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Is the nickname Trabbi (two "b"s) or Trabi? Googlefight prefers Trabi, and that's how I've seen it up to now:
Trabbi ( 31 500 results)
versus
Trabi ( 76 600 results)
of course, I'll defer to someone from .de.
Rabbi? What rabbi? Who drives a rabbi?
This came as many owners were already replacing the initial engine with that of a Fiat 128.
This is news to me. Such practice would have been extremely rare, if for no other reason than the very short supply of any Fiat engines. (BTW, de:Trabant (PKW) doesn't mention anything about Fiat engines put in Trabis.) If we can't come up with any evidence to this being a widespread practice, I suggest removing the sentence. -- ThorstenNY 18:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
There are well, at least there is one. Have done it, Fiat 950 (actually Zastava 950 ccm) engine with its gearbox put in a trabant, takes some effort but it can be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.176.207.177 ( talk) 00:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't know a single Trabbi running with a Fiat engine, this must be a missinformation. One thing about engine tuning which was widespread, was the self tuning of the cylinder block by filing off this. After this the cylinder height was less therefore the volume smaller and the compression higher. Those cars could drive up to 140 km/h easily. There where also tuned engines from the Trabant racing series (up to 170km/h) (Yes they had there own racing class)on the black market. It is also well known that the Stasi (Security Agency of East Germany) used those tuned cars to observe western cars on the highway (Autobahn) from West Germany to West-Berlin trough East-German territory or simply to reach them faster.
There was the Trabant 500 with 494cm³ and 13 kW (18 PS) Trabant 600 with 599cm³ and 17 kW (23 PS) Trabant 601 with 600cm³ and 19,1 kW (26 PS) Trabant 1.1 with 1100cm³ and 31 kW (42 PS)
Having recently quit my standing as a 1991 Polo owner, I would have regarded a full 1100cc engine (i suspect 1089 or 1108? actual sizes of late 70s/early 80s polo motors giving 50 and 60hp output, alongside the teeny 898cc with 40hp) as a slight upgrade - my own used a 1043cc with a reasonably healthy 45hp / 33kw output. This motor series was used (also including the 1272cc (55 - 75hp, 113hp supercharged / 40-55 and 83kW) versions, and probably larger capacities) by VW in the Golf and Polo (with variations on it's technological outfitting, but always with the 1.05 having the same capacity and power) from about 1983 through to 1995, when it was discontinued in favour of their much more up-to-date (and yet smaller!) 999 (50hp) and 1197cc (60hp) units. Indeed I'd be tempted to say it was the most popular through the late 80s, when the Trabant replacement plans were drawn up...
Perhaps the original author's intended meaning referred to the physical size of the whole engine apparatus? (this point needs to be made more obvious!).. I'm intimately familiar with the thing having overhauled one, and it's already impressively compact for what's in there, but may have trouble fitting in the stead of a 2-pot, 600cc 2-stroke (the trabi's engine compartment appears a fair bit lower and shorter than a polo bonnet!) - plus I assume a fair bit of rearrangement would have been necessary regarding cooling and power transmission provisions.
Thoughts on the subject do reveal the remarkably low weight of the vehicle, however - the polo engine has nearly twice the peak power and isn't short on midrange torque, and is fitted to a frame that itself seems lightweight compared to modern superminis and aerodynamic next to the trabant... but even with a close ratio gearbox the car can't claim better than a 1 or 2 second advantage on the 0-60mph (96... call it 100kmh) dash! (This is also despite a 20mph / 33kmh top speed difference, the VW holding claim to a fairly realistic 145kmh/90mph)... I expect at low, city-bound speeds, the trabi may even beat the more powerful car away from the traffic lights, and combined with the handling advantages of it's duroplast-derived low weight, be much quicker on sideroad dashes and be an incredibly entertaining driving experience. (I'm not an owner or a committed fan, but I know how much of a smile something even as light as the polo can raise, and how it can give larger, "quicker" vehicles considerable headaches crosstown, with just a 45hp engine, wide-set 4 speed gearbox, narrow tyres and squashy suspension)
As you can tell from http://www.snydmans-wahn.de/Pics/T11alt/T11-Motorraum.jpg and http://www.snydmans-wahn.de/Pics/Umbau1/Umbau4.jpg the Polo engine fits quite well. You could probably fit an even bigger engine if necessary. // Liftarn
There is also a movie called Go Trabi Go. Apokrif 17:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
There is also an amusement park ride named Trabant, it's pretty common. It does not yet have an article but if and when, it's another disambig I think. ++ Lar: t/ c 16:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The article says trabants are fast: and was compact, fast and durable. Later on, the article says that their 0-60 was approx 21 seconds and top speed 70mph: The car took 21 seconds from 0 to 100 km/h and the top speed was 112 km/h. This isn't exactly fast, is it? Can we remove that adjective?
