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22:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC) This is new page about a well known dental product named "tongue cleaner".
In the past years it has become increasingly popular, as an essential oral hygiene instrument, near the toothbrush, toothpaste and dental floss.
There are several different models available, each of them shaped differently.
This page intends to discuss and document the importance of tongue cleaning, and how the shape of a tongue cleaner influences its efficiency during use.
Tongue cleaning is meant to clean millions of bacteria (up to 500 different types), decaying food debris, fungi (such as Candida), and dead cells, off the surface of the tongue, mainly from its rear area.
There are claims that tongue cleaning is a recommended solution against bad breath, also called halitosis (for which there is already a page here)
There are many scientific researches of which results talk about the importance of tongue cleaning:
It is estimated that approximately 70% of the bacteria in the oral cavity thrives on the surface of the human tongue.
Also that in a majority of approximately 85-95% the bad breath is originated in the mouth, due to the coating of the tongue.
This should probably be merged with Tongue scraper. They are the same instrument. -- Versa geek 23:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Edikraft ( talk) 00:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC) Dear friends, I appreciate your suggestion. I am quite new here and a dental hygiene freak. So how do you recommend to do that merging? I have the impression that the most used name for this dental instrument is actually "Tongue Cleaner". Would like to add more relevant information on that page. Also feel that the image is also very relevant to the field and a good contribution to this page. There may be more images of how the product actually works that would be useful for understanding the concept of tongue cleaning.
I would actually opt for a merged page called Tongue cleaner. Following my arguments... I agree that we associate the two names, Tongue cleaner and Tongue scraper, to the same instrument and possibly the same operation. In my experience, most references in the leading dental organisations, such as ADA and BDA, are to an instrument called a "tongue cleaner", and in their articles they refer to "cleaning the tongue" rather than "scraping the tongue". The semantics of the two words are quite different. I think that people associate "tongue cleaning" with the healthy and benefic effect of having a clean tongue, with no bacteria, food debris, fungi, dead cells, and eventually a clean mouth, cleaned of plaque and infectious germs. On the other hand, one would associate scraping with a possibly painful operation, taking in account the available different scraping tools are mainly sharp objects and in use against hard surfaces, but none of them against human organs (tissue), see page Scrape (e.g. bottle scraper, kitchen scraper, ice scraper, archaeological scraper, wheel tractor scraper). If I would be a new patient with no background at the dentist, and he would suggest to either "clean" my tongue OR "scrape" my tongue, I would definitely choose the first option, since I could easily associate the second operation with a tongue removal, or at least a painful thing and for an unclear purpose. Last but not the least, if we do a search on google for both terms, there are over 11 times more results for the "Tongue cleaner" rather than for a "Tongue scraper", a fact that speaks for itself when talking about what people say when they refer to a such device. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tongue+cleaner%22&btnG=Search Results 1 - 10 of about 530,000 for "tongue cleaner". (0.20 seconds) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tongue+scraper%22 Results 1 - 10 of about 46,600 for "tongue scraper". (0.19 seconds) Thank you Edikraft ( talk) 16:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Sigmund, should I consider begining to merge the two pages in the one Tongue Cleaner version that would contain all relevant info? thanks Edikraft ( talk) 22:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Will read through the merge instructions. Not sure regarding the week to wait... Meaning I should do the merging in a week from now? Thanks, Edikraft ( talk) 23:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Siegmund, I have performed the merging and structured the Tongue Cleaner article. More arguments and links to scientific articles to be added. Still have to replace the ergonomic tongue cleaner image with a photos of mine. Soon it will be ready. Best Edikraft ( talk) 23:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Siegmund thanks. I understand what you say. Will go through the necesarry edits the following days. Did not forget about the image. Many thanks, Edikraft ( talk) 07:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it is inappropriate to have the OraBrush tongue cleaner website as an external link. Based on the advertisements that I have seen on Youtube, it seems to me that they are behind some of the information on this page, and this makes that information biased. Shuey123 ( talk) 14:40, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that Orabrush is somewhat noteworthy, given that they are really the only tongue cleaning product that people know about on a wide scale due to their viral videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.212.208 ( talk) 03:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I think the article could use some references in the 'Importance of tongue cleaning' section, specifically the first three subsections - especially such claims as this, seem pretty obvious to have a reference for "Scientific studies have shown that in approximately 80-90% of cases, bad breath originates in the oral cavity, mainly from material on the rear of the tongue. Research shows that only about 10-20% of cases originate in the stomach or the tonsils." I didn't place a tag on it yet, but I'd appreciate input from others. Thanks! Stefan Jensen ( talk) 18:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Dear Stefan, I will do my best to bring relevant references, some scientific research as you recommend, in the coming days. Thank you, Edikraft ( talk) 21:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC) I saw the requests for "citations needed". will do my best to bring the relevant arguments soon. Thanks. Edikraft ( talk) 21:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Done that and some additional relevant tweaking Edikraft ( talk) 00:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Dear Stefan, Happy New Year! I would like to propose to remove the complaint showing on top of the article stating that is written as an advertisment. I have modified all claims that seemed to be inapropriate and have so far kept only statements supported by published officical studies. If there is any issue that still needs attention, please help recommend specifically what to fix. Best regards, Edikraft ( talk) 10:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Johnuniq, I have followed your outlines and addressed all your recommendations; if there are additional comments, please let me know so I can fix them. I hope the page looks better now, and worthy of removing the "advertisment" tag. Some time ago there was a sugestion to have this page, when completed in a comprehensive way and according to the Wiki standards, as a feature on the home page of Wikipedia. Is this offer still available? Thank you, best regards, Edikraft ( talk) 23:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Edikraft, I request that you include an image of the TUNG Brush since this article clearly favors the Orabrush and looks like an advertisement. You could also add that the TUNG Brush was the original tongue brush and started this type of tongue cleaner back in 1995. http://tungbrush.com [1] 7thart ( talk) 13:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)7thart
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I would expect that most cases of halitosis have multiple causes, with one or two being predominant. Is it therefore correct to say that "these molecules account for 80 to 95 percent of all cases of halitosis (bad breath)"? Would it not be more accurate to say that "these molecules account for 80 to 95 percent of the bacterial which results in halitosis (bad breath)". Royalcourtier ( talk) 19:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Tongue cleaner, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.
Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that
administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{
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talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.
Edikraft (
talk) 22:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Edikraft (
talk) 22:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Edikraft (
talk)
22:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC) This is new page about a well known dental product named "tongue cleaner".
In the past years it has become increasingly popular, as an essential oral hygiene instrument, near the toothbrush, toothpaste and dental floss.
There are several different models available, each of them shaped differently.
This page intends to discuss and document the importance of tongue cleaning, and how the shape of a tongue cleaner influences its efficiency during use.
Tongue cleaning is meant to clean millions of bacteria (up to 500 different types), decaying food debris, fungi (such as Candida), and dead cells, off the surface of the tongue, mainly from its rear area.
There are claims that tongue cleaning is a recommended solution against bad breath, also called halitosis (for which there is already a page here)
There are many scientific researches of which results talk about the importance of tongue cleaning:
It is estimated that approximately 70% of the bacteria in the oral cavity thrives on the surface of the human tongue.
Also that in a majority of approximately 85-95% the bad breath is originated in the mouth, due to the coating of the tongue.
This should probably be merged with Tongue scraper. They are the same instrument. -- Versa geek 23:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Edikraft ( talk) 00:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC) Dear friends, I appreciate your suggestion. I am quite new here and a dental hygiene freak. So how do you recommend to do that merging? I have the impression that the most used name for this dental instrument is actually "Tongue Cleaner". Would like to add more relevant information on that page. Also feel that the image is also very relevant to the field and a good contribution to this page. There may be more images of how the product actually works that would be useful for understanding the concept of tongue cleaning.
