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Question about definition:
The Wikipedia article apparently defines "Tory" simply as "Conservative".
In the July 1953 Atlantic Monthly article "Can the Liberals Rally?",
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/53jul/clark.htm
Author Joseph S. Clark, Jr. writes, "A liberal is not an intelligent Tory, one who gives little to save much. Neither Winston Churchill nor Senator Taft is a liberal."
To say "a liberal is not a conservative" is hardly enlightening (both in 1953 and now, I think). What nuance is Clark talking about here that I'm not catching?
I wanted to describe how following the collapse of Brian Mulroney's coalition many Blue Tory's (especially in the West) moved to the Reform Party, and many Red Tory's have since aligned with the Liberal Party - but I'm not sure if those who moved to the BQ would be Blue or Red? They were (extreme) decentralists, which makes me think Blue, but many are very socially liberal, which makes me think Red. -- stewacide 23:20, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)
"Tory's" This is confusing. Are you trying to make a plural with an apostrophe? Tories? Pollinator 23:24, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The term "tory" in 17th century Irish history meant either as guerrilla fighter or a bandit, often both at the same time. The original tories fought the Cromwellians on behalf of Charles I and later King William of Orange on behalf of James I. My understanding is that Royalists and Jacobites in England were offensively tories by their opponents, to associate them with what we would now call terrorists. User:jdorney 13:00 13 February 2005 (UTC)
I have also heard that the word, Tory, derives from Tory Island, off the coast of County Donegal, where raparees are alleged to have hidden; however, the etymology given here, and in particular the root tóir, seems much more credible. Go raibh maith agat.-- PeadarMaguidhir 10:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
sorry, that should say, "offensively called tories etc" User:Jdorney 13:02, 13 February 2005 (UTC)
Is there any possibility it could have just stemmed from Conservatory?
That was my first impression, and that as time passed by, it became a noun of it's own. Any way to confirm it? kura 13:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think "Tory" can apply to groups such as the Cavaliers, Carlists, Vendeans, Cristeros, Chuoans, Miguelists who were counter-revolutionaries, while Tory implies a conservative revolutionary ideology while their opponents were from a more liberal revolutionary ideology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.178.0 ( talk) 15:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Who wrote this steaming pile of crap?
With the replacement of a German house on the throne, the stridently Protestant Yankee partisans became Tories.
The re-placement?? To focus only on the American side: John Adams of Massachusetts, 2nd President of the US, was a Yankee Congregationalist. He was very much of that Independent line of which another flower was that British brewer, Oliver Cromwell. Oliver himself, before his Parliamentary career, considered emigration to America. The King on the throne at the time was James Stuart.
The Independents suffered under all kings, but especially Stuarts: the whiff of Catholicism about that House always drove the Independents a bit insane.
This sentiment extended to the War of 1812 fever (see Hartford Convention), with Yankee President John Adams supporting the UK and Southron President Thomas Jefferson supporting the French Empire, a Reactionary (Catholic) government in comparison to the establishment of a Lutheran family in Britain.
Somercet 01:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
During the Glorious Revolution of the 17th century, they were called "the faction to be known someday as Tories," I suppose? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.88.113.150 ( talk) 18:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
No - Titus Oates first used the term in 1679 to describe alleged threats to his life from "Tories" meaning "Irish terrorists."-- Streona ( talk) 21:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
The article states that the term "Tory" is used to refer to Conservatives in some English-speaking countries. Are there any countries, other than the UK and Canada, where parties have been called Tory? Otherwise the article should specify these two countries. -- The Four Deuces ( talk) 09:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Toryism stems from history and particular national circumstances but more to the point is a set of ideas, attitudes, world views, and style, than the history or current circumstances or fueds. The article totally missed that.
four tildes ( WKRob ( talk) 08:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)).
it was a party —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.87.11 ( talk) 00:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Under 'UK' 'Tory is the most common colloquial derogatory term for members and supporters of the Conservative Party.' Out of interest what is the most common derogatory term for members and supporters of the Labour Party? Twobells ( talk) 19:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I didn't think the term Tory was that derogatory; I think that most neutral news media and even right wing media use the term. I doubt a member of the Conservative Party would feel offended by being called a Tory, therefore I think the definition is very misleading.
