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could we do something about young adult invasion novel?, that sounds like underage erotica to me. 207.161.179.80 ( talk) 02:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
i'm fairly sure the entire plot summaries section is plagiarised from 'the tomorrow series web companion'. i haven't got a link to the site right now, and i won't tag it for copyvio because it's very possible the owner of this information put it up. did whoever put it up have permission. if not can someone obtain it or else rewrite the summaries. i may or may not draft a rewrite of the summaries: otherwise they should be deleted. Flage 07:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Could I suggest to all editors and people commenting on this article to keep in mind that it is fiction and, as such, the author was quite entitled to make their own decisions about what was or was not possible and what the reactions of others may or many not have been. Please be civil to other users but also refrain from posting edits unrelated to improving the article. Thankyou! -- AlisonW 16:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
It's called artistic license, people. Get over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.11.39 ( talk)
It wasn't so bad before the talk page got vandalised. Flage 08:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I havent read any of these books but could you write a criticsm section both literary if there is any. and if there is any weight to the invasion like why they could be invaded I mean really Australia is an island you would find any ships that would be comming months ahead of time and the only logical invasion would be from Indonsia. Jamhaw 20:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)jamhaw
Look scottie you have no idea do you. The entire plot is circled around the invasion otherwise it would be 200 pages of hard core sex, orgys and nudity with nothing else. The book is about war not them having some picnic in the bush.
I keep asking you this but you never answer. How could this invasion happen?
PS Why is there a critical reaction part on the page but is is full of nothing but good. Isnt that a bias? I suggest putting in a plot holes section or criticisms part(with WP: NPV).
KRANDOR!? F 22 09:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Any ideas? Flage 03:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
That's true, my class had to read the first book for English, and I've already finished the fifth book, I can't tell where one book ends and another begins. lewismith3 ( talk) 16:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't something be said about the novel's similarities with the film, Red Dawn? McDanger 09:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I mentioned it in the 'see also' section i started a few months ago. i wouldn't know what to write though. Flage 09:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Damn right its pretty similar to Red Dawn. I thought the exact same thing when I first saw it. Comradeash ( talk) 16:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Red Dawn (released 1984)
[1] predates TWTWB by 9 years but I've never found any evidence that Marsden knew of that movie when he wrote the book.
Paul Roberton (
talk) 06:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
There are no spoiler warnings and hardly any spoiler free info? Death.by.maggots 00:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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The discussion page should not be used to discuss whether the book is good or bad or if there are parts of the storyline which may not seem 'logical' or if the story is possible or likely. The fact is that the book has become an extremely popular piece of literature and is widley popular, especially in Australia. -- 124.180.159.96 ( talk) 07:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to questionize anyone, but can someone tell me where Lee's surname Takkan was found? I recall that while reading these books, although in Swedish, I noticed Lee's surname was the only name not mentioned. I'm very glad someone has found out, I only want to know where. 83.185.83.166 ( talk) 15:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi all, just thought I'd point this out. There seems to be an error in the section regarding Corrie's character description. It seems someone has edited this section and made it completely false, stating that Corrie gets shot in the leg and Kevin "thrusts his [combat knife] into all their hearts" Heres what has been edited into the article:
Corrie was thinking about the show grounds. Robyn and Corrie waited for the others. At the thought of the showgrounds, Corrie got a sick feeling in her stomach and a hard lump at the back of her throat. The more Corrie thought about her friends’ location, the more Corrie was upset. It could have been fate that we had been in Hell on the exact day of the invasion of the town. At least for a few seconds everything was dead quiet. The invaders only fired one more shot, one bullet was all they needed. The bullet hit Corrie’s leg and she hit the ground. She lyed there reviewing the time she had spent with us’, how’d she wished her family would be safe. Kevin fired another shot towards the invaders. As he sprinted into the enemy lines he drew out his combat knife from his belt. He thrusts his blade into all their hearts. Kevin butchered all of them. The others and I rushed over to aid her. Robyn held her hand to assure Corrie would be fine. We all knew that this wasn’t the case. It became harder and harder for her to breath. Each breath was more painful than the last.
It is obvious that this is NOT coherent with the storyline, as Kevin never had a "Combat Knife" at any point in the story. Could someone please fix this problem, otherwise remove the section entirely. I would do it myself, but i am not too familiar with the editing system in Wikipedia.
