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Your definition of Toxteth as Liverpool L8 is incorrect. You imply this by including Sefton Park ( L17) as being in Toxteth. The boundaries of Toxteth are not Ullet Rd to the south but much further along at Jericho Lane where Jeremiah Horrocks was born in the Lower Lodge.
Equally, those parts of L8 in the "Canning area" are NOT in Toxteth. This is clearly seen as they are north of the old Parliamentary boundary ( Parliament St/Upper Parliament St) between Liverpool and Toxteth, more correctly Toxteth Park. 213.122.164.105 ( talk)
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I was wondering whether you could explain why you removed my entry about "drug dealers" in the "Famous people" section of this article. I admit that it was flippant and referred to drugs, but some of the other entries in that section were written in a similar vein and haven't been removed. And also, while "drug dealers" might not count as famous people, neither does "Toxteth O'Grady" in the same section.
I've read some of Wikipedia's rules concerning vandalism, specifically "silly vandalism" (which this seems to come close to). However, I do think there may be some inconsistencies in the implementation of those guidelines in this article. Finally, is it normal to remove text without having a discussion or at least explanation of why it's being removed? Cheers. -- MackORell 07:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought Wayne Rooney was from Croxteth & robbie fowler was from Toxteth. Louise2212 ( talk)
Why is the Everton footballer Anichbei included???? As far as I know he was born in Nigeria (So not from Toxteth anyway) and grew up in Crosby (Which is not even in Liverpool never mind Toxteth!!!) Sounds to me like someone is just including him for no other reason than he happens to be black! Maybe someone should realise the vast majority of the population of Toxteth is white.
Next Sissoko, Babel and Yobo will be included!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.202 ( talk) 02:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Would you say Toxteth is a Ghetto, and if so, why? Feddy ( talk)
Loved the photo of the helicopter, it really sums up the Toxteth I knew and loved. -- Salix alba ( talk) 15:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
The following was reciently deleted. Whilst flawed I think there was some material worth including, especially the presence of the synagogue so I pasting the deleted material here.
-- Salix alba ( talk) 14:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
There was also a Jewish community in the Greenbank area where the majority of houses are 3 or 4 bedroom so his/her statement makes no sense. Many "ethnics" "Peacefully" live there and it hasnt effected the house prices (If anything they have gone up) The statement further makes no sense due to the fact that the Jewish community were certainly not large enough to account for the size or numbers of houses in the area. The comments are almost as idiotic as claiming everyone who lives in Childwall is Jewish!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.202 ( talk) 02:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The article refers to him as the first local councillor of Somali origin, but no source is given for this. It's also not clear whether this means the first such councillor in Liverpool, or in the UK. Can anyone add a citation/clear this up? Mtpt 16:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Fraid to say I don't like the latest deletion. This used to be a page of character which reflected the character of the place I knew from ten years ago. It is now as dull as dich water. The Toxky bird summed up the place so well, and resonated with anyone who has lived their. The riots were a defining character of the district setting the tone of the place and prompted much of there regeneration. Maybe it has changed in the last ten years since I lived their, but Toxteth is a place of joyrides being chased by police helicopters, the no go area of Gramby street, continuing tension between police and afro carabean youth. -- Salix alba ( talk) 16:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC) (one time resident)
Nice to see you have lived there for so many years but dont know that the majority of the black population of Toxteth are not Afro Caribian but African or mixed race. Maybe if you spent those years in Toxteth in a more constructive manner you would know this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.202 ( talk) 02:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I live on Gambier Terrace and can I point out that it is NOT in Toxteth, it is still considered to be in Liverpool city center because the postal code for Gambier Terrace is L1 and not L8. It is still in the Georgian quarter though if that was the confusion. Ribcaged ( talk)
I've removed the reference to John Lennon and Gambier Terrace. Liverpool yes, Toxteth no. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gambier+Terrace,+Liverpool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.214.14 ( talk) 20:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
It would seem that this article has been damaged by nonsensical material being added.
eg However, Rob is mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086, and at this time, it appears that he was good mate of History.
Toxteth was divided into two manors of equal size. One was owned by Rob and the other by various mates. After the fight part was granted by Count Roger of Poitou to the ancestor of the Earl of Sefton(Rob). From this fight to about 1604 the land formed part of West Derby forest.