...it is most prominent in
Great Britain..
Does this genuinely mean the Island or does in actually mean the Kingdom ie the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland? Clarify, anyone.
Jubilee♫
clipman
03:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
"Southron?" You've got a Confederate diehard (ha ha!) around here, somewhere; they're the only ones who use that term. Thomas Jefferson was hardly pro-Catholic, -Bourbon, -Hanover or -Stuart. He was a self-proclaimed son of the Enlightenment and hated kings, popes and Jesuits. Before 1787 in France, Jefferson supported France as a balance to Great Britain. By 1812, he was fervently pro-Revolutionary and thought Napoleon a necessary evil to the establishment of the new regime of Man. I am changing this.
I deleted the following text:
It's unclearly phrased, unattributed, and refers to a non-existent date without a year. I'm not certain how relevant it is even if all the problems can be fixed. RandyKaelber ( talk) 01:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Is this section intended to be expanded with explanations for each subtitle? Or are these here just to show what they were? If the latter, should they not simply be bullet points and near the top rather than subtitles?
om,jhbkjhjkhnjhjbjhghjhj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.117.247 ( talk) 01:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the following phrase from the section on modern usage in the UK:
In my experience in England the term is neutral and is quite often used by Tories to describe themselves. If we're going to say it's quite often used as a term of abuse we probably need a good source. -- TS 00:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
"There is no reasonable authority for the belief that the term derives from Tory Island in the north west of Ireland and was intended to imply "an Irish peasant"."
This is very silly, Oilean Thorai was named for the same perjorative but ultimately 'badge of honour' reason as the Tory Party, ie a hideaway for brigands. The Irish Peasant remark is offensive, so I am going to remove it. Brendandh ( talk) 20:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
I have a few sources that say during the American Civil War (1861-1865), rebels in Alabama referred to Unionists as "Tories." Just thought I should mention it. Maybe whoever has been working on this article can do some resarch a make a section regarding Tories in the Civil War (I noticed the same has already been done for the American Revolution and the Texas Revolution). thanks-- $1LENCE D00600D ( talk) 05:39, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
The Texas Section seems to be added as an after thought. If anything it should be included under the united states section. — Preceding
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Tory →
Toryism – keeping the {{
other uses}} template at the top of the page. The article is plainly about the political philosophy of Toryism and is the counterpoint to our page on
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BDD (
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The article is clearly more about people than about "philosophy" and thus is now reworded to make this clear. Also there are a few claims which might be obvious to someone, but which are absolutely not obvious to me - claims that "most" fall into any religious category requires a real source, for example. (Frinstance the claim that most are Anglican - I would note a large number of Presbyterian "tories" in the UK and in Canada, etc. just as a start, and a large number of Presbyterian "loyalists" from the US. Presbyterians !- High Church Anglicans. Collect ( talk) 13:50, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The lede contrasts Conservatism with "radical liberalism". The Liberalism page has no mention of this and it strongly appears to be pushing POV. Why, as neutral encyclopedians, should the word 'radical' remain? Skyemoor ( talk) 18:57, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed this part here "In Australia, "Tory" is used as a pejorative term by members of the Australian Labor Party to refer to members of the conservative coalition Liberal and National parties"
I could not access the source of this on Google Books however I noticed that the author has noted that it is a "philosophical examination of some of the basic concepts of political discourse" ( http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/enhancements/fy0648/93038021-d.html)
This term does not appear to be in use, I could only find a previous ALP Deputy PM using it once in 2012 stating "I like fighting Tories"
Would not call this an average term or a 'pejorative term- even by the Australian Labor Party.. When I read the article I immediately thought that the Deputy PM likes fighting the British Conservative Party.
The 'pejorative term' for the right-wing is racist/nationalist as the pejorative term for the left-wing is simply communist.