it does not exactly mean "satellite". "Trabant" is a very old-fashioned astronomy term for "moon" ie. "companion/accompanying star/body". It is not commonly used for artificial satellites. The noun "Satellit" means both artificial and natural satellites, though in general talk usually the artificial ones.
The word "trabant" isn't Latin, neither it has Latin origin. In mediaeval German it meant foot soldier, personal guard, serviceman. The origin is Czech "drab", "drabant": a menial, foot soldier, a rogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.84.182.24 ( talk) 12:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
There needs to be a discussion of the fact that a finished Trabi was so horrifically worthless that the East German dictatorship could have made more money selling the raw materials for its production. In other words, by manufacturing this shitty Marxist ideal, the Communists were literally destroying value.
And you need to sign your contributions and temper your bad language and political axe grinding. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 20:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Value is relative, and therefore depends on how you define it. A car that has non rusting panels, seats 4, a reliable engine with only 5 moving parts, and achieving >50mpg was an extremely valuable mode of transport. Bear in mind that the design was very efficient in the use of raw materials, and the 'organic-composite' Duroplast panels even used waste cotton.
Making a product from raw materials for profit is the industrial definition of 'added value', but this is a purely financial definition [In a world without bankers, value becomes more useful and beauty looses its price]
Ray (classic car enthusiast, and observer of the failings of communism and capitalism alike) —Preceding
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82.16.141.198 (
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21:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I fondly remember the advertisement for the "Trabant Diplomat" in the Saechsicher (sp) Zeitung - featuring a picture of a six-door Trabant.
This was well before the "Wende" and certainly not material for "Neues Deutschland".
Unfortunately, chances are nil that this ad even existed in digital format, let alone that it could be found by Google ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.93.67.168 ( talk) 14:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
78.52.50.52 ( talk) 21:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC) Here's a pic of the Trabant Diplomat: http://einestages.spiegel.de/external/ShowTopicAlbumBackgroundXXL/a27382/l6/l0/F.html#featuredEntry
A Cold War-era joke about the Trabi — recently featured on http://www.spiegel.de — goes like this:
A Trabi comes racing down the highway, misses a curve and comes to rest in a field over a cowpie. The cowpie says, "So, what are you?" "I'm a car," the Trabi replies. "Ha!" says the cowpie, "If you're a car, then I'm a pizza!"
Another joke was the following:
-How many person do you need to build a Trabant? 3
1. one to draw the shape;
2. one to cut them;
3. one to glue them together.
This is of course in reference to the plastic body of the car.
93.96.115.80 ( talk) 12:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The Trabant was produced by "VEB Sachsenring Automobilwerke Zwickau" which was renamed after 1990 to "Sachsenring Automobilwerke GmbH". -- 84.188.103.176 13:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC) ( de:Benutzer:RokerHRO)
It seems that the petrol tank is above the motor? 216.86.113.233 03:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Yep. Gravity fed, so you don't need a fuel pump! Blaise ( talk) 09:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
It's not litterally 'above' the engine , but it is higher - as per pretty much every motorbike you'll see. Fuel pumps can stop, but gravity wont. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.141.198 ( talk) 21:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
it has both, maybe found it here (DRAWINGS OF ALL PARTS OF THE TRABI) http://www.trabiland.de/trabiex/pic/Uebersicht.html
found it! pic 32 the part right above is the cock who goes to the in-cabin part on the non-drivers side.