Over the years various fights and brawls were lost and the park was shipped off to Weymouth by Adam, son of William de Liverpool (also a good mate of Rob's) in 1338.
The ancient township of Toxteth, contains the ancient village of Smeedon or Smithdown. It stretches over an area of seven-hundred miles along the River Mersey and two thousand miles inland,
-- Machaethlon ( talk) 07:03, 20 March 2009
The Regeneration section is dominated by the issue of Ringo Starr's birthplace, which I'm sure is very important to his fans but is only a small component of the wider questions around regeneration. The section also reads like a leaflet produced by a Save-Ringo's-Street campaign rather than an NPOV encyclopedia. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
It appears many think Toxteth is just postal district Liverpool 8. Toxteth is roughly the block from Parliament St to Aigburth Vale, from the River Mersey to Smithdown Road. The borders of the ancient park of Toxteth are still its borders and have these borders have never been changed. The Boundary pub on the corner of Smithdown Rd and Lodge Lane tell you that was the boundary at that point. A part of Penny Lane is in Toxteth. Sefton, Princes and Greenbank Parks are all in Toxteth. Toxteth has these postal codes within its borders: L8, L3 (the docks in Toxteth are L3), L7, L17, L18, L15. L8 is the only postal code 100% inside Toxteth. Dingle is 100% inside Toxteth as is St. Michaels & Lark Lane.
If people only want L8 and not Toxteth, then an L8 wiki needs creating. There is one for Dingle which 100% inside Toxteth. A Toxteth wiki is for all of Toxteth. 79.66.31.133 ( talk) 09:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
What needs to be pointed out is that the present Toxteth is NOT Toxteth Park. Do not confuse the two. Dingle is NOT a sub district of Toxteth etc. An editor appears to be confusing the ancient Toxteth with today, in the city of Liverpool, with which Toxteth is much smaller. The above user would be best creating a page from the ancient settlement of Toxteth Park for which he/she can cement all the locations within it, however it is entirely incorrect to refer to almost the entire south end as 'Toxteth this' and 'Toxteth that'. The user may be passionate about Toxteth and I admire that, but please bear in mind that the ancient Toxteth is not the present Toxteth Babydoll9799 ( talk) 16:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
If the present Toxteth is "NOT" the same as Toxteth Park then when in time do you think the boundaries "present" Toxteth were defined. The argument about Toxteth and Toxteth Park is of course specious. Tocky Tech ( ie Toxteth Technical Institute)is of course outside your definition being in Aigburth Rd. So was of course the Toxteth Conservative Club on Aigburth Rd. Both these places were in existence within the last 30 years. There other examples I could quote like Toxteth Fire Station sited off Lark Lane etc etc.
This article really says as much about errors of Wikipedia as a valid source of information as it does about its own accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taffy wales ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Theres been a lot of unconstructive editing by the user from the IP address 79.66.116.52. It's down to editors trying to merge Dingle and other parts of south Liverpool in to Toxteth. I am well aware this may be because of the ancient place of Toxteth Park, which covered a larger area. I'm no historian and i'm not going to try give a history lesson but Toxteth Park is ancient and not part of Liverpool today, there are other places around the city, notably West Derby, that were much larger than they are today. I'm not from Dingle but I think anyone interested from Dingle should keep an eye on this. Babydoll9799 ( talk) 19:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent) Just because a book is still for sale is meaningless — Mein Kampf is still for sale. The boundaries of Toxteth, you say, but we still don't know what you mean by that: the article got very confusing with mentions of precise things like wards, imprecise things like districts, and then "Toxteth" with no explanation of what that is in this context and how it relates to city, ward, parish, etc. Really, if we can pin it down to an entity with meaning, rather than a colloquial term for a neighbourhood, that'll be an excellent advance. And regarding the brook... that was re-routed for the park (say the notices regarding recent renovations), so is of little use as a boundary. – Kieran T ( talk) 23:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I've now protected this page for a week so that hopefully you can develop consensus without edit-warring on the article. Ged UK 14:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Seems there has been changes to Toxteth to again have Toxteth turned in to some mini town in the south end obliterating the modern city of Liverpool. As above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babydoll9799 ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Apart from Toxteth riots, is reference to a car incident fatality necessary? It isnt notorious or a unique incident. It's a little ott in my opinion that it is included Babydoll9799 ( talk) 08:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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Your definition of Toxteth as Liverpool L8 is incorrect. You imply this by including Sefton Park ( L17) as being in Toxteth. The boundaries of Toxteth are not Ullet Rd to the south but much further along at Jericho Lane where Jeremiah Horrocks was born in the Lower Lodge.