The author A.W. Sparkes made the claim in the 1994 for his philosophical book and a member of the ALP has used it once. Other than that, this term is not used by the left-wing often (or at all?). The ALP does not seem to use the word Tory when referring to the Coalition (if we do a Google search). If they did use it the average Australian would think they are referring to the British Conservative Party. This appears to be a once only event.
I think we should have a discussion on this and work it out, let me know what you think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.5.64 ( talk) 10:24, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
This article reads like it has been tampered with. There are tense changes even in the first few paragraphs "supported/support" etc. It needs re-edited. Also, someone has ludicrously inserted individuals such as C S Lewis, J R R Tolkien and Peter Hitchens as adherents of Toryism, a political movement in the United Kingdom that had ceased to exist long before any of these men were born. This needs to be rectified.
This problem has arisen because the article has been badly edited so as to change the focus of the article from the old political movement of Toryism to simply the term "Tory". The confusion is exacerbated by the fact that in modern Britain the term "Tory" is a nickname for a person that supports the United Kingdom's Conservative Party. But modern British conservatism is NOT Toryism. This article used to draw the distinction nicely and pointed out the differences between the two.
Perhaps it would be best merely to make alterations by splitting this into separate pages? I note that there is concern that the subject matter ought to focus on more than the political movement as it existed in Britain, but also US, Canada etc. I think the article is wrong to focus on the word "Tory" rather than "Toryism". If someone searches "Tory" why not redirect them to "Toryism" and then within the context of that article explain the meaning of Tory (a person who supports Toryism) and draw out the difference between the old Tories and the use of that term nowadays (at least in Britain) to mean "Conservative". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunlar ( talk • contribs) 02:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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The introduction has the language:
The section uses peacock language throughout; in particular "supremacy" and "social order" are poorly defined and yet are supposedly referencing important concepts. The writing is essentially using jargon, condensing traditionalism and conservatism to a link, and not explaining what "supremacy" and "social order" refer to specifically, and failing to directly reference "aristocracy" (European, although monarchy] is referenced) "loyalism" (to leader, although there is some meaningful divide between leader loyalists and nation loyalists), and "nationalism" (British ethnic).
The first part has the problem of compound statements, in trying to reference the personal object and the philosophical idea in the same sentence. Renaming this article to Toryism would be a way to solve this, and then the first sentence would become of the form (which is more normal):
- Inowen ( talk) 06:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
This article could mention that in Great Britain, the term "Tory" is generally used as a pejorative term for a member of the Conservative Party. Vorbee ( talk) 08:07, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Both the U.S. and the UK are now in Fascism's legal phase but I see nothing of that in this article, even though it is the Tory Party that instigates this.
Sources: - https://www.thenational.scot/politics/23268459.steph-paton-fascism-already-dug-fabric-uk/ - https://www.thenational.scot/politics/20160043.real-scottish-politics-tories-uk-creeping-towards-fascism/ - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/22/tories-conspiracy-theories-cultural-marxism-party 94.110.113.219 ( talk) 10:59, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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– I've just used DisamAssist to disambiguate about 180 wikilinks to Tory/ Tories: almost every link here had to be changed, which strongly suggests that there's no primary topic by usage, and there are thousands more links to go. Lots of topics by this name have long-term significance, such as Tories (British political party), Loyalist (American Revolution), Conservative Party (UK), and Conservative Party of Canada (alongside Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) and Progressive Conservative Party of Canada): the political philosophy doesn't top them all. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 02:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 11:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 08:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
it is a clear reference to the British Tories: which British Tories? I kid, but usage currently on Wikipedia is, as it turns out, quite split between several meanings. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 15:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
majority are referring to either the historic British Tories or current UK Conservative party: this seems borne out by my contribs yesterday, so even without adding in the Revolution loyalist and Canada meanings, that's no primary topic right there. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 15:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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Question about definition:
The Wikipedia article apparently defines "Tory" simply as "Conservative".
