot-dash patterns seem the same)
-- Dan Griscom ( talk) 02:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Trains with air brakes can use the compressed air at 70 psi to operate the whistle.
What do trains with vacuum brakes do? Given that there are no longer steam locomotives with high pressure steam to operate the horn.
Tabletop 00:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the following anonymous addition to the article. While it contains much that is quite interesting, it is very obviously written by an American! Compare 'hauntingly beautiful minor triads' with 'tiny shrieking "egg-cup"' , for example – the latter being particularly insulting to the majority of UK (English?) steam enthusiasts who would much prefer the efficient clarity of a simple steam whistle to the brash, overbearing cacophony of the steam-guzzling fog horns to be found on US locos. ( :o) )
However, the main reason for reverting was that the existing technical text was replaced by this anonymous edit.
Besides which, I'm not an expert on LNER locos, but I thought they too had 'chime' whistles...?
EdJogg 21:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor persists in modifying a section of this article.
Ignoring the poor spelling and grammar, the added text is essentially original research and is decidedly biased (ie not WP:NPOV) against what is already there. It is also impossible to verify the claims, since no new references are provided, and the existing cited reference is not directly available online.
In the folowing section, the added text is marked in red, replaced text is shown with strike-out.
I have, again, removed this addition, as it does not seem to me to meet a number of WP's guidelines. Other editors' thoughts would be welcome. EdJogg ( talk) 13:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, then. Now we have a talk page section to discuss the matter I think I shall leave it at that. Clearly we won't agree, and I have better things to do with my time...! Let me just say that I take neither side in this particular disagreement (regarding whistles and (ugh!) 'grade' crossings) as this is a purely US thing and I'm on the other side of the pond...
I am going to mark it with some kind of banner, as it still fails several of WP's principles. Other editors may agree with me when they pop by, but we'll see about that when they do.
EdJogg ( talk) 19:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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John Holliday describes the history of train whistles as originating in 1832, by way of a stationmaster at the Leicester and Swannington Railway opening, that the trains should have an audible signaling device. A local musical instrument builder was commissioned to provide a steam-powered whistle, then known as a "steam trumpet".
The article also describes a train-bus collision arising from a train that used truck horns instead of the standard whistle. Although the bus driver heard the horn, he thought it was a truck rather than a train.
Who is John Holliday (the disambiguation page for this name contains nobody that seems obviously linked with this statement) and what is 'the article' being referred to in the second paragraph? If these refer to references at the bottom of the page, I think additional information should still be provided in the body to clarify who the person is, and what article is being referred to. 60.241.179.28 ( talk) 09:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Based on the revert of 386129858 by Rjstott: [ [1]]
I view this section to be pure OR with the exception of the book citation. It is clearly uncited, and while, I suppose, the sentiment is commonsense, it doesn't appear clear to me that the content is even encyclopedic. If Rjstott feels that the section is of value, perhaps they might be so kind as to clean it up a bit. Barring that, seems to me that it should at least be trimmed down to a verifiable and encyclopedic core. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twredfish ( talk • contribs) 17:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I just don't see why the OR tag has been added because it clearly isn't that. There may be some irrelevance but actually there is also some interest here which goes beyond the 'warning' nature of a whistle because they aren't just used for that. Same goes for maritime fog horns which are used at both melancholy and gay times. I would clean up the article if I could see anything useful to change but I can't and I think the text should stand with out the OR tag!! Rjstott ( talk) 17:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
What's up with those train samples? They are completely distorted, at least on Google Chrome for Mac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.239.146.130 ( talk) 19:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I am going to change the title and content of this section. Train whistles did not lead to the discovery of the Doppler effect. Doppler's discovery was based on the frequency changes observed in the light from stars. The example of a train whistle is commonly used in classrooms to explain the phenomena. Any objections out there from anyone? -- Remotelysensed ( talk) 16:07, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
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There is no reason to merge train horn with train whistle. Diesel locomotive air horns function quite differently from steam whistles, merging the articles would only add to the confusion on the part of the uninformed. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 10:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I intended the train horn article to deal exclusively with horns as used in North America. They are a completely different breed from the 'whistles' used almost everywhere else. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 08:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe the train horn and train whistle articles greatly overlap, and the separation of the two topics don't add to the clarity of the information presented, and thus the articles should be merged. There are a number of reasons for my belief:
+ The train whistle article often describes the devices as "horns"; if the difference between a "whistle" and a "horn" is so important then the terms should be more precisely used
+ If the difference between the two types of equipment is how they generate sound, then both articles should describe how their respective noise makers create sound; the train whistle article never does this.