Equally, those parts of L8 in the "Canning area" are NOT in Toxteth. This is clearly seen as they are north of the old Parliamentary boundary ( Parliament St/Upper Parliament St) between Liverpool and Toxteth, more correctly Toxteth Park. 213.122.164.105 ( talk)
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User talk:Icairns)
I was wondering whether you could explain why you removed my entry about "drug dealers" in the "Famous people" section of this article. I admit that it was flippant and referred to drugs, but some of the other entries in that section were written in a similar vein and haven't been removed. And also, while "drug dealers" might not count as famous people, neither does "Toxteth O'Grady" in the same section.
I've read some of Wikipedia's rules concerning vandalism, specifically "silly vandalism" (which this seems to come close to). However, I do think there may be some inconsistencies in the implementation of those guidelines in this article. Finally, is it normal to remove text without having a discussion or at least explanation of why it's being removed? Cheers. -- MackORell 07:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought Wayne Rooney was from Croxteth & robbie fowler was from Toxteth. Louise2212 ( talk)
Why is the Everton footballer Anichbei included???? As far as I know he was born in Nigeria (So not from Toxteth anyway) and grew up in Crosby (Which is not even in Liverpool never mind Toxteth!!!) Sounds to me like someone is just including him for no other reason than he happens to be black! Maybe someone should realise the vast majority of the population of Toxteth is white.
Next Sissoko, Babel and Yobo will be included!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.202 ( talk) 02:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Would you say Toxteth is a Ghetto, and if so, why? Feddy ( talk)
Loved the photo of the helicopter, it really sums up the Toxteth I knew and loved. -- Salix alba ( talk) 15:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
The following was reciently deleted. Whilst flawed I think there was some material worth including, especially the presence of the synagogue so I pasting the deleted material here.
-- Salix alba ( talk) 14:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
There was also a Jewish community in the Greenbank area where the majority of houses are 3 or 4 bedroom so his/her statement makes no sense. Many "ethnics" "Peacefully" live there and it hasnt effected the house prices (If anything they have gone up) The statement further makes no sense due to the fact that the Jewish community were certainly not large enough to account for the size or numbers of houses in the area. The comments are almost as idiotic as claiming everyone who lives in Childwall is Jewish!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.202 ( talk) 02:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The article refers to him as the first local councillor of Somali origin, but no source is given for this. It's also not clear whether this means the first such councillor in Liverpool, or in the UK. Can anyone add a citation/clear this up? Mtpt 16:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Fraid to say I don't like the latest deletion. This used to be a page of character which reflected the character of the place I knew from ten years ago. It is now as dull as dich water. The Toxky bird summed up the place so well, and resonated with anyone who has lived their. The riots were a defining character of the district setting the tone of the place and prompted much of there regeneration. Maybe it has changed in the last ten years since I lived their, but Toxteth is a place of joyrides being chased by police helicopters, the no go area of Gramby street, continuing tension between police and afro carabean youth. -- Salix alba ( talk) 16:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC) (one time resident)
Nice to see you have lived there for so many years but dont know that the majority of the black population of Toxteth are not Afro Caribian but African or mixed race. Maybe if you spent those years in Toxteth in a more constructive manner you would know this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.29.202 ( talk) 02:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I live on Gambier Terrace and can I point out that it is NOT in Toxteth, it is still considered to be in Liverpool city center because the postal code for Gambier Terrace is L1 and not L8. It is still in the Georgian quarter though if that was the confusion. Ribcaged ( talk)
I've removed the reference to John Lennon and Gambier Terrace. Liverpool yes, Toxteth no. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Gambier+Terrace,+Liverpool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.214.14 ( talk) 20:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
It would seem that this article has been damaged by nonsensical material being added.
eg However, Rob is mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086, and at this time, it appears that he was good mate of History.
Toxteth was divided into two manors of equal size. One was owned by Rob and the other by various mates. After the fight part was granted by Count Roger of Poitou to the ancestor of the Earl of Sefton(Rob). From this fight to about 1604 the land formed part of West Derby forest.