I would actually opt for a merged page called Tongue cleaner. Following my arguments... I agree that we associate the two names, Tongue cleaner and Tongue scraper, to the same instrument and possibly the same operation. In my experience, most references in the leading dental organisations, such as ADA and BDA, are to an instrument called a "tongue cleaner", and in their articles they refer to "cleaning the tongue" rather than "scraping the tongue". The semantics of the two words are quite different. I think that people associate "tongue cleaning" with the healthy and benefic effect of having a clean tongue, with no bacteria, food debris, fungi, dead cells, and eventually a clean mouth, cleaned of plaque and infectious germs. On the other hand, one would associate scraping with a possibly painful operation, taking in account the available different scraping tools are mainly sharp objects and in use against hard surfaces, but none of them against human organs (tissue), see page Scrape (e.g. bottle scraper, kitchen scraper, ice scraper, archaeological scraper, wheel tractor scraper). If I would be a new patient with no background at the dentist, and he would suggest to either "clean" my tongue OR "scrape" my tongue, I would definitely choose the first option, since I could easily associate the second operation with a tongue removal, or at least a painful thing and for an unclear purpose. Last but not the least, if we do a search on google for both terms, there are over 11 times more results for the "Tongue cleaner" rather than for a "Tongue scraper", a fact that speaks for itself when talking about what people say when they refer to a such device. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tongue+cleaner%22&btnG=Search Results 1 - 10 of about 530,000 for "tongue cleaner". (0.20 seconds) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tongue+scraper%22 Results 1 - 10 of about 46,600 for "tongue scraper". (0.19 seconds) Thank you Edikraft ( talk) 16:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Sigmund, should I consider begining to merge the two pages in the one Tongue Cleaner version that would contain all relevant info? thanks Edikraft ( talk) 22:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Will read through the merge instructions. Not sure regarding the week to wait... Meaning I should do the merging in a week from now? Thanks, Edikraft ( talk) 23:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Siegmund, I have performed the merging and structured the Tongue Cleaner article. More arguments and links to scientific articles to be added. Still have to replace the ergonomic tongue cleaner image with a photos of mine. Soon it will be ready. Best Edikraft ( talk) 23:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Siegmund thanks. I understand what you say. Will go through the necesarry edits the following days. Did not forget about the image. Many thanks, Edikraft ( talk) 07:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it is inappropriate to have the OraBrush tongue cleaner website as an external link. Based on the advertisements that I have seen on Youtube, it seems to me that they are behind some of the information on this page, and this makes that information biased. Shuey123 ( talk) 14:40, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that Orabrush is somewhat noteworthy, given that they are really the only tongue cleaning product that people know about on a wide scale due to their viral videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.212.208 ( talk) 03:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I think the article could use some references in the 'Importance of tongue cleaning' section, specifically the first three subsections - especially such claims as this, seem pretty obvious to have a reference for "Scientific studies have shown that in approximately 80-90% of cases, bad breath originates in the oral cavity, mainly from material on the rear of the tongue. Research shows that only about 10-20% of cases originate in the stomach or the tonsils." I didn't place a tag on it yet, but I'd appreciate input from others. Thanks! Stefan Jensen ( talk) 18:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Dear Stefan, I will do my best to bring relevant references, some scientific research as you recommend, in the coming days. Thank you, Edikraft ( talk) 21:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC) I saw the requests for "citations needed". will do my best to bring the relevant arguments soon. Thanks. Edikraft ( talk) 21:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC) Done that and some additional relevant tweaking Edikraft ( talk) 00:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Dear Stefan, Happy New Year! I would like to propose to remove the complaint showing on top of the article stating that is written as an advertisment. I have modified all claims that seemed to be inapropriate and have so far kept only statements supported by published officical studies. If there is any issue that still needs attention, please help recommend specifically what to fix. Best regards, Edikraft ( talk) 10:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Johnuniq, I have followed your outlines and addressed all your recommendations; if there are additional comments, please let me know so I can fix them. I hope the page looks better now, and worthy of removing the "advertisment" tag. Some time ago there was a sugestion to have this page, when completed in a comprehensive way and according to the Wiki standards, as a feature on the home page of Wikipedia. Is this offer still available? Thank you, best regards, Edikraft ( talk) 23:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Edikraft, I request that you include an image of the TUNG Brush since this article clearly favors the Orabrush and looks like an advertisement. You could also add that the TUNG Brush was the original tongue brush and started this type of tongue cleaner back in 1995. http://tungbrush.com [1] 7thart ( talk) 13:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)7thart
References
I would expect that most cases of halitosis have multiple causes, with one or two being predominant. Is it therefore correct to say that "these molecules account for 80 to 95 percent of all cases of halitosis (bad breath)"? Would it not be more accurate to say that "these molecules account for 80 to 95 percent of the bacterial which results in halitosis (bad breath)". Royalcourtier ( talk) 19:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)