Also, i noticed that under the Fiona Maxwell character description it states "...knows virtually nothing about camping or living in the bush, but she always has her period on time." If this could also be fixed, much thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 ( talk) 10:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that the Ellie Chronicles section at the bottom be split off into its own page. The Tomorrow series and the Ellie Chronicles are two separate series, and as such each should its own page. It would only make sense to have the Ellie Chronicle on this page if the page title were something that covered them both - but I don't think any overall title for both exist. -- JoelBarnes ( talk) 15:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Why is the second book in the series missing from this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.3.65.1 ( talk) 02:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Everyone please stop arguing about the logistics of the book... write to John Marsden or something. It's just a book. And anyway you're ruining the entertainment value. Htimsleinahtan ( talk) 12:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I noticed this in the plot of the first book: "Ellie, Kevin, and Corrie are chased by soldiers from the showground after seeing a man get shot for attacking a soldier..." I just read the book last week. Nobody got shot or attacked a soldier. They only witnessed someone asking the soldier permission to go to the toilet. - Htimsleinahtan ( talk) 12:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
An IP keeps changing "Georges T. Doods from the SF Site described the series as "an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation" to "Georges T. Doods from the SF Site praised the series for its well crafted action and depictions of combat stress, describing it as "an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation", sourcing the changes to this review. Quite aside from the citation still being flawed after 3 attempts, the source doesn't support the claims. There is nothing that indicates "well crafted" and the closest you get to "depictions of combat stress" is "These are kids who are well on their way to developing what was once called shell shock", which is altogether different. I've invited the IP to discuss here. [2] -- AussieLegend ( talk) 09:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
"THE Tomorrow Series" is what the series is called in the body text and on the John Marsden page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.153.2.6 ( talk) 05:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
203.122.223.124 ( talk) 06:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Putting an article about the proposed (and delayed) start of work on the second film in the series here for future use.
-- saberwyn 09:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
hi all. just a question to see if people who know aussie farming may know better. in book 4 darkness be my friend on either page 88 or 91 based on your book version is a line with Ellie passing a "crop of rape" ready for harvesting in a month or 2. what is a crop of rape? ive never heard that tearm before. i would assume its ment to be crop of grapes but considerign how often this book has been published over the years and mine is atleast a 2008 copy based on publish details on front i find it hard to believe a typo like this would last so long. can someone clarrify what it means? 152.91.9.153 ( talk) 02:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/491375/rape 144.131.220.184 ( talk) 23:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
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This book series is not about politics, it is about surviving while hiding and while normal infastructure is not available (no supermarkets, no school, no parents), and, eventually, is about rescuing their parents and neighbors and themselves from capture. While this does help lead to the end of the war, and a radical change for both sides, it is just not what this book series is about. Thus, a third of the synopsis should not be focused on it.
The "invading force" is purposefully never named, and is not important to the story, and its speculation serves no purpose in the story. The reason the forces invaded (lack of space and resources in their own land) is mentioned, but is in no way primary to the story. The cited refugee problem is never mentioned nor explored, and is not part of the story in any way.
The story and the characters would be the same, no matter who or why their homeland was invaded. Knowing this background adds nothing to the story.
The South Pacific's eventual resolution is past the end of this story and plays no part in it.
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.138.107 ( talk) 14:33, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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could we do something about young adult invasion novel?, that sounds like underage erotica to me. 207.161.179.80 ( talk) 02:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
i'm fairly sure the entire plot summaries section is plagiarised from 'the tomorrow series web companion'. i haven't got a link to the site right now, and i won't tag it for copyvio because it's very possible the owner of this information put it up. did whoever put it up have permission. if not can someone obtain it or else rewrite the summaries. i may or may not draft a rewrite of the summaries: otherwise they should be deleted. Flage 07:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Could I suggest to all editors and people commenting on this article to keep in mind that it is fiction and, as such, the author was quite entitled to make their own decisions about what was or was not possible and what the reactions of others may or many not have been. Please be civil to other users but also refrain from posting edits unrelated to improving the article. Thankyou! -- AlisonW 16:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
It's called artistic license, people. Get over it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.11.39 ( talk)
It wasn't so bad before the talk page got vandalised. Flage 08:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I havent read any of these books but could you write a criticsm section both literary if there is any. and if there is any weight to the invasion like why they could be invaded I mean really Australia is an island you would find any ships that would be comming months ahead of time and the only logical invasion would be from Indonsia. Jamhaw 20:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)jamhaw
Look scottie you have no idea do you. The entire plot is circled around the invasion otherwise it would be 200 pages of hard core sex, orgys and nudity with nothing else. The book is about war not them having some picnic in the bush.
I keep asking you this but you never answer. How could this invasion happen?
PS Why is there a critical reaction part on the page but is is full of nothing but good. Isnt that a bias? I suggest putting in a plot holes section or criticisms part(with WP: NPV).
