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Concerning the winner of 1904 please read: [1], [2] -- mkrohn 13:13 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
I don't think this sentence makes sense. -- Deane
What happened to them? -- Deane
Lance is number 1, Ulrich is 11. How do those get chosen?
There is no length of race given
I don't think the links to the articles about the individual tours are prominent enough. This is how the table looks now:
90 | 2003 | Lance Armstrong | United States |
91 | 2004 | Lance Armstrong | United States |
92 | 2005 | - | - |
The number in the first column is linked to the individual tours; not really intuitive, and easily overlooked. I'd prefer something like this (even though it is a bit repetitive):
90 | 2003 | Lance Armstrong | United States | Detailed results |
91 | 2004 | Lance Armstrong | United States | Detailed results |
92 | 2005 | - | - | Route |
(Oh, and as you can see, I added some info on next year's tour. It's now in the section "List of overall winners", Should it perhaps be renamed to "List of all tours", or something like that?) -- Eugene van der Pijll 21:00, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I just saw the TdF winners diagram with flags that replaced the EasyTimeline version. Of course it is not clickable like ET version, but it is neat. I will look into adding image support to EasyTimeline, hopefully later this year. -- Erik Zachte 19:00, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I changed the table of TdF winners to list the tours in reverse order, like the graphical timeline to the right of the table. In my experience, this is the common/preferred way of presenting such tables, as many readers are often more interested in the latest results (i.e. this years' and, say, a decade or two back) and only after some further reading may want to check up on earlier results and history. -- Wernher 20:58, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
i added a couple of rows to this table to list "latest winner" "and most yellow jerseys" thinking these are interesting stats for the tour as well. but then i realized two things:
question: does this modification make sense for this article? IMO it is interesting to know who the latest winner is and the holder of the most yellow jerseys.
if someone knows the answers, perhaps the can modify the pages on the giro and vuelta to match this one. -- uri budnik 07:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm the stated 115 yellow jerseys for Eddy Merckx? A recent AP Story says 111. -- Falcorian 03:49, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Only one reputable source so far (Athens 2004) cites 96, but here are 8 sources that say it's 111:
CNN/SI: [5] ESPN: [6] Washington Post: [7] MSNBC: [8] USAToday: [9] Reuters: [10] Associated Press: [11] ABCNews: [12]
Therefore, I am changing it back to 111. -- Supersexyspacemonkey 22:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Imho this article could benefit from moving stuff (terminology, etc.) to road bicycle racing. -- Phlebas 15:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
You got a point there. I will try to make the article more concise, more focused on "Tour de France", and not just "road bicycle racing". -- Onomatopoeia 27 May 2005
OK, did it. Moved much of the "general stuff" into the respective articles, e.g. road bicycle racing, team time trial, stage (bicycle race), individual time trial and so on. -- Onomatopoeia 27 May 2005
I added a footnote about sheltering/drafting because i thought that a casual reader of this article would not realize the significance of this. after reading the comments above on too much general information, now i wonder if this should be here or not. i think it should but of course, i am open to other's opinions. also, my explanation on drafting i feel is a little weak and perhaps could be improved by someone else. the 40% figure that i use is something i have read elsewhere but its not refrenceable. if this number is incorrect, please fix it. uri budnik 06:50, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
I built furhter on a paragraph that someone else started about mountain stages in the ordinary stage section. in it, i said that all the famous stages (except for Champs-Elysées) are mountain stages. i based this on my following the tour de france since 2000 and noticing this fact. if i am wrong, please correct. -- uri budnik 06:50, 28 May 2005 (UTC) (PS: in a way, i suppose the opening prologue is a famous stage...)
Near the end of the section on jerseys, the article says ... "The Tour currently has 21 teams of 9 riders each (when starting), each sponsored by one or more companies." Is it required by the rules that there are only 21 teams? What's to stop me and my buddies from forming our own team and applying for participation, assuming we have enough money for round-trip tickets to France and application fee ( as it seems that no pre-qualification of riders is required )? Incidentally, the whole paragraph should probably be moved out of jerseys and into the "general description." -- Itinerant1 18:01, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Quite a lot seeing that the race organisers are obliged to admit the twenty teams of the UCI Pro Tour and then one wildcard of their own chosing - typically a French team 16:01 4th Jul 2005 (BST)
Yeah, I was thinking about getting a couple guys together, buying some jersies and entering the Superbowl... -- AHands 5 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
Ok, I think I've figured it out.