In the July 1953 Atlantic Monthly article "Can the Liberals Rally?",
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/53jul/clark.htm
Author Joseph S. Clark, Jr. writes, "A liberal is not an intelligent Tory, one who gives little to save much. Neither Winston Churchill nor Senator Taft is a liberal."
To say "a liberal is not a conservative" is hardly enlightening (both in 1953 and now, I think). What nuance is Clark talking about here that I'm not catching?
I wanted to describe how following the collapse of Brian Mulroney's coalition many Blue Tory's (especially in the West) moved to the Reform Party, and many Red Tory's have since aligned with the Liberal Party - but I'm not sure if those who moved to the BQ would be Blue or Red? They were (extreme) decentralists, which makes me think Blue, but many are very socially liberal, which makes me think Red. -- stewacide 23:20, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)
"Tory's" This is confusing. Are you trying to make a plural with an apostrophe? Tories? Pollinator 23:24, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)
The term "tory" in 17th century Irish history meant either as guerrilla fighter or a bandit, often both at the same time. The original tories fought the Cromwellians on behalf of Charles I and later King William of Orange on behalf of James I. My understanding is that Royalists and Jacobites in England were offensively tories by their opponents, to associate them with what we would now call terrorists. User:jdorney 13:00 13 February 2005 (UTC)
I have also heard that the word, Tory, derives from Tory Island, off the coast of County Donegal, where raparees are alleged to have hidden; however, the etymology given here, and in particular the root tóir, seems much more credible. Go raibh maith agat.-- PeadarMaguidhir 10:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
sorry, that should say, "offensively called tories etc" User:Jdorney 13:02, 13 February 2005 (UTC)
Is there any possibility it could have just stemmed from Conservatory?
That was my first impression, and that as time passed by, it became a noun of it's own. Any way to confirm it? kura 13:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't think "Tory" can apply to groups such as the Cavaliers, Carlists, Vendeans, Cristeros, Chuoans, Miguelists who were counter-revolutionaries, while Tory implies a conservative revolutionary ideology while their opponents were from a more liberal revolutionary ideology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.178.0 ( talk) 15:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Who wrote this steaming pile of crap?
With the replacement of a German house on the throne, the stridently Protestant Yankee partisans became Tories.
The re-placement?? To focus only on the American side: John Adams of Massachusetts, 2nd President of the US, was a Yankee Congregationalist. He was very much of that Independent line of which another flower was that British brewer, Oliver Cromwell. Oliver himself, before his Parliamentary career, considered emigration to America. The King on the throne at the time was James Stuart.
The Independents suffered under all kings, but especially Stuarts: the whiff of Catholicism about that House always drove the Independents a bit insane.
This sentiment extended to the War of 1812 fever (see Hartford Convention), with Yankee President John Adams supporting the UK and Southron President Thomas Jefferson supporting the French Empire, a Reactionary (Catholic) government in comparison to the establishment of a Lutheran family in Britain.
Somercet 01:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
During the Glorious Revolution of the 17th century, they were called "the faction to be known someday as Tories," I suppose? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.88.113.150 ( talk) 18:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
No - Titus Oates first used the term in 1679 to describe alleged threats to his life from "Tories" meaning "Irish terrorists."-- Streona ( talk) 21:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
The article states that the term "Tory" is used to refer to Conservatives in some English-speaking countries. Are there any countries, other than the UK and Canada, where parties have been called Tory? Otherwise the article should specify these two countries. -- The Four Deuces ( talk) 09:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Toryism stems from history and particular national circumstances but more to the point is a set of ideas, attitudes, world views, and style, than the history or current circumstances or fueds. The article totally missed that.
four tildes ( WKRob ( talk) 08:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)).
it was a party —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.29.87.11 ( talk) 00:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Under 'UK' 'Tory is the most common colloquial derogatory term for members and supporters of the Conservative Party.' Out of interest what is the most common derogatory term for members and supporters of the Labour Party? Twobells ( talk) 19:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I didn't think the term Tory was that derogatory; I think that most neutral news media and even right wing media use the term. I doubt a member of the Conservative Party would feel offended by being called a Tory, therefore I think the definition is very misleading.
