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Jheijmans please see my point of view on geographical terms (specialy of cities, towns, ...) at Peterlin's user's talk. Is there any other Tomsk all over the world? -- XJam [2002.07.24] 3 Wednesday (0).
XJam, I've seen your point of view, and I actually agree with it. However, it has become part of the Wikipedia:naming conventions to name cities in this way. Although I do not (fully) agree with the convention, I do support naming conventions in general, and therefore make the necessary changes to the pages. The topic has been discussed on Wikipedia:Wikipedia-L, so there you can also post your concerns.
You, and others, are in no way forced to follow any of the naming conventions of Wikipedia, although I ask you to consider doing so. Knowing the conventions will make it easier for you to link to other articles, and using them therefore also makes it easier for others to do so. In that way, we all have more time to actually write articles and build up Wikipedia. I hope you will consider this.
BTW, you can make signing your talks easier by using three or four tildes (~). The first will put your user-name (linked), the second will also include servertime. Jheijmans 02:39 Jul 24, 2002 (PDT)
What does this sentence mean? "Boris Godunov ordered Cossack leader Gavril Pisemsky? and boyar son Tyrkov to found a fort on the River Tom" Who was the boyar and who was whose son? 65.56.188.18 06:49 Aug 12, 2002 (PDT)
I added a sidebar based on the one used for Moscow. All the info within it is from the Russian version of this page, which is featured, and thus hopefully accurate. However, tables seem quite tough to me, and I don't know how to format it to be more like the Russian version, as I want to add the official website to it at the bottom. - Estrellador* 20:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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Tomsk city administration ( talk) 06:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)Please correct Tomsk city administration ( talk) 06:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Please, remove the names of the following air companies, as they've seized their operations in Tomsk: Transaero and Tomskavia.
Please, remove the names othe following mass media, as they've seized their operations in Tomsk: the TV2 television station and Tomskii Vestnik.
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Tomsk does not, and never had, significant Khakas population, therefore adding the Khakas name in the lede is IMO inappropriate. We do sometimes add to the lede names of the localities in languages different from the official languages, for example, if there were strong historical ties with the language, but here even the link is missing.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:40, 8 January 2019 (UTC) -
I understand what you want to say, but the fact is that may be you do not understand this. The fact is that this is the name of this city Shor and Khakas lanaguages, in Novokuznetsk there is also a Shor organization called Aba-Tura ( Russian: Аба-Тура). Another fact is that the Khakas and the Shors are one people and therefore they call the city the same. Also in the Shor dictionary we can see an example of the fact that in the Shor language Novokuznetsk is Aba-Tura:
Sebirkhan ( talk) 18:15, 8 January 2019 (UTC) (upd) sorry I confused with another city, now I will prepare the answer for Tom-Tura Sebirkhan ( talk) 18:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Tom-Tura in Shor dictionary: http://nordvind.ucoz.net/library/Linguistics/teach-ys-books/Shor.pdf Том-тура — город Томск (page 13) Sebirkhan ( talk) 18:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
While going through the archives of the Servet-i Funun, an Ottoman Turkish newspaper, I found an image of students of a school for Muslims. https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/742/PFSIF9181003A129%20(1918-10-03).jpg
I wonder if the image is PD and if so if it qualifies for the Commons WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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Jheijmans please see my point of view on geographical terms (specialy of cities, towns, ...) at Peterlin's user's talk. Is there any other Tomsk all over the world? -- XJam [2002.07.24] 3 Wednesday (0).
XJam, I've seen your point of view, and I actually agree with it. However, it has become part of the Wikipedia:naming conventions to name cities in this way. Although I do not (fully) agree with the convention, I do support naming conventions in general, and therefore make the necessary changes to the pages. The topic has been discussed on Wikipedia:Wikipedia-L, so there you can also post your concerns.
You, and others, are in no way forced to follow any of the naming conventions of Wikipedia, although I ask you to consider doing so. Knowing the conventions will make it easier for you to link to other articles, and using them therefore also makes it easier for others to do so. In that way, we all have more time to actually write articles and build up Wikipedia. I hope you will consider this.
BTW, you can make signing your talks easier by using three or four tildes (~). The first will put your user-name (linked), the second will also include servertime. Jheijmans 02:39 Jul 24, 2002 (PDT)
What does this sentence mean? "Boris Godunov ordered Cossack leader Gavril Pisemsky? and boyar son Tyrkov to found a fort on the River Tom" Who was the boyar and who was whose son? 65.56.188.18 06:49 Aug 12, 2002 (PDT)
I added a sidebar based on the one used for Moscow. All the info within it is from the Russian version of this page, which is featured, and thus hopefully accurate. However, tables seem quite tough to me, and I don't know how to format it to be more like the Russian version, as I want to add the official website to it at the bottom. - Estrellador* 20:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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Tomsk city administration ( talk) 06:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)Please correct Tomsk city administration ( talk) 06:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Please, remove the names of the following air companies, as they've seized their operations in Tomsk: Transaero and Tomskavia.
Please, remove the names othe following mass media, as they've seized their operations in Tomsk: the TV2 television station and Tomskii Vestnik.
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Tomsk does not, and never had, significant Khakas population, therefore adding the Khakas name in the lede is IMO inappropriate. We do sometimes add to the lede names of the localities in languages different from the official languages, for example, if there were strong historical ties with the language, but here even the link is missing.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 17:40, 8 January 2019 (UTC) -
I understand what you want to say, but the fact is that may be you do not understand this. The fact is that this is the name of this city Shor and Khakas lanaguages, in Novokuznetsk there is also a Shor organization called Aba-Tura ( Russian: Аба-Тура). Another fact is that the Khakas and the Shors are one people and therefore they call the city the same. Also in the Shor dictionary we can see an example of the fact that in the Shor language Novokuznetsk is Aba-Tura:
Sebirkhan ( talk) 18:15, 8 January 2019 (UTC) (upd) sorry I confused with another city, now I will prepare the answer for Tom-Tura Sebirkhan ( talk) 18:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Tom-Tura in Shor dictionary: http://nordvind.ucoz.net/library/Linguistics/teach-ys-books/Shor.pdf Том-тура — город Томск (page 13) Sebirkhan ( talk) 18:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
While going through the archives of the Servet-i Funun, an Ottoman Turkish newspaper, I found an image of students of a school for Muslims. https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/742/PFSIF9181003A129%20(1918-10-03).jpg
I wonder if the image is PD and if so if it qualifies for the Commons WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)