+ Much of the information presented has nothing to do with whether a "whistle" or "horn" is used, e.g. "Noise complaints", "Doppler effect", "Whistle codes" versus "horn signals" (even the specific dot-dash patterns seem the same)
-- Dan Griscom ( talk) 02:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Trains with air brakes can use the compressed air at 70 psi to operate the whistle.
What do trains with vacuum brakes do? Given that there are no longer steam locomotives with high pressure steam to operate the horn.
Tabletop 00:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the following anonymous addition to the article. While it contains much that is quite interesting, it is very obviously written by an American! Compare 'hauntingly beautiful minor triads' with 'tiny shrieking "egg-cup"' , for example – the latter being particularly insulting to the majority of UK (English?) steam enthusiasts who would much prefer the efficient clarity of a simple steam whistle to the brash, overbearing cacophony of the steam-guzzling fog horns to be found on US locos. ( :o) )
However, the main reason for reverting was that the existing technical text was replaced by this anonymous edit.
Besides which, I'm not an expert on LNER locos, but I thought they too had 'chime' whistles...?
EdJogg 21:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor persists in modifying a section of this article.
Ignoring the poor spelling and grammar, the added text is essentially original research and is decidedly biased (ie not WP:NPOV) against what is already there. It is also impossible to verify the claims, since no new references are provided, and the existing cited reference is not directly available online.
In the folowing section, the added text is marked in red, replaced text is shown with strike-out.
I have, again, removed this addition, as it does not seem to me to meet a number of WP's guidelines. Other editors' thoughts would be welcome. EdJogg ( talk) 13:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, then. Now we have a talk page section to discuss the matter I think I shall leave it at that. Clearly we won't agree, and I have better things to do with my time...! Let me just say that I take neither side in this particular disagreement (regarding whistles and (ugh!) 'grade' crossings) as this is a purely US thing and I'm on the other side of the pond...
I am going to mark it with some kind of banner, as it still fails several of WP's principles. Other editors may agree with me when they pop by, but we'll see about that when they do.
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The article contains the following text:
John Holliday describes the history of train whistles as originating in 1832, by way of a stationmaster at the Leicester and Swannington Railway opening, that the trains should have an audible signaling device. A local musical instrument builder was commissioned to provide a steam-powered whistle, then known as a "steam trumpet".
The article also describes a train-bus collision arising from a train that used truck horns instead of the standard whistle. Although the bus driver heard the horn, he thought it was a truck rather than a train.
Who is John Holliday (the disambiguation page for this name contains nobody that seems obviously linked with this statement) and what is 'the article' being referred to in the second paragraph? If these refer to references at the bottom of the page, I think additional information should still be provided in the body to clarify who the person is, and what article is being referred to. 60.241.179.28 ( talk) 09:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Based on the revert of 386129858 by Rjstott: [ [1]]
I view this section to be pure OR with the exception of the book citation. It is clearly uncited, and while, I suppose, the sentiment is commonsense, it doesn't appear clear to me that the content is even encyclopedic. If Rjstott feels that the section is of value, perhaps they might be so kind as to clean it up a bit. Barring that, seems to me that it should at least be trimmed down to a verifiable and encyclopedic core. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twredfish ( talk • contribs) 17:02, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry I just don't see why the OR tag has been added because it clearly isn't that. There may be some irrelevance but actually there is also some interest here which goes beyond the 'warning' nature of a whistle because they aren't just used for that. Same goes for maritime fog horns which are used at both melancholy and gay times. I would clean up the article if I could see anything useful to change but I can't and I think the text should stand with out the OR tag!! Rjstott ( talk) 17:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
What's up with those train samples? They are completely distorted, at least on Google Chrome for Mac. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.239.146.130 ( talk) 19:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I am going to change the title and content of this section. Train whistles did not lead to the discovery of the Doppler effect. Doppler's discovery was based on the frequency changes observed in the light from stars. The example of a train whistle is commonly used in classrooms to explain the phenomena. Any objections out there from anyone? -- Remotelysensed ( talk) 16:07, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
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