217.235.3.97 (
talk)
20:16, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The writer of this article seems to overstate the engineering of this vehicle. Note the frequent use of "ultimate" as in "ultimate engineering" or "ultimate competitor". Wondering if this is the result of a political leaning or a mis-understanding of the English word - ultimate.
Ndjamena ( talk) 12:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
This article's use of
external links may not follow Wikipedia's policies or guidelines. |
I agree that there are too many links here, many of which point to blogs of owners, which seems more designed to drive traffic to those sites than to provide information. In the immediate terms, I edited the external links to delete the following, which point fruitlessly to FTP sites or point to a blog that requires authorization to view.
MrNeutronSF ( talk) 11:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Why are Trabant automobiles not allowed in Umweltzonen? -- 88.76.253.109 ( talk) 18:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umweltzone#Germany
I think there is little detail on the cultural influence of the vehicle on Eastern germans as well as in Western culture, particularly after the fall of the Berlin wall. There is no further information regarding the army version as well.-- Andyboza ( talk) 05:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
The Trabant 601 A (Armee - Army) and Trabant 601 F (Forst - Forest) This one is called Trabant Kübel (or Kuebel if you can´t type ü). In duty at the Border Troops of the German Democratic Republic and the National People's Army. Build 8022 overall.
Alteration to the civil version are eg. a auxiliary heating system and the engine is shielded from interference (RFI suppressed). Same for the work in the Forest. Build 2024 overall. The word Kübel is in english bucket or tub. In WWII cars with high mobility and low wight were needed and so they throw away all what is "useless" for an soldier in action. Eg. the roof or the doors. So that soldiers not fall out of the cars, seats where build as body-contoured seats (or bucket seats). All this kind of cars are called "Bucketcars" or Kübelwagen in german. Examples for Wehrmacht, NVA and Bundeswehr: [ [1]]
The civil version of the Trabant 601 A and F is called TRAMP and was only for export, most of them to Greece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70jD6wjQPXg Build 926 overall.
For the Trabant 1.1 Tramp i found that:
http://www.viertakttrabant.de/viertakttrabant/bilder/prostrampeng1.jpg
http://www.viertakttrabant.de/viertakttrabant/bilder/prostrampeng23.jpg
http://www.viertakttrabant.de/viertakttrabant/bilder/prostrampeng4.jpg
Source: http://www.trabantkuebel.de/technik/technik-kuebel-und-tramp/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.235.25.47 ( talk) 19:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
== Shaking the Trabbi to mix the 2-stroke? == HI back in the 70s with our lambretas we put the oil in first then the petrol then shook the hell out of them.
I'm thinking quite strongly that I'm going to straight up remove that bit, and if someone's got any hard evidence to suggest that's how you really do it they can add it back in - with a citation. You wouldn't put the oil and fuel into a 2-stoke bike and then shake the whole machine, to do so with an entire car is absurd. 2-stroke fuel isn't commonly called "pre mix" for nothing. Plus the effect of that going into a tank already with mixed fuel in is questionable, particularly if you misjudged it and ended up without enough space for one or the other. You mix it up in your much more easily shaken 5, 10 or 25 litre jerrycan(s) then tip the resulting stuff into the car (or bike). Preferably make up some full cans but then only tip in as much as you need for the journeys you'll go on that day or perhaps week, so you don't then have to ACTUALLY end up shaking the car to mix up the now-seperated fuel-oil emulsion near the end of the tank. (The half full jerrycan is still easily shaken, and it's only a few moments to tip the remainder into the tank, where it will agitate the leftovers by itself).
I mean, maybe it's true, but it's the first time I've heard of doing that for the Trabant, or other 2-stroke cars like the old Saabs, or any motorcycle, lawnmower or chainsaw. You mix it up before pouring it in, like anyone with a brain.
