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I'm pretty sure that the standard American term for the over-the-shoulder delivery of nuclear weapons is "the LABS maneuver", but I'm working to confirm this. I believe this is covered in the April/May 2003 of Air & Space Smithsonian Magazine ("Exit Strategy," [1]) but I have to see if I can find my copy since the article is not online. I will try to add information and references in this direction. Will also create some redirects. -- Patrick O'Leary 02:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Think the wikilink to CCRP is misdirected, this does seems to be an unrelated research organisation? —Preceding
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"This tactic was first made public on 7 May 1957 at Eglin AFB, when a B–47 entered its bombing run at low altitude, pulled up sharply (3.5 g) into a half loop, releasing its bomb under computer control at a predetermined point in its climb"? What? An IBM 704 is the type of computer they had in 1957. The logistics of running it on a plane, not to mention a plane doing a loop, boggles the mind.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 04:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
An IBM 704 may have been one type of early general-purpose programmable digital computer available in 1957, but by no means were the only computers available, particularly taking into consideration special-purpose mechanical analog computers. In addition to such bulky fire control equipment as the Ford Mark I found aboard naval vessels for control of large guns, smaller guns had gyroscopic precession mechanical computers to assist with aiming (e.g., for 40mm antiaircraft mounts), and bombers during World War II, including the B-17, B-24, etc., relied upon mechanical analog computers to reliably hit targets with their bomb load (e.g., the Norden bombsight). The B-47 included more advanced bombsight technologies, and the bomb release could be coupled to the bombsights to automatically drop a bomb load. See, for example, http://www.glennsmuseum.com/bombsights/bombsights.html and http://web.mit.edu/STS.035/www/PDFs/Newell.pdf. Arclem ( talk) 20:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I was present at a demonstration at Fort Bragg, NC where the aircraft using a low level approach took first a vertical flight path, released the bomb (conventional of course) and returned by the same flight path (not obligatory). This allowed for aircraft protection (as before), precision delivery, and allowance for detonation at a higher altitude (for nuke effectivity against surface targets), and get-away time for the aircraft. I feel this would be a worthy addition here. FYI, TOT was also demonstrated in the same exercise. Idealist707 ( talk) 09:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I remember this kind of manoeuvre being described in Chuck Yeager's biography by Leo Janos. Apparently they experimented with this technique in F86 aircraft with a nuclear delivery role, as a means of ensuring the aircraft would get a safe distance away before detonation. Yeager's unit itself doesn't seem to have a wikipedia page, but there are references to it on these pages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toul-Rosieres_Air_Base#50th_Fighter-Bomber.2FTactical_Fighter_Wing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hahn_Air_Base#50th_Fighter-Bomber_Wing
Here's the information on the book itself, I don't have page numbers, don't have the book atm. Yeager, Chuck and Leo Janos. Yeager: An Autobiography. New York: Bantam, 1985. ISBN 978-0-553-25674-1
OneCatch ( talk) 12:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
This sounds rather inaccurate, especially the over-the-shoulder delivery. Was this technique ever actually used in combat? Did it score any hits? Or was it only intended for nuclear delivery? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.137.134.50 ( talk) 12:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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I'm pretty sure that the standard American term for the over-the-shoulder delivery of nuclear weapons is "the LABS maneuver", but I'm working to confirm this. I believe this is covered in the April/May 2003 of Air & Space Smithsonian Magazine ("Exit Strategy," [1]) but I have to see if I can find my copy since the article is not online. I will try to add information and references in this direction. Will also create some redirects. -- Patrick O'Leary 02:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Think the wikilink to CCRP is misdirected, this does seems to be an unrelated research organisation? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
195.212.29.171 (
talk)
17:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
"This tactic was first made public on 7 May 1957 at Eglin AFB, when a B–47 entered its bombing run at low altitude, pulled up sharply (3.5 g) into a half loop, releasing its bomb under computer control at a predetermined point in its climb"? What? An IBM 704 is the type of computer they had in 1957. The logistics of running it on a plane, not to mention a plane doing a loop, boggles the mind.-- Prosfilaes ( talk) 04:21, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
An IBM 704 may have been one type of early general-purpose programmable digital computer available in 1957, but by no means were the only computers available, particularly taking into consideration special-purpose mechanical analog computers. In addition to such bulky fire control equipment as the Ford Mark I found aboard naval vessels for control of large guns, smaller guns had gyroscopic precession mechanical computers to assist with aiming (e.g., for 40mm antiaircraft mounts), and bombers during World War II, including the B-17, B-24, etc., relied upon mechanical analog computers to reliably hit targets with their bomb load (e.g., the Norden bombsight). The B-47 included more advanced bombsight technologies, and the bomb release could be coupled to the bombsights to automatically drop a bomb load. See, for example, http://www.glennsmuseum.com/bombsights/bombsights.html and http://web.mit.edu/STS.035/www/PDFs/Newell.pdf. Arclem ( talk) 20:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I was present at a demonstration at Fort Bragg, NC where the aircraft using a low level approach took first a vertical flight path, released the bomb (conventional of course) and returned by the same flight path (not obligatory). This allowed for aircraft protection (as before), precision delivery, and allowance for detonation at a higher altitude (for nuke effectivity against surface targets), and get-away time for the aircraft. I feel this would be a worthy addition here. FYI, TOT was also demonstrated in the same exercise. Idealist707 ( talk) 09:50, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I remember this kind of manoeuvre being described in Chuck Yeager's biography by Leo Janos. Apparently they experimented with this technique in F86 aircraft with a nuclear delivery role, as a means of ensuring the aircraft would get a safe distance away before detonation. Yeager's unit itself doesn't seem to have a wikipedia page, but there are references to it on these pages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toul-Rosieres_Air_Base#50th_Fighter-Bomber.2FTactical_Fighter_Wing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hahn_Air_Base#50th_Fighter-Bomber_Wing
Here's the information on the book itself, I don't have page numbers, don't have the book atm. Yeager, Chuck and Leo Janos. Yeager: An Autobiography. New York: Bantam, 1985. ISBN 978-0-553-25674-1
OneCatch ( talk) 12:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
This sounds rather inaccurate, especially the over-the-shoulder delivery. Was this technique ever actually used in combat? Did it score any hits? Or was it only intended for nuclear delivery? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.137.134.50 ( talk) 12:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)