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According to the last line of the article, this is a copyright violation.--
Xyzzyplugh 14:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Agree that is copyright violation. I found images and text on these websites. I was adding tag, but someone else beat me to it.
[1][2]FloNighttalk 13:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I garantee that there is not any violation of copyright at this page. My name is Dmitriy A. Pitirimov I am the author of these photograps. Moreover all texts at this page are typed by me or taken from free sources of Uzbekistam media. If you have any question please address to me via e-mail psec@tkt.uz ----
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
This copyright statement seems to indicate otherwise. I could be wrong, it's happened before : ) Other people are more expert. I will find someone else to answer your questions.
FloNighttalk 14:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
"Dmitriy Page" is my nickname. I made it when I started "Pagetour" my personal private collection. Check the home page of
Camp4joy there is my real name at this page, I am the director of the camp and the author of almost all photographs from my sites. If you do not trust, fill any of the forms from my sites, add your e-mail and I will reply. Thank you for protection of my rights! Who will restore my links from other pages, I spent hours for this work? Kind regards ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Dmitriy, thank you for your desire to contribute. However, even putting potential copyright problems aside, there are other issues with this article. First, the way it is written, it would fit much better in a tourist guide book rather than in the encyclopedia. You may wish to consider placing that text in
WikiTravel—which is a different wiki aimed to serve primarily people looking for tourist information. This encyclopedia, however, is not a place for opinions and artistic descriptions; what we need is hard facts, preferrably referenced. Second, as far as linking to this article from other articles goes—the links should not be placed in every single article about Uzbekistan. While placing links in articles such as
Uzbekistan and
List of popular tourist regions is quite justified and acceptable, referencing it from
Geography of Uzbekistan,
Ulugh Beg, or
Nasreddin is definitely not.
Returning to the copyright violation question—simply taking texts from free media is not always acceptable for our purposes. Texts may be in free access, but still be copyrighted. Unless you are absolutely sure that the texts/images are in
public domain or licensed under
GFDL, you should not quote them verbatim. If you are unsure, please read
this and
this first; those pages also have instructions on how to ask a question if you are still unsure about the source texts copyright status.
Hopefully this helps. I have reinstated the copyvio tag untill the matter is completely cleared.—
Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Please! I took into consideration all advices and I try to correct my errors. Now all text and photos are mine! And I have changed the stile of article. What else? ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
I'm sorry, I was over-zealous with my revert. If you need any help with copy-editing please feel free to leave me a note on my talk page.
Spook(
my talk |
my contribs) 10:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I've restored the article to the latest edit by
Jabez; it doesn't seem to be a copyright violation anymore, although it has a POV problem. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. //
Pathoschild (admin / talk) 10:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC):::: "Dmitriy Page" is my nickname. I made it when I started "Pagetour" my personal private collection. Check the home page of
Camp4joy there is my real name at this page, I am the director of the camp and the author of almost all photographs from my sites. If you do not trust, fill any of the forms from my sites, add your e-mail and I will reply. Thank you for protection of my rights! Who will restore my links from other pages, I spent hours for this work? Kind regards ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Dmitriy, thank you for your desire to contribute. However, even putting potential copyright problems aside, there are other issues with this article. First, the way it is written, it would fit much better in a tourist guide book rather than in the encyclopedia. You may wish to consider placing that text in
WikiTravel—which is a different wiki aimed to serve primarily people looking for tourist information. This encyclopedia, however, is not a place for opinions and artistic descriptions; what we need is hard facts, preferrably referenced. Second, as far as linking to this article from other articles goes—the links should not be placed in every single article about Uzbekistan. While placing links in articles such as
Uzbekistan and
List of popular tourist regions is quite justified and acceptable, referencing it from
Geography of Uzbekistan,
Ulugh Beg, or
Nasreddin is definitely not.
Returning to the copyright violation question—simply taking texts from free media is not always acceptable for our purposes. Texts may be in free access, but still be copyrighted. Unless you are absolutely sure that the texts/images are in
public domain or licensed under
GFDL, you should not quote them verbatim. If you are unsure, please read
this and
this first; those pages also have instructions on how to ask a question if you are still unsure about the source texts copyright status.
Hopefully this helps. I have reinstated the copyvio tag untill the matter is completely cleared.—
Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Please! I took into consideration all advices and I try to correct my errors. Now all text and photos are mine! And I have changed the stile of article. What else? ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
I'm sorry, I was over-zealous with my revert. If you need any help with copy-editing please feel free to leave me a note on my talk page.