...it is most prominent in
Great Britain..
Does this genuinely mean the Island or does in actually mean the Kingdom ie the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland? Clarify, anyone.
Jubilee♫
clipman
03:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
"Southron?" You've got a Confederate diehard (ha ha!) around here, somewhere; they're the only ones who use that term. Thomas Jefferson was hardly pro-Catholic, -Bourbon, -Hanover or -Stuart. He was a self-proclaimed son of the Enlightenment and hated kings, popes and Jesuits. Before 1787 in France, Jefferson supported France as a balance to Great Britain. By 1812, he was fervently pro-Revolutionary and thought Napoleon a necessary evil to the establishment of the new regime of Man. I am changing this.
I deleted the following text:
It's unclearly phrased, unattributed, and refers to a non-existent date without a year. I'm not certain how relevant it is even if all the problems can be fixed. RandyKaelber ( talk) 01:33, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Is this section intended to be expanded with explanations for each subtitle? Or are these here just to show what they were? If the latter, should they not simply be bullet points and near the top rather than subtitles?
om,jhbkjhjkhnjhjbjhghjhj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.117.247 ( talk) 01:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the following phrase from the section on modern usage in the UK:
In my experience in England the term is neutral and is quite often used by Tories to describe themselves. If we're going to say it's quite often used as a term of abuse we probably need a good source. -- TS 00:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
"There is no reasonable authority for the belief that the term derives from Tory Island in the north west of Ireland and was intended to imply "an Irish peasant"."
This is very silly, Oilean Thorai was named for the same perjorative but ultimately 'badge of honour' reason as the Tory Party, ie a hideaway for brigands. The Irish Peasant remark is offensive, so I am going to remove it. Brendandh ( talk) 20:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
I have a few sources that say during the American Civil War (1861-1865), rebels in Alabama referred to Unionists as "Tories." Just thought I should mention it. Maybe whoever has been working on this article can do some resarch a make a section regarding Tories in the Civil War (I noticed the same has already been done for the American Revolution and the Texas Revolution). thanks-- $1LENCE D00600D ( talk) 05:39, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
The Texas Section seems to be added as an after thought. If anything it should be included under the united states section. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
64.47.107.42 (
talk)
22:54, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: 'No consensus. Sandstein 20:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Tory →
Toryism – keeping the {{
other uses}} template at the top of the page. The article is plainly about the political philosophy of Toryism and is the counterpoint to our page on
Whiggism, while the history of the Tories is at
Tory (British political party). The infobox is already headed "Toryism". Relisted.
BDD (
talk) 20:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Moonraker (
talk)
07:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
The article is clearly more about people than about "philosophy" and thus is now reworded to make this clear. Also there are a few claims which might be obvious to someone, but which are absolutely not obvious to me - claims that "most" fall into any religious category requires a real source, for example. (Frinstance the claim that most are Anglican - I would note a large number of Presbyterian "tories" in the UK and in Canada, etc. just as a start, and a large number of Presbyterian "loyalists" from the US. Presbyterians !- High Church Anglicans. Collect ( talk) 13:50, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
The lede contrasts Conservatism with "radical liberalism". The Liberalism page has no mention of this and it strongly appears to be pushing POV. Why, as neutral encyclopedians, should the word 'radical' remain? Skyemoor ( talk) 18:57, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
I have noticed this part here "In Australia, "Tory" is used as a pejorative term by members of the Australian Labor Party to refer to members of the conservative coalition Liberal and National parties"
I could not access the source of this on Google Books however I noticed that the author has noted that it is a "philosophical examination of some of the basic concepts of political discourse" ( http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/enhancements/fy0648/93038021-d.html)
This term does not appear to be in use, I could only find a previous ALP Deputy PM using it once in 2012 stating "I like fighting Tories"
Would not call this an average term or a 'pejorative term- even by the Australian Labor Party.. When I read the article I immediately thought that the Deputy PM likes fighting the British Conservative Party.
