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Are any of the ferries on the River Nile train ferries?
Tabletop 10:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
A ferry though not necessarily a train ferry links India and Sri Lanka over a narrow and shallow stretch of water. It replaces a former railway line over a man-made causeway citation needed, which was destroyed by a cyclone.
Is this a misunderstanding of this map? The inundated "bridge" is a natural feature, flooded within a geological timescale. I suggest a deletion. {{Dubious}} tag added. -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 17:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
It isn't a natural bridge, it was man made. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 18:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Three are listed, without citation. Are we sure that the New York to Havana was a train ferry, given the distance? I have changed this to Palm Beach, as per West India Fruit and Steamship Company. I will research further, but please reinstate if I am wrong. -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 16:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
This train ferry service is mentioned in several Cuban sources and even used by Hershey Company to provide direct freight cars operating from their Cuban chocolate factory to the companys main factories in the United States. This link was in common operation at least in the 1920´s and in 1930´s. It was said to be operated by Florida Southern Railroad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.118.82 ( talk) 07:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
There has been since 1925 a ( train ) ferry service over 7.000 metre wide River Salween estuary between Martaban and Moulmein ( South ). Actually the ferries which have provided the service were not technically " pure " train ferries but at least in 1942 to 1945 the Japanese relaid to the deck of the ferry two metre gauge rails which made it possible to transfer even locomotives to Burma Railway main network from isolated Moulmein South - Ye railway section. When the new 415 km railway connecting Bangkok in Siam and Moulmein in Burma was completed in October 1943 the importance of the Martaban - Moulmein railway ferry increased. One "unofficial " source even claims that the Japanese Military Adminstration in Southern Burma introduced from Japan one old small train ferry which had been held there in reserve, to operate this Martaban - Moulmein ( train ) ferry service.
This rail ferry service was operated by the Japanese Southern Army ( Railway Department ) located at Saigon in 1942 to 1945 between Mytho ( My Tho ) in Cochin China and Phnom Pehn in Cambodia along the River Mekong. This service made it possible for the Japanese to provide a railway link all the way from Singapore to Fusan in Korea ( then called Chosen ) by late 1944. It should be noted that all a round year shipping service from South China Sea up to Phnom Pehn can be provided by ships up to 5.000 ton ( in high water season 8.000 ton ). Also here is claimed an introducion of old Japanese train ferry taken out of reserve where it was held by Imperial Japanese Navy to River Mekong as early as in spring 1942. This rail ferry service was provided as an alternative for proposed 250 km railway from Saigon to Phnom Pehn which was started by the Japanese in 1942 but not completed in August 1945 by the time of unconditional surrendering of Japan to the Allied Powers.
I ran across these two sources and think they might be good to put into the article on the Pere Marquette Car Ferry.
Clarke Historical Library Car ferry Pere Marquette 18 left Ludington for Milwaukee shortly before midnight, Sept. 8, 1910; capt. Peter Kilty. 29 loaded R.R. freight cars & 62 people ... clarke.cmich.edu/collar_helen_beaverisland/biok.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages Clarke Historical Library - Saginaw County The Rail Road Excursion; The Flint and Pere Marquette Rail Road. Detroit, MI: 1862. Indian and Pioneer History of the Saginaw Valley. ... clarke.cmich.edu/localhistory/Saginaw.htm - 74k - Cached - Similar pages 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
I believe that this recent addition was a passenger ferry operated by a railway company, rather than a train ferry. I suggest deletion, subject of course to WP:IDONTKNOWIT.-- Old Moonraker ( talk) 06:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is mostly just a list of train ferries around the world. I propose we create the page List of Train Ferries, move all the Examples over to that, and have a much smaller article including the intro, History, Hazards, and Portage Railway. Thoughts? - M.Nelson ( talk) 19:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
As it's not a train ferry, should it be here in the "Train ferry" article? Suggesting a delete. -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 21:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
The Miyajima ferry is also not a train ferry, I don't know that it's relevant to this particular article that it happens to be run by a train company. 72.15.145.20 ( talk) 18:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Under United Kingdom, the article states: The Night Ferry from Dover to Dunkerque, France. Closed 31 October 1980, - replaced by the Channel Tunnel. This is wrong on several counts:
I came across pictures that contain LST with rail deck to load train for france during WWII. http://www.skylighters.org/wwiirr/ WWII archives http://wwiiarchives.net/servlet/gallery/520 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrpf22pr ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
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For the avoidance of doubt, if John from Idegon (or anyone else) feels that Brunel's intended train ferry just isn't worth putting in because it never happened and doesn't merit inclusion - sure, take it out, I'm not sure I agree but I don't object enough to disagree, so to speak. I've put it back in because the removal was cited to a piece of policy that doesn't suggest (let alone mandate) such removal, and hence might just be down to a misreading of policy. Pinkbeast ( talk) 01:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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The ferries given with "bypasses a break of gauge" do technically so but as one of the ports is in a territory with a different gauge from that used on the vessel, the break of gauge is found in this very port.
I did not see any example of, and I think there isn't, a rail ferry bypassing a double break of gauge and thus not presenting any break of gauge in a port.
