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The map extract on this article is incorrect. It shows Cornbrook Carriage Sidings, not Trafford Park TMD (which is further to the West, after the triangular Throstle Nest Junction. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bbparry (
talk •
contribs) 00:43, 15 May 2013
No, I never went anywhere near the Trafford Park Railway, but I did visit the sheds near Old Trafford station. E. M. Johnson says the 1877 3-road shed was at Cornbrook until TP opened in March 1895, accessed from TP Jct.
Johnragla (
talk)
23:13, 5 February 2016 (UTC)reply
So not Trafford Park and Cornbrook closed in 1895 and Cornbrook sidings were beyond Cornbrook Jt, so what was it, why did the shedmaster call it Trafford Park and where was the Trafford Park Railway shed?
Johnragla (
talk)
00:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)reply
The facility depicted in
File:1961 map Trafford Park sheds.jpg is Cornbrook Sidings, a goods station, which included a carriage shed, not a locomotive shed, on its north-western side. Cornbrook Junction is at upper right, level with Turner Street; the triangular layout at left has Throstle Nest Junction at the north-eastern corner, adjacent to the carriage shed; Throstle Nest South Junction at the southern corner; and Trafford Park Junction at the western corner, just off the edge of the image. The dark red text on that image is not on the original map, which was black and white. The OS 1:10,560 plan of 1956 shows that the carriage shed had six tracks under cover.
Neither map names either site, nor does
the 1948 map, so maps don't seem to be the solution to the problem. Johnson said the shed had become a Freightliner depot and the sale of a Freightliner site is recorded at
the national archives site, but it doesn't detail what's being sold, nor whether it was just the privatisation of Freightliner.
[1],and1951 aerial photos show the sheds, but not in enough detail to make out what's there.
A 1934 photo is also blurred, but looks more like a loco shed. However,
a 1961 photo shows the goods yard sign on Trafford Bank Rd and I'm adding a link to a photo of a 20-road shed, which fits with Johnson's description of TP shed, so I accept I must be wrong. My note taking in those days must have been poorer than I thought.
Johnragla (
talk)
06:54, 6 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Following your link titled
1951 aerial photos (which I see is actually dated 7th July 1953), at bottom centre is the triangular junction that I mentioned earlier; at lower right we see the railway complex that is depicted in
File:1961 map Trafford Park sheds.jpg. The shed clearly has more than six tracks, but alongside (to the left) and above it are several rakes of carriages. Poking out of the western (lower) end four more carriages can be seen. I don't see any locos; other features associated with a loco depot that seem to be absent are a turntable and water tower.
Try going to
old-maps.co.uk for the eastern of our two facilities. In the left margin, locate the item for "OS Plan 1950-1954 1:1,250", click the "Enlarge View" button, and examine the map (you can turn off the blue box by means of the left-hand button below the "Contact us" link). It should be centred on Cornbrook carriage shed - it says "Carriage shed".
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The map extract on this article is incorrect. It shows Cornbrook Carriage Sidings, not Trafford Park TMD (which is further to the West, after the triangular Throstle Nest Junction. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Bbparry (
talk •
contribs) 00:43, 15 May 2013
No, I never went anywhere near the Trafford Park Railway, but I did visit the sheds near Old Trafford station. E. M. Johnson says the 1877 3-road shed was at Cornbrook until TP opened in March 1895, accessed from TP Jct.
Johnragla (
talk)
23:13, 5 February 2016 (UTC)reply
So not Trafford Park and Cornbrook closed in 1895 and Cornbrook sidings were beyond Cornbrook Jt, so what was it, why did the shedmaster call it Trafford Park and where was the Trafford Park Railway shed?
Johnragla (
talk)
00:00, 6 February 2016 (UTC)reply
The facility depicted in
File:1961 map Trafford Park sheds.jpg is Cornbrook Sidings, a goods station, which included a carriage shed, not a locomotive shed, on its north-western side. Cornbrook Junction is at upper right, level with Turner Street; the triangular layout at left has Throstle Nest Junction at the north-eastern corner, adjacent to the carriage shed; Throstle Nest South Junction at the southern corner; and Trafford Park Junction at the western corner, just off the edge of the image. The dark red text on that image is not on the original map, which was black and white. The OS 1:10,560 plan of 1956 shows that the carriage shed had six tracks under cover.
Neither map names either site, nor does
the 1948 map, so maps don't seem to be the solution to the problem. Johnson said the shed had become a Freightliner depot and the sale of a Freightliner site is recorded at
the national archives site, but it doesn't detail what's being sold, nor whether it was just the privatisation of Freightliner.
[1],and1951 aerial photos show the sheds, but not in enough detail to make out what's there.
A 1934 photo is also blurred, but looks more like a loco shed. However,
a 1961 photo shows the goods yard sign on Trafford Bank Rd and I'm adding a link to a photo of a 20-road shed, which fits with Johnson's description of TP shed, so I accept I must be wrong. My note taking in those days must have been poorer than I thought.
Johnragla (
talk)
06:54, 6 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Following your link titled
1951 aerial photos (which I see is actually dated 7th July 1953), at bottom centre is the triangular junction that I mentioned earlier; at lower right we see the railway complex that is depicted in
File:1961 map Trafford Park sheds.jpg. The shed clearly has more than six tracks, but alongside (to the left) and above it are several rakes of carriages. Poking out of the western (lower) end four more carriages can be seen. I don't see any locos; other features associated with a loco depot that seem to be absent are a turntable and water tower.
Try going to
old-maps.co.uk for the eastern of our two facilities. In the left margin, locate the item for "OS Plan 1950-1954 1:1,250", click the "Enlarge View" button, and examine the map (you can turn off the blue box by means of the left-hand button below the "Contact us" link). It should be centred on Cornbrook carriage shed - it says "Carriage shed".