Spook(
my talk |
my contribs) 10:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I've restored the article to the latest edit by
Jabez; it doesn't seem to be a copyright violation anymore, although it has a POV problem. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. //
Pathoschild (admin / talk) 10:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
What is POV? You mean Point of View? If it is so what you advice to be changed? I don't want to be blocked again. ----
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Yes, POV stands for "Point of View". The goal of this encyclopedia is to write articles that ahdere to NPOV (which is "Neutral POV"). You can read all about NPOV
here. Again, thank you for your contributions—please do not get discouraged with the feedback you received so far. People around here are generally pretty friendly and willing to help out, but copyright breaches and POV-pushing are always taken very seriously. You, of course, being new to Wikipedia, are in no way expected to know all the
rules on your next day of being here, so don't worry about it too much yet. Wikipedia is a fascinating place once you get a grip of what's going on and by what rules the game is played. See you around!—
Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 13:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Discussion about suggested changes
I will read the article and make suggestions here.
FloNighttalk 12:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
First suggestion The article needs an opening paragraph that describes the state of tourism in Uzbekistan. This needs to be fact based. Statistics about number of tourists, routes of transportation, and so on...
FloNighttalk 13:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Ethics and human rights
In my opinion the last added text titled: Ethics and human rights is not relevant to the context of this page. It mostly bears the political assessment than discloses real situation at the country. More about my opinion you can read here
UzbekistanDmitriy A. Pitirimov
Text in questionThe
human rights record of
Uzbekistan reflects its status as a nominal democracy that has frequently been described as a
police state. Several prominent opponents of the government have fled, and among those who have remain, some have been arrested. The government severely represses those it suspects of
Islamicextremism. Some 5,300 to 5,800 suspected extremists are incarcerated. (See main article,
Human rights in Uzbekistan).
A very brief comment about human rights is appropriate but it should tie in with the topic better.
FloNighttalk 13:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I'm surprised that the (virtually unquestioned) fact that Uzbekistan is a police state could in any way be considered inappropriate. Most people in booking their holidays try to avoid countries with such poor human rights records.
Vizjim 14:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I am not questioning the content or the importance of the text. This is one of the pitfalls of vacationing in
Uzbekistan. The creator of the article is a new editor. I am trying to help him understand how to write an article that is
WP:NPOV. Discussing this text that he questioned is a good opportunity to explain
WP:NPOV. Also the wording of the text could tie in with the topic better.
FloNighttalk 14:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
True. I'll try a rewrite later on when I get more time.
Vizjim 15:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Police state or no, it still has interesting stuff to see and do. --
DanielCD 15:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
God, yeah, I agree - it looks stupendously beautiful (if not quite as lovely as
Kyrgyzstan).
Vizjim 15:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
The political variancies of a nation has little to do with whether it has tourist spots. The dangers, however, of any political unrest should likely be noted. Perhaps a glance to the US Dept. of State announcements in regards to travel there. --
DanielCD 15:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Often, human rights organizations encourage tourists to boycott coutries with extreme human rights issues. Sometimes with an organized boycott. If something like that is happening, it could might be mentioned.
FloNighttalk 15:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I do not want to be unfriendly on to anyone on this page. Therefore as I was initiator of removing of the text concerning the Human rights in Uzbekistan, now I have try to recover it, edited from my POV. Inasmuch as this text is a product of joint creative work, I thank all who discussed the subject. And ... you are welcomed to edit it.
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Thank you for your advice.
I just started to make the page, I will follow your suggestions, but let me understand the rules of the game. I really don't want to do something against them. I simply need the time to understand.
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
POV tag
Could someone give a clear statement of why the POV tag remains on this article? It seems to need cleanup more than de-POVing. --
DanielCD 14:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Mostly needs copy edit. Not pov to the point it needs tag. Will remove. --
FloNight 00:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Hello, in fact English isn't my native language.
Hello, in fact English isn't my native language. Therefore I possibly have made many mistakes. If you found some, please excuse me. If you want to help please edit this article. Your any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. ----
Jabez 10:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Add link to useful information for tourists
It`s not advertising, this link will be useful for tourists, who wants to visit Uzbekistan. On this page collected more interesting information about Uzbekistan. --- User:Timir01 11:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
The Wikipedia is not a travel site.
WP:NOTTRAVEL External links ought to comply with the guidelines at
Wikipedia:External links. Utility for travelers is not a valid criteria for inclusion. --
Bejnar (
talk) 05:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)reply
Tourism in Uzbekistan is part of WikiProject Central Asia, a project to improve all
Central Asia-related articles. This includes but is not limited to
Afghanistan,
Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyzstan,
Mongolia,
Tajikistan,
Tibet,
Turkmenistan,
Uzbekistan,
Xinjiang and Central Asian portions of
Iran,
Pakistan and
Russia, region-specific topics, and anything else related to Central Asia. If you would like to help improve this and other Central Asia-related articles, please
join the project. All interested editors are welcome.Central AsiaWikipedia:WikiProject Central AsiaTemplate:WikiProject Central AsiaCentral Asia articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Travel and Tourism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of travel and tourism related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Travel and TourismWikipedia:WikiProject Travel and TourismTemplate:WikiProject Travel and TourismTourism articles
According to the last line of the article, this is a copyright violation.--
Xyzzyplugh 14:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Agree that is copyright violation. I found images and text on these websites. I was adding tag, but someone else beat me to it.