Can anyone confirm/disprove this? -- Itinerant1 18:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
It appears some racers wear jerseys with their national colors if they are national champions. Can something be added to reflect this and what the guidelines are? (6 July 2005)
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Concerning the winner of 1904 please read: [1], [2] -- mkrohn 13:13 May 4, 2003 (UTC)
I don't think this sentence makes sense. -- Deane
What happened to them? -- Deane
Lance is number 1, Ulrich is 11. How do those get chosen?
There is no length of race given
I don't think the links to the articles about the individual tours are prominent enough. This is how the table looks now:
90 | 2003 | Lance Armstrong | United States |
91 | 2004 | Lance Armstrong | United States |
92 | 2005 | - | - |
The number in the first column is linked to the individual tours; not really intuitive, and easily overlooked. I'd prefer something like this (even though it is a bit repetitive):
90 | 2003 | Lance Armstrong | United States | Detailed results |
91 | 2004 | Lance Armstrong | United States | Detailed results |
92 | 2005 | - | - | Route |
(Oh, and as you can see, I added some info on next year's tour. It's now in the section "List of overall winners", Should it perhaps be renamed to "List of all tours", or something like that?) -- Eugene van der Pijll 21:00, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I just saw the TdF winners diagram with flags that replaced the EasyTimeline version. Of course it is not clickable like ET version, but it is neat. I will look into adding image support to EasyTimeline, hopefully later this year. -- Erik Zachte 19:00, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I changed the table of TdF winners to list the tours in reverse order, like the graphical timeline to the right of the table. In my experience, this is the common/preferred way of presenting such tables, as many readers are often more interested in the latest results (i.e. this years' and, say, a decade or two back) and only after some further reading may want to check up on earlier results and history. -- Wernher 20:58, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
i added a couple of rows to this table to list "latest winner" "and most yellow jerseys" thinking these are interesting stats for the tour as well. but then i realized two things:
question: does this modification make sense for this article? IMO it is interesting to know who the latest winner is and the holder of the most yellow jerseys.
if someone knows the answers, perhaps the can modify the pages on the giro and vuelta to match this one. -- uri budnik 07:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm the stated 115 yellow jerseys for Eddy Merckx? A recent AP Story says 111. -- Falcorian 03:49, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
Only one reputable source so far (Athens 2004) cites 96, but here are 8 sources that say it's 111:
CNN/SI: [5] ESPN: [6] Washington Post: [7] MSNBC: [8] USAToday: [9] Reuters: [10] Associated Press: [11] ABCNews: [12]
Therefore, I am changing it back to 111. -- Supersexyspacemonkey 22:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Imho this article could benefit from moving stuff (terminology, etc.) to road bicycle racing. -- Phlebas 15:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
You got a point there. I will try to make the article more concise, more focused on "Tour de France", and not just "road bicycle racing". -- Onomatopoeia 27 May 2005
OK, did it. Moved much of the "general stuff" into the respective articles, e.g. road bicycle racing, team time trial, stage (bicycle race), individual time trial and so on. -- Onomatopoeia 27 May 2005
I added a footnote about sheltering/drafting because i thought that a casual reader of this article would not realize the significance of this. after reading the comments above on too much general information, now i wonder if this should be here or not. i think it should but of course, i am open to other's opinions. also, my explanation on drafting i feel is a little weak and perhaps could be improved by someone else. the 40% figure that i use is something i have read elsewhere but its not refrenceable. if this number is incorrect, please fix it. uri budnik 06:50, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
I built furhter on a paragraph that someone else started about mountain stages in the ordinary stage section. in it, i said that all the famous stages (except for Champs-Elysées) are mountain stages. i based this on my following the tour de france since 2000 and noticing this fact. if i am wrong, please correct. -- uri budnik 06:50, 28 May 2005 (UTC) (PS: in a way, i suppose the opening prologue is a famous stage...)
Near the end of the section on jerseys, the article says ... "The Tour currently has 21 teams of 9 riders each (when starting), each sponsored by one or more companies." Is it required by the rules that there are only 21 teams? What's to stop me and my buddies from forming our own team and applying for participation, assuming we have enough money for round-trip tickets to France and application fee ( as it seems that no pre-qualification of riders is required )? Incidentally, the whole paragraph should probably be moved out of jerseys and into the "general description." -- Itinerant1 18:01, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Quite a lot seeing that the race organisers are obliged to admit the twenty teams of the UCI Pro Tour and then one wildcard of their own chosing - typically a French team 16:01 4th Jul 2005 (BST)
Yeah, I was thinking about getting a couple guys together, buying some jersies and entering the Superbowl... -- AHands 5 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
Ok, I think I've figured it out.
Can anyone confirm/disprove this? -- Itinerant1 18:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
It appears some racers wear jerseys with their national colors if they are national champions. Can something be added to reflect this and what the guidelines are? (6 July 2005)