Retorts, corrections... youtube uploads of archive footage? 193.63.174.10 ( talk) 20:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
like EVERYTHING! in life, the Sandmännchen define it. the clip is called filling station and it´s late 70´s anywhere in the GDR. at 5.00 mins you can see how to fill up a trabant. fuel sort is called 88 gemisch (means mixed) with 88 octan. it´s mixed 1:33 (oil:fuel) for high load like long autobahn rides or in the mountains or 1:50 for normal use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FnNCi3dYmw
Excellent, will definately watch more of those 86.161.154.170 ( talk) 22:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
i´ve changed the model section into a gallery section. please could a native speaker check it. i didn´t found common pics for the TRAMP version. see also the discussion - Army model. there are some exemplar sites, but they are no common. if this added on the old controversial gallery section could be closed/deleted. 217.235.16.53 ( talk) 22:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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Nice work, but the dry weight was 615 kg (Limousine) and 650 kg for the Universal / Station wagon, not 750 kg !
And Sascha Fiss made several Trabants with VW-engines and VW front unit (Lupo 3L TDI, Lupo GTI and 1.8 Turbo) up to 220 hp, one single car with 300 hp. Link to www.unicates.de ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.220.68 ( talk) 16:47, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
I would doubtly say that that written in IPA is the correct pronunciation, since alveolar trill /r/ occurs only in High German dialects; not in Prussian, Saxon and Thuringian (those in DDR) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.35.5.198 ( talk) 11:51, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
The Potential revival section appears to be outdated. Sca ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
The article says "Earlier models had no fuel gauge; a dipstick was inserted into the tank to determine how much fuel remained."
It was not exactly like this, there was no need for a regular manual test. There was a three-state fuel switch below the dashboard in the middle (on, spare, off). Should the car have run out of fuel in "on" mode, the driver turned the switch to "spare" position to open the way for some remainder fuel from the bottom of the tank to the engine. I found a source supporting my memories, unfortunately in Hungarian: http://www.hetek.hu/szabadido/199812/trabant_az_usa_ban
Also, "earlier models" is an understatement. As far as I remember, Trabis were sold with this system way into the eighties. Maybe the last "deluxe" two-stroke series - those equipped with 4-speed electric wipers etc - were different, but it was really only in the last couple of years.
If you don't mind I'll change these. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.78.117.6 ( talk) 07:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
Is the nickname Trabbi (two "b"s) or Trabi? Googlefight prefers Trabi, and that's how I've seen it up to now:
Trabbi ( 31 500 results)
versus
Trabi ( 76 600 results)
of course, I'll defer to someone from .de.
Rabbi? What rabbi? Who drives a rabbi?
This came as many owners were already replacing the initial engine with that of a Fiat 128.
This is news to me. Such practice would have been extremely rare, if for no other reason than the very short supply of any Fiat engines. (BTW, de:Trabant (PKW) doesn't mention anything about Fiat engines put in Trabis.) If we can't come up with any evidence to this being a widespread practice, I suggest removing the sentence. -- ThorstenNY 18:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
There are well, at least there is one. Have done it, Fiat 950 (actually Zastava 950 ccm) engine with its gearbox put in a trabant, takes some effort but it can be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.176.207.177 ( talk) 00:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't know a single Trabbi running with a Fiat engine, this must be a missinformation. One thing about engine tuning which was widespread, was the self tuning of the cylinder block by filing off this. After this the cylinder height was less therefore the volume smaller and the compression higher. Those cars could drive up to 140 km/h easily. There where also tuned engines from the Trabant racing series (up to 170km/h) (Yes they had there own racing class)on the black market. It is also well known that the Stasi (Security Agency of East Germany) used those tuned cars to observe western cars on the highway (Autobahn) from West Germany to West-Berlin trough East-German territory or simply to reach them faster.
There was the Trabant 500 with 494cm³ and 13 kW (18 PS) Trabant 600 with 599cm³ and 17 kW (23 PS) Trabant 601 with 600cm³ and 19,1 kW (26 PS) Trabant 1.1 with 1100cm³ and 31 kW (42 PS)
Having recently quit my standing as a 1991 Polo owner, I would have regarded a full 1100cc engine (i suspect 1089 or 1108? actual sizes of late 70s/early 80s polo motors giving 50 and 60hp output, alongside the teeny 898cc with 40hp) as a slight upgrade - my own used a 1043cc with a reasonably healthy 45hp / 33kw output. This motor series was used (also including the 1272cc (55 - 75hp, 113hp supercharged / 40-55 and 83kW) versions, and probably larger capacities) by VW in the Golf and Polo (with variations on it's technological outfitting, but always with the 1.05 having the same capacity and power) from about 1983 through to 1995, when it was discontinued in favour of their much more up-to-date (and yet smaller!) 999 (50hp) and 1197cc (60hp) units. Indeed I'd be tempted to say it was the most popular through the late 80s, when the Trabant replacement plans were drawn up...