[1][2]FloNighttalk 13:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I garantee that there is not any violation of copyright at this page. My name is Dmitriy A. Pitirimov I am the author of these photograps. Moreover all texts at this page are typed by me or taken from free sources of Uzbekistam media. If you have any question please address to me via e-mail psec@tkt.uz ----
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
This copyright statement seems to indicate otherwise. I could be wrong, it's happened before : ) Other people are more expert. I will find someone else to answer your questions.
FloNighttalk 14:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
"Dmitriy Page" is my nickname. I made it when I started "Pagetour" my personal private collection. Check the home page of
Camp4joy there is my real name at this page, I am the director of the camp and the author of almost all photographs from my sites. If you do not trust, fill any of the forms from my sites, add your e-mail and I will reply. Thank you for protection of my rights! Who will restore my links from other pages, I spent hours for this work? Kind regards ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Dmitriy, thank you for your desire to contribute. However, even putting potential copyright problems aside, there are other issues with this article. First, the way it is written, it would fit much better in a tourist guide book rather than in the encyclopedia. You may wish to consider placing that text in
WikiTravel—which is a different wiki aimed to serve primarily people looking for tourist information. This encyclopedia, however, is not a place for opinions and artistic descriptions; what we need is hard facts, preferrably referenced. Second, as far as linking to this article from other articles goes—the links should not be placed in every single article about Uzbekistan. While placing links in articles such as
Uzbekistan and
List of popular tourist regions is quite justified and acceptable, referencing it from
Geography of Uzbekistan,
Ulugh Beg, or
Nasreddin is definitely not.
Returning to the copyright violation question—simply taking texts from free media is not always acceptable for our purposes. Texts may be in free access, but still be copyrighted. Unless you are absolutely sure that the texts/images are in
public domain or licensed under
GFDL, you should not quote them verbatim. If you are unsure, please read
this and
this first; those pages also have instructions on how to ask a question if you are still unsure about the source texts copyright status.
Hopefully this helps. I have reinstated the copyvio tag untill the matter is completely cleared.—
Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Please! I took into consideration all advices and I try to correct my errors. Now all text and photos are mine! And I have changed the stile of article. What else? ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
I'm sorry, I was over-zealous with my revert. If you need any help with copy-editing please feel free to leave me a note on my talk page.
Spook(
my talk |
my contribs) 10:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I've restored the article to the latest edit by
Jabez; it doesn't seem to be a copyright violation anymore, although it has a POV problem. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. //
Pathoschild (admin / talk) 10:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC):::: "Dmitriy Page" is my nickname. I made it when I started "Pagetour" my personal private collection. Check the home page of
Camp4joy there is my real name at this page, I am the director of the camp and the author of almost all photographs from my sites. If you do not trust, fill any of the forms from my sites, add your e-mail and I will reply. Thank you for protection of my rights! Who will restore my links from other pages, I spent hours for this work? Kind regards ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Dmitriy, thank you for your desire to contribute. However, even putting potential copyright problems aside, there are other issues with this article. First, the way it is written, it would fit much better in a tourist guide book rather than in the encyclopedia. You may wish to consider placing that text in
WikiTravel—which is a different wiki aimed to serve primarily people looking for tourist information. This encyclopedia, however, is not a place for opinions and artistic descriptions; what we need is hard facts, preferrably referenced. Second, as far as linking to this article from other articles goes—the links should not be placed in every single article about Uzbekistan. While placing links in articles such as
Uzbekistan and
List of popular tourist regions is quite justified and acceptable, referencing it from
Geography of Uzbekistan,
Ulugh Beg, or
Nasreddin is definitely not.
Returning to the copyright violation question—simply taking texts from free media is not always acceptable for our purposes. Texts may be in free access, but still be copyrighted. Unless you are absolutely sure that the texts/images are in
public domain or licensed under
GFDL, you should not quote them verbatim. If you are unsure, please read
this and
this first; those pages also have instructions on how to ask a question if you are still unsure about the source texts copyright status.