Over the years various fights and brawls were lost and the park was shipped off to Weymouth by Adam, son of William de Liverpool (also a good mate of Rob's) in 1338.
The ancient township of Toxteth, contains the ancient village of Smeedon or Smithdown. It stretches over an area of seven-hundred miles along the River Mersey and two thousand miles inland,
-- Machaethlon ( talk) 07:03, 20 March 2009
The Regeneration section is dominated by the issue of Ringo Starr's birthplace, which I'm sure is very important to his fans but is only a small component of the wider questions around regeneration. The section also reads like a leaflet produced by a Save-Ringo's-Street campaign rather than an NPOV encyclopedia. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
It appears many think Toxteth is just postal district Liverpool 8. Toxteth is roughly the block from Parliament St to Aigburth Vale, from the River Mersey to Smithdown Road. The borders of the ancient park of Toxteth are still its borders and have these borders have never been changed. The Boundary pub on the corner of Smithdown Rd and Lodge Lane tell you that was the boundary at that point. A part of Penny Lane is in Toxteth. Sefton, Princes and Greenbank Parks are all in Toxteth. Toxteth has these postal codes within its borders: L8, L3 (the docks in Toxteth are L3), L7, L17, L18, L15. L8 is the only postal code 100% inside Toxteth. Dingle is 100% inside Toxteth as is St. Michaels & Lark Lane.
If people only want L8 and not Toxteth, then an L8 wiki needs creating. There is one for Dingle which 100% inside Toxteth. A Toxteth wiki is for all of Toxteth. 79.66.31.133 ( talk) 09:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
What needs to be pointed out is that the present Toxteth is NOT Toxteth Park. Do not confuse the two. Dingle is NOT a sub district of Toxteth etc. An editor appears to be confusing the ancient Toxteth with today, in the city of Liverpool, with which Toxteth is much smaller. The above user would be best creating a page from the ancient settlement of Toxteth Park for which he/she can cement all the locations within it, however it is entirely incorrect to refer to almost the entire south end as 'Toxteth this' and 'Toxteth that'. The user may be passionate about Toxteth and I admire that, but please bear in mind that the ancient Toxteth is not the present Toxteth Babydoll9799 ( talk) 16:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
If the present Toxteth is "NOT" the same as Toxteth Park then when in time do you think the boundaries "present" Toxteth were defined. The argument about Toxteth and Toxteth Park is of course specious. Tocky Tech ( ie Toxteth Technical Institute)is of course outside your definition being in Aigburth Rd. So was of course the Toxteth Conservative Club on Aigburth Rd. Both these places were in existence within the last 30 years. There other examples I could quote like Toxteth Fire Station sited off Lark Lane etc etc.
This article really says as much about errors of Wikipedia as a valid source of information as it does about its own accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taffy wales ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Theres been a lot of unconstructive editing by the user from the IP address 79.66.116.52. It's down to editors trying to merge Dingle and other parts of south Liverpool in to Toxteth. I am well aware this may be because of the ancient place of Toxteth Park, which covered a larger area. I'm no historian and i'm not going to try give a history lesson but Toxteth Park is ancient and not part of Liverpool today, there are other places around the city, notably West Derby, that were much larger than they are today. I'm not from Dingle but I think anyone interested from Dingle should keep an eye on this. Babydoll9799 ( talk) 19:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
(resetting indent) Just because a book is still for sale is meaningless — Mein Kampf is still for sale. The boundaries of Toxteth, you say, but we still don't know what you mean by that: the article got very confusing with mentions of precise things like wards, imprecise things like districts, and then "Toxteth" with no explanation of what that is in this context and how it relates to city, ward, parish, etc. Really, if we can pin it down to an entity with meaning, rather than a colloquial term for a neighbourhood, that'll be an excellent advance. And regarding the brook... that was re-routed for the park (say the notices regarding recent renovations), so is of little use as a boundary. – Kieran T ( talk) 23:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I've now protected this page for a week so that hopefully you can develop consensus without edit-warring on the article. Ged UK 14:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Seems there has been changes to Toxteth to again have Toxteth turned in to some mini town in the south end obliterating the modern city of Liverpool. As above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babydoll9799 ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Apart from Toxteth riots, is reference to a car incident fatality necessary? It isnt notorious or a unique incident. It's a little ott in my opinion that it is included Babydoll9799 ( talk) 08:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
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