Perhaps the original author's intended meaning referred to the physical size of the whole engine apparatus? (this point needs to be made more obvious!).. I'm intimately familiar with the thing having overhauled one, and it's already impressively compact for what's in there, but may have trouble fitting in the stead of a 2-pot, 600cc 2-stroke (the trabi's engine compartment appears a fair bit lower and shorter than a polo bonnet!) - plus I assume a fair bit of rearrangement would have been necessary regarding cooling and power transmission provisions.
Thoughts on the subject do reveal the remarkably low weight of the vehicle, however - the polo engine has nearly twice the peak power and isn't short on midrange torque, and is fitted to a frame that itself seems lightweight compared to modern superminis and aerodynamic next to the trabant... but even with a close ratio gearbox the car can't claim better than a 1 or 2 second advantage on the 0-60mph (96... call it 100kmh) dash! (This is also despite a 20mph / 33kmh top speed difference, the VW holding claim to a fairly realistic 145kmh/90mph)... I expect at low, city-bound speeds, the trabi may even beat the more powerful car away from the traffic lights, and combined with the handling advantages of it's duroplast-derived low weight, be much quicker on sideroad dashes and be an incredibly entertaining driving experience. (I'm not an owner or a committed fan, but I know how much of a smile something even as light as the polo can raise, and how it can give larger, "quicker" vehicles considerable headaches crosstown, with just a 45hp engine, wide-set 4 speed gearbox, narrow tyres and squashy suspension)
As you can tell from http://www.snydmans-wahn.de/Pics/T11alt/T11-Motorraum.jpg and http://www.snydmans-wahn.de/Pics/Umbau1/Umbau4.jpg the Polo engine fits quite well. You could probably fit an even bigger engine if necessary. // Liftarn
There is also a movie called Go Trabi Go. Apokrif 17:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
There is also an amusement park ride named Trabant, it's pretty common. It does not yet have an article but if and when, it's another disambig I think. ++ Lar: t/ c 16:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The article says trabants are fast: and was compact, fast and durable. Later on, the article says that their 0-60 was approx 21 seconds and top speed 70mph: The car took 21 seconds from 0 to 100 km/h and the top speed was 112 km/h. This isn't exactly fast, is it? Can we remove that adjective?
it does not exactly mean "satellite". "Trabant" is a very old-fashioned astronomy term for "moon" ie. "companion/accompanying star/body". It is not commonly used for artificial satellites. The noun "Satellit" means both artificial and natural satellites, though in general talk usually the artificial ones.
The word "trabant" isn't Latin, neither it has Latin origin. In mediaeval German it meant foot soldier, personal guard, serviceman. The origin is Czech "drab", "drabant": a menial, foot soldier, a rogue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.84.182.24 ( talk) 12:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
There needs to be a discussion of the fact that a finished Trabi was so horrifically worthless that the East German dictatorship could have made more money selling the raw materials for its production. In other words, by manufacturing this shitty Marxist ideal, the Communists were literally destroying value.
And you need to sign your contributions and temper your bad language and political axe grinding. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 20:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Value is relative, and therefore depends on how you define it. A car that has non rusting panels, seats 4, a reliable engine with only 5 moving parts, and achieving >50mpg was an extremely valuable mode of transport. Bear in mind that the design was very efficient in the use of raw materials, and the 'organic-composite' Duroplast panels even used waste cotton.
Making a product from raw materials for profit is the industrial definition of 'added value', but this is a purely financial definition [In a world without bankers, value becomes more useful and beauty looses its price]
Ray (classic car enthusiast, and observer of the failings of communism and capitalism alike) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.16.141.198 (
talk)
21:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
I fondly remember the advertisement for the "Trabant Diplomat" in the Saechsicher (sp) Zeitung - featuring a picture of a six-door Trabant.