The 'pejorative term' for the right-wing is racist/nationalist as the pejorative term for the left-wing is simply communist.
The author A.W. Sparkes made the claim in the 1994 for his philosophical book and a member of the ALP has used it once. Other than that, this term is not used by the left-wing often (or at all?). The ALP does not seem to use the word Tory when referring to the Coalition (if we do a Google search). If they did use it the average Australian would think they are referring to the British Conservative Party. This appears to be a once only event.
I think we should have a discussion on this and work it out, let me know what you think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.5.64 ( talk) 10:24, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
This article reads like it has been tampered with. There are tense changes even in the first few paragraphs "supported/support" etc. It needs re-edited. Also, someone has ludicrously inserted individuals such as C S Lewis, J R R Tolkien and Peter Hitchens as adherents of Toryism, a political movement in the United Kingdom that had ceased to exist long before any of these men were born. This needs to be rectified.
This problem has arisen because the article has been badly edited so as to change the focus of the article from the old political movement of Toryism to simply the term "Tory". The confusion is exacerbated by the fact that in modern Britain the term "Tory" is a nickname for a person that supports the United Kingdom's Conservative Party. But modern British conservatism is NOT Toryism. This article used to draw the distinction nicely and pointed out the differences between the two.
Perhaps it would be best merely to make alterations by splitting this into separate pages? I note that there is concern that the subject matter ought to focus on more than the political movement as it existed in Britain, but also US, Canada etc. I think the article is wrong to focus on the word "Tory" rather than "Toryism". If someone searches "Tory" why not redirect them to "Toryism" and then within the context of that article explain the meaning of Tory (a person who supports Toryism) and draw out the difference between the old Tories and the use of that term nowadays (at least in Britain) to mean "Conservative". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bunlar ( talk • contribs) 02:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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The introduction has the language:
The section uses peacock language throughout; in particular "supremacy" and "social order" are poorly defined and yet are supposedly referencing important concepts. The writing is essentially using jargon, condensing traditionalism and conservatism to a link, and not explaining what "supremacy" and "social order" refer to specifically, and failing to directly reference "aristocracy" (European, although monarchy] is referenced) "loyalism" (to leader, although there is some meaningful divide between leader loyalists and nation loyalists), and "nationalism" (British ethnic).
The first part has the problem of compound statements, in trying to reference the personal object and the philosophical idea in the same sentence. Renaming this article to Toryism would be a way to solve this, and then the first sentence would become of the form (which is more normal):
- Inowen ( talk) 06:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
This article could mention that in Great Britain, the term "Tory" is generally used as a pejorative term for a member of the Conservative Party. Vorbee ( talk) 08:07, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Both the U.S. and the UK are now in Fascism's legal phase but I see nothing of that in this article, even though it is the Tory Party that instigates this.
Sources: - https://www.thenational.scot/politics/23268459.steph-paton-fascism-already-dug-fabric-uk/ - https://www.thenational.scot/politics/20160043.real-scottish-politics-tories-uk-creeping-towards-fascism/ - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/22/tories-conspiracy-theories-cultural-marxism-party 94.110.113.219 ( talk) 10:59, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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– I've just used DisamAssist to disambiguate about 180 wikilinks to Tory/ Tories: almost every link here had to be changed, which strongly suggests that there's no primary topic by usage, and there are thousands more links to go. Lots of topics by this name have long-term significance, such as Tories (British political party), Loyalist (American Revolution), Conservative Party (UK), and Conservative Party of Canada (alongside Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) and Progressive Conservative Party of Canada): the political philosophy doesn't top them all. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 02:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 11:39, 10 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 08:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
it is a clear reference to the British Tories: which British Tories? I kid, but usage currently on Wikipedia is, as it turns out, quite split between several meanings. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 15:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
majority are referring to either the historic British Tories or current UK Conservative party: this seems borne out by my contribs yesterday, so even without adding in the Revolution loyalist and Canada meanings, that's no primary topic right there. Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 15:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)