Hopefully this helps. I have reinstated the copyvio tag untill the matter is completely cleared.—
Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Please! I took into consideration all advices and I try to correct my errors. Now all text and photos are mine! And I have changed the stile of article. What else? ---
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
I'm sorry, I was over-zealous with my revert. If you need any help with copy-editing please feel free to leave me a note on my talk page.
Spook(
my talk |
my contribs) 10:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I've restored the article to the latest edit by
Jabez; it doesn't seem to be a copyright violation anymore, although it has a POV problem. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. //
Pathoschild (admin / talk) 10:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
What is POV? You mean Point of View? If it is so what you advice to be changed? I don't want to be blocked again. ----
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Yes, POV stands for "Point of View". The goal of this encyclopedia is to write articles that ahdere to NPOV (which is "Neutral POV"). You can read all about NPOV
here. Again, thank you for your contributions—please do not get discouraged with the feedback you received so far. People around here are generally pretty friendly and willing to help out, but copyright breaches and POV-pushing are always taken very seriously. You, of course, being new to Wikipedia, are in no way expected to know all the
rules on your next day of being here, so don't worry about it too much yet. Wikipedia is a fascinating place once you get a grip of what's going on and by what rules the game is played. See you around!—
Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 13:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Discussion about suggested changes
I will read the article and make suggestions here.
FloNighttalk 12:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
First suggestion The article needs an opening paragraph that describes the state of tourism in Uzbekistan. This needs to be fact based. Statistics about number of tourists, routes of transportation, and so on...
FloNighttalk 13:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Ethics and human rights
In my opinion the last added text titled: Ethics and human rights is not relevant to the context of this page. It mostly bears the political assessment than discloses real situation at the country. More about my opinion you can read here
UzbekistanDmitriy A. Pitirimov
Text in questionThe
human rights record of
Uzbekistan reflects its status as a nominal democracy that has frequently been described as a
police state. Several prominent opponents of the government have fled, and among those who have remain, some have been arrested. The government severely represses those it suspects of
Islamicextremism. Some 5,300 to 5,800 suspected extremists are incarcerated. (See main article,
Human rights in Uzbekistan).
A very brief comment about human rights is appropriate but it should tie in with the topic better.
FloNighttalk 13:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I'm surprised that the (virtually unquestioned) fact that Uzbekistan is a police state could in any way be considered inappropriate. Most people in booking their holidays try to avoid countries with such poor human rights records.
Vizjim 14:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I am not questioning the content or the importance of the text. This is one of the pitfalls of vacationing in
Uzbekistan. The creator of the article is a new editor. I am trying to help him understand how to write an article that is
WP:NPOV. Discussing this text that he questioned is a good opportunity to explain
WP:NPOV. Also the wording of the text could tie in with the topic better.
FloNighttalk 14:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
True. I'll try a rewrite later on when I get more time.
Vizjim 15:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Police state or no, it still has interesting stuff to see and do. --
DanielCD 15:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
God, yeah, I agree - it looks stupendously beautiful (if not quite as lovely as
Kyrgyzstan).
Vizjim 15:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
The political variancies of a nation has little to do with whether it has tourist spots. The dangers, however, of any political unrest should likely be noted. Perhaps a glance to the US Dept. of State announcements in regards to travel there. --
DanielCD 15:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
Often, human rights organizations encourage tourists to boycott coutries with extreme human rights issues. Sometimes with an organized boycott. If something like that is happening, it could might be mentioned.
FloNighttalk 15:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I do not want to be unfriendly on to anyone on this page. Therefore as I was initiator of removing of the text concerning the Human rights in Uzbekistan, now I have try to recover it, edited from my POV. Inasmuch as this text is a product of joint creative work, I thank all who discussed the subject. And ... you are welcomed to edit it.
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
Thank you for your advice.
I just started to make the page, I will follow your suggestions, but let me understand the rules of the game. I really don't want to do something against them. I simply need the time to understand.
Dmitriy A. Pitirimov
POV tag
Could someone give a clear statement of why the POV tag remains on this article? It seems to need cleanup more than de-POVing. --
DanielCD 14:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Mostly needs copy edit. Not pov to the point it needs tag. Will remove. --
FloNight 00:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Hello, in fact English isn't my native language.
Hello, in fact English isn't my native language. Therefore I possibly have made many mistakes. If you found some, please excuse me. If you want to help please edit this article. Your any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. ----
Jabez 10:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Add link to useful information for tourists
It`s not advertising, this link will be useful for tourists, who wants to visit Uzbekistan. On this page collected more interesting information about Uzbekistan. --- User:Timir01 11:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
The Wikipedia is not a travel site.
WP:NOTTRAVEL External links ought to comply with the guidelines at
Wikipedia:External links. Utility for travelers is not a valid criteria for inclusion. --
Bejnar (
talk) 05:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)reply