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If we're talking records for the TdF, it seems right that the record for the first black rider in the Tour should be included on this page. This is a significant milestone, particularly given it came so recently in the Tour's history. This record has been removed after I added it, but I'd like consensus please. OGBC1992 ( talk) 10:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
I recon there should be a separate chart for most finishes as right now a lot of names are missing. Firestar47 ( talk) 08:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
There is no denying that if the young rider classification had existed in 1969 with the rules that exist in 2024, that Merckx would have won. The introduction mentioned this. I removed it. This is a very strange hypothetical situation to put in an article. I think we should not talk about classifications that did not exist. But even if we did: we should compare to situations that make sense. In 1968, there was a 'Golden arrow' classification in the Tour, open for neo-professionals. In 1970, there was a 'Grand prix des jeunes' classification in the Tour, open for neo-professionals. So if the Tour organizers would have organized a classification for young riders, the only logical criterion is that they would have made it open for neo-professionals. Not for riders below 26 years, something that was not used until twenty years later. If the hypothetical young rider classification would have been for neo-professionals, Merckx would not have won it, because Merckx was not a neo-professional. Therefore, please don't add the misleading statement that Merckx would have won a hypothetical young rider classification in 1969. His performance was amazing enough already. -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 19:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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If we're talking records for the TdF, it seems right that the record for the first black rider in the Tour should be included on this page. This is a significant milestone, particularly given it came so recently in the Tour's history. This record has been removed after I added it, but I'd like consensus please. OGBC1992 ( talk) 10:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
I recon there should be a separate chart for most finishes as right now a lot of names are missing. Firestar47 ( talk) 08:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
There is no denying that if the young rider classification had existed in 1969 with the rules that exist in 2024, that Merckx would have won. The introduction mentioned this. I removed it. This is a very strange hypothetical situation to put in an article. I think we should not talk about classifications that did not exist. But even if we did: we should compare to situations that make sense. In 1968, there was a 'Golden arrow' classification in the Tour, open for neo-professionals. In 1970, there was a 'Grand prix des jeunes' classification in the Tour, open for neo-professionals. So if the Tour organizers would have organized a classification for young riders, the only logical criterion is that they would have made it open for neo-professionals. Not for riders below 26 years, something that was not used until twenty years later. If the hypothetical young rider classification would have been for neo-professionals, Merckx would not have won it, because Merckx was not a neo-professional. Therefore, please don't add the misleading statement that Merckx would have won a hypothetical young rider classification in 1969. His performance was amazing enough already. -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 19:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)