This was well before the "Wende" and certainly not material for "Neues Deutschland".
Unfortunately, chances are nil that this ad even existed in digital format, let alone that it could be found by Google ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.93.67.168 ( talk) 14:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
78.52.50.52 ( talk) 21:38, 7 February 2013 (UTC) Here's a pic of the Trabant Diplomat: http://einestages.spiegel.de/external/ShowTopicAlbumBackgroundXXL/a27382/l6/l0/F.html#featuredEntry
A Cold War-era joke about the Trabi — recently featured on http://www.spiegel.de — goes like this:
A Trabi comes racing down the highway, misses a curve and comes to rest in a field over a cowpie. The cowpie says, "So, what are you?" "I'm a car," the Trabi replies. "Ha!" says the cowpie, "If you're a car, then I'm a pizza!"
Another joke was the following:
-How many person do you need to build a Trabant? 3
1. one to draw the shape;
2. one to cut them;
3. one to glue them together.
This is of course in reference to the plastic body of the car.
93.96.115.80 ( talk) 12:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The Trabant was produced by "VEB Sachsenring Automobilwerke Zwickau" which was renamed after 1990 to "Sachsenring Automobilwerke GmbH". -- 84.188.103.176 13:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC) ( de:Benutzer:RokerHRO)
It seems that the petrol tank is above the motor? 216.86.113.233 03:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Yep. Gravity fed, so you don't need a fuel pump! Blaise ( talk) 09:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
It's not litterally 'above' the engine , but it is higher - as per pretty much every motorbike you'll see. Fuel pumps can stop, but gravity wont. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.141.198 ( talk) 21:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
it has both, maybe found it here (DRAWINGS OF ALL PARTS OF THE TRABI) http://www.trabiland.de/trabiex/pic/Uebersicht.html
found it! pic 32 the part right above is the cock who goes to the in-cabin part on the non-drivers side.
217.235.3.97 (
talk)
20:16, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The writer of this article seems to overstate the engineering of this vehicle. Note the frequent use of "ultimate" as in "ultimate engineering" or "ultimate competitor". Wondering if this is the result of a political leaning or a mis-understanding of the English word - ultimate.
Ndjamena ( talk) 12:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
This article's use of
external links may not follow Wikipedia's policies or guidelines. |
I agree that there are too many links here, many of which point to blogs of owners, which seems more designed to drive traffic to those sites than to provide information. In the immediate terms, I edited the external links to delete the following, which point fruitlessly to FTP sites or point to a blog that requires authorization to view.
MrNeutronSF ( talk) 11:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Why are Trabant automobiles not allowed in Umweltzonen? -- 88.76.253.109 ( talk) 18:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umweltzone#Germany
I think there is little detail on the cultural influence of the vehicle on Eastern germans as well as in Western culture, particularly after the fall of the Berlin wall. There is no further information regarding the army version as well.-- Andyboza ( talk) 05:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
The Trabant 601 A (Armee - Army) and Trabant 601 F (Forst - Forest) This one is called Trabant Kübel (or Kuebel if you can´t type ü). In duty at the Border Troops of the German Democratic Republic and the National People's Army. Build 8022 overall.
Alteration to the civil version are eg. a auxiliary heating system and the engine is shielded from interference (RFI suppressed). Same for the work in the Forest. Build 2024 overall. The word Kübel is in english bucket or tub. In WWII cars with high mobility and low wight were needed and so they throw away all what is "useless" for an soldier in action. Eg. the roof or the doors. So that soldiers not fall out of the cars, seats where build as body-contoured seats (or bucket seats). All this kind of cars are called "Bucketcars" or Kübelwagen in german. Examples for Wehrmacht, NVA and Bundeswehr: [ [1]]
The civil version of the Trabant 601 A and F is called TRAMP and was only for export, most of them to Greece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70jD6wjQPXg Build 926 overall.