Regards, ULF 109.40.131.202 ( talk) 07:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I took up on the 2009 suggestion in #List of Train Ferries to finally split the list into its own page List of train ferries. Z22 ( talk) 04:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
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Are any of the ferries on the River Nile train ferries?
Tabletop 10:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
A ferry though not necessarily a train ferry links India and Sri Lanka over a narrow and shallow stretch of water. It replaces a former railway line over a man-made causeway citation needed, which was destroyed by a cyclone.
Is this a misunderstanding of this map? The inundated "bridge" is a natural feature, flooded within a geological timescale. I suggest a deletion. {{Dubious}} tag added. -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 17:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
It isn't a natural bridge, it was man made. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 18:38, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Three are listed, without citation. Are we sure that the New York to Havana was a train ferry, given the distance? I have changed this to Palm Beach, as per West India Fruit and Steamship Company. I will research further, but please reinstate if I am wrong. -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 16:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
This train ferry service is mentioned in several Cuban sources and even used by Hershey Company to provide direct freight cars operating from their Cuban chocolate factory to the companys main factories in the United States. This link was in common operation at least in the 1920´s and in 1930´s. It was said to be operated by Florida Southern Railroad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.118.82 ( talk) 07:55, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
There has been since 1925 a ( train ) ferry service over 7.000 metre wide River Salween estuary between Martaban and Moulmein ( South ). Actually the ferries which have provided the service were not technically " pure " train ferries but at least in 1942 to 1945 the Japanese relaid to the deck of the ferry two metre gauge rails which made it possible to transfer even locomotives to Burma Railway main network from isolated Moulmein South - Ye railway section. When the new 415 km railway connecting Bangkok in Siam and Moulmein in Burma was completed in October 1943 the importance of the Martaban - Moulmein railway ferry increased. One "unofficial " source even claims that the Japanese Military Adminstration in Southern Burma introduced from Japan one old small train ferry which had been held there in reserve, to operate this Martaban - Moulmein ( train ) ferry service.
This rail ferry service was operated by the Japanese Southern Army ( Railway Department ) located at Saigon in 1942 to 1945 between Mytho ( My Tho ) in Cochin China and Phnom Pehn in Cambodia along the River Mekong. This service made it possible for the Japanese to provide a railway link all the way from Singapore to Fusan in Korea ( then called Chosen ) by late 1944. It should be noted that all a round year shipping service from South China Sea up to Phnom Pehn can be provided by ships up to 5.000 ton ( in high water season 8.000 ton ). Also here is claimed an introducion of old Japanese train ferry taken out of reserve where it was held by Imperial Japanese Navy to River Mekong as early as in spring 1942. This rail ferry service was provided as an alternative for proposed 250 km railway from Saigon to Phnom Pehn which was started by the Japanese in 1942 but not completed in August 1945 by the time of unconditional surrendering of Japan to the Allied Powers.
I ran across these two sources and think they might be good to put into the article on the Pere Marquette Car Ferry.
Clarke Historical Library Car ferry Pere Marquette 18 left Ludington for Milwaukee shortly before midnight, Sept. 8, 1910; capt. Peter Kilty. 29 loaded R.R. freight cars & 62 people ... clarke.cmich.edu/collar_helen_beaverisland/biok.htm - 17k - Cached - Similar pages Clarke Historical Library - Saginaw County The Rail Road Excursion; The Flint and Pere Marquette Rail Road. Detroit, MI: 1862. Indian and Pioneer History of the Saginaw Valley. ... clarke.cmich.edu/localhistory/Saginaw.htm - 74k - Cached - Similar pages 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
I believe that this recent addition was a passenger ferry operated by a railway company, rather than a train ferry. I suggest deletion, subject of course to WP:IDONTKNOWIT.-- Old Moonraker ( talk) 06:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is mostly just a list of train ferries around the world. I propose we create the page List of Train Ferries, move all the Examples over to that, and have a much smaller article including the intro, History, Hazards, and Portage Railway. Thoughts? - M.Nelson ( talk) 19:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
As it's not a train ferry, should it be here in the "Train ferry" article? Suggesting a delete. -- Old Moonraker ( talk) 21:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
The Miyajima ferry is also not a train ferry, I don't know that it's relevant to this particular article that it happens to be run by a train company. 72.15.145.20 ( talk) 18:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Under United Kingdom, the article states: The Night Ferry from Dover to Dunkerque, France. Closed 31 October 1980, - replaced by the Channel Tunnel. This is wrong on several counts:
I came across pictures that contain LST with rail deck to load train for france during WWII. http://www.skylighters.org/wwiirr/ WWII archives http://wwiiarchives.net/servlet/gallery/520 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrpf22pr ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
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The ferries given with "bypasses a break of gauge" do technically so but as one of the ports is in a territory with a different gauge from that used on the vessel, the break of gauge is found in this very port.
I did not see any example of, and I think there isn't, a rail ferry bypassing a double break of gauge and thus not presenting any break of gauge in a port.
Regards, ULF 109.40.131.202 ( talk) 07:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I took up on the 2009 suggestion in #List of Train Ferries to finally split the list into its own page List of train ferries. Z22 ( talk) 04:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)