KRANDOR!? F 22 09:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Any ideas? Flage 03:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
That's true, my class had to read the first book for English, and I've already finished the fifth book, I can't tell where one book ends and another begins. lewismith3 ( talk) 16:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't something be said about the novel's similarities with the film, Red Dawn? McDanger 09:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I mentioned it in the 'see also' section i started a few months ago. i wouldn't know what to write though. Flage 09:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Damn right its pretty similar to Red Dawn. I thought the exact same thing when I first saw it. Comradeash ( talk) 16:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Red Dawn (released 1984)
[1] predates TWTWB by 9 years but I've never found any evidence that Marsden knew of that movie when he wrote the book.
Paul Roberton (
talk) 06:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
There are no spoiler warnings and hardly any spoiler free info? Death.by.maggots 00:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Image:Tommorowwhenwarbegan.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 10:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
The discussion page should not be used to discuss whether the book is good or bad or if there are parts of the storyline which may not seem 'logical' or if the story is possible or likely. The fact is that the book has become an extremely popular piece of literature and is widley popular, especially in Australia. -- 124.180.159.96 ( talk) 07:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to questionize anyone, but can someone tell me where Lee's surname Takkan was found? I recall that while reading these books, although in Swedish, I noticed Lee's surname was the only name not mentioned. I'm very glad someone has found out, I only want to know where. 83.185.83.166 ( talk) 15:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi all, just thought I'd point this out. There seems to be an error in the section regarding Corrie's character description. It seems someone has edited this section and made it completely false, stating that Corrie gets shot in the leg and Kevin "thrusts his [combat knife] into all their hearts" Heres what has been edited into the article:
Corrie was thinking about the show grounds. Robyn and Corrie waited for the others. At the thought of the showgrounds, Corrie got a sick feeling in her stomach and a hard lump at the back of her throat. The more Corrie thought about her friends’ location, the more Corrie was upset. It could have been fate that we had been in Hell on the exact day of the invasion of the town. At least for a few seconds everything was dead quiet. The invaders only fired one more shot, one bullet was all they needed. The bullet hit Corrie’s leg and she hit the ground. She lyed there reviewing the time she had spent with us’, how’d she wished her family would be safe. Kevin fired another shot towards the invaders. As he sprinted into the enemy lines he drew out his combat knife from his belt. He thrusts his blade into all their hearts. Kevin butchered all of them. The others and I rushed over to aid her. Robyn held her hand to assure Corrie would be fine. We all knew that this wasn’t the case. It became harder and harder for her to breath. Each breath was more painful than the last.
It is obvious that this is NOT coherent with the storyline, as Kevin never had a "Combat Knife" at any point in the story. Could someone please fix this problem, otherwise remove the section entirely. I would do it myself, but i am not too familiar with the editing system in Wikipedia.
Also, i noticed that under the Fiona Maxwell character description it states "...knows virtually nothing about camping or living in the bush, but she always has her period on time." If this could also be fixed, much thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 ( talk) 10:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that the Ellie Chronicles section at the bottom be split off into its own page. The Tomorrow series and the Ellie Chronicles are two separate series, and as such each should its own page. It would only make sense to have the Ellie Chronicle on this page if the page title were something that covered them both - but I don't think any overall title for both exist. -- JoelBarnes ( talk) 15:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Why is the second book in the series missing from this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.3.65.1 ( talk) 02:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Everyone please stop arguing about the logistics of the book... write to John Marsden or something. It's just a book. And anyway you're ruining the entertainment value. Htimsleinahtan ( talk) 12:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I noticed this in the plot of the first book: "Ellie, Kevin, and Corrie are chased by soldiers from the showground after seeing a man get shot for attacking a soldier..." I just read the book last week. Nobody got shot or attacked a soldier. They only witnessed someone asking the soldier permission to go to the toilet. - Htimsleinahtan ( talk) 12:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
An IP keeps changing "Georges T. Doods from the SF Site described the series as "an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation" to "Georges T. Doods from the SF Site praised the series for its well crafted action and depictions of combat stress, describing it as "an elevation of adventure literature to heights that are only achieved once or twice in a generation", sourcing the changes to this review. Quite aside from the citation still being flawed after 3 attempts, the source doesn't support the claims. There is nothing that indicates "well crafted" and the closest you get to "depictions of combat stress" is "These are kids who are well on their way to developing what was once called shell shock", which is altogether different. I've invited the IP to discuss here. [2] -- AussieLegend ( talk) 09:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
"THE Tomorrow Series" is what the series is called in the body text and on the John Marsden page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.153.2.6 ( talk) 05:48, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
203.122.223.124 ( talk) 06:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Putting an article about the proposed (and delayed) start of work on the second film in