For the Trabant 1.1 Tramp i found that:
http://www.viertakttrabant.de/viertakttrabant/bilder/prostrampeng1.jpg
http://www.viertakttrabant.de/viertakttrabant/bilder/prostrampeng23.jpg
http://www.viertakttrabant.de/viertakttrabant/bilder/prostrampeng4.jpg
Source: http://www.trabantkuebel.de/technik/technik-kuebel-und-tramp/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.235.25.47 ( talk) 19:42, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
== Shaking the Trabbi to mix the 2-stroke? == HI back in the 70s with our lambretas we put the oil in first then the petrol then shook the hell out of them.
I'm thinking quite strongly that I'm going to straight up remove that bit, and if someone's got any hard evidence to suggest that's how you really do it they can add it back in - with a citation. You wouldn't put the oil and fuel into a 2-stoke bike and then shake the whole machine, to do so with an entire car is absurd. 2-stroke fuel isn't commonly called "pre mix" for nothing. Plus the effect of that going into a tank already with mixed fuel in is questionable, particularly if you misjudged it and ended up without enough space for one or the other. You mix it up in your much more easily shaken 5, 10 or 25 litre jerrycan(s) then tip the resulting stuff into the car (or bike). Preferably make up some full cans but then only tip in as much as you need for the journeys you'll go on that day or perhaps week, so you don't then have to ACTUALLY end up shaking the car to mix up the now-seperated fuel-oil emulsion near the end of the tank. (The half full jerrycan is still easily shaken, and it's only a few moments to tip the remainder into the tank, where it will agitate the leftovers by itself).
I mean, maybe it's true, but it's the first time I've heard of doing that for the Trabant, or other 2-stroke cars like the old Saabs, or any motorcycle, lawnmower or chainsaw. You mix it up before pouring it in, like anyone with a brain.
Retorts, corrections... youtube uploads of archive footage? 193.63.174.10 ( talk) 20:15, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
like EVERYTHING! in life, the Sandmännchen define it. the clip is called filling station and it´s late 70´s anywhere in the GDR. at 5.00 mins you can see how to fill up a trabant. fuel sort is called 88 gemisch (means mixed) with 88 octan. it´s mixed 1:33 (oil:fuel) for high load like long autobahn rides or in the mountains or 1:50 for normal use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FnNCi3dYmw
Excellent, will definately watch more of those 86.161.154.170 ( talk) 22:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
i´ve changed the model section into a gallery section. please could a native speaker check it. i didn´t found common pics for the TRAMP version. see also the discussion - Army model. there are some exemplar sites, but they are no common. if this added on the old controversial gallery section could be closed/deleted. 217.235.16.53 ( talk) 22:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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Nice work, but the dry weight was 615 kg (Limousine) and 650 kg for the Universal / Station wagon, not 750 kg !
And Sascha Fiss made several Trabants with VW-engines and VW front unit (Lupo 3L TDI, Lupo GTI and 1.8 Turbo) up to 220 hp, one single car with 300 hp. Link to www.unicates.de ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.220.68 ( talk) 16:47, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
I would doubtly say that that written in IPA is the correct pronunciation, since alveolar trill /r/ occurs only in High German dialects; not in Prussian, Saxon and Thuringian (those in DDR) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.35.5.198 ( talk) 11:51, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
The Potential revival section appears to be outdated. Sca ( talk) 18:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
The article says "Earlier models had no fuel gauge; a dipstick was inserted into the tank to determine how much fuel remained."
It was not exactly like this, there was no need for a regular manual test. There was a three-state fuel switch below the dashboard in the middle (on, spare, off). Should the car have run out of fuel in "on" mode, the driver turned the switch to "spare" position to open the way for some remainder fuel from the bottom of the tank to the engine. I found a source supporting my memories, unfortunately in Hungarian: http://www.hetek.hu/szabadido/199812/trabant_az_usa_ban
Also, "earlier models" is an understatement. As far as I remember, Trabis were sold with this system way into the eighties. Maybe the last "deluxe" two-stroke series - those equipped with 4-speed electric wipers etc - were different, but it was really only in the last couple of years.
If you don't mind I'll change these. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.78.117.6 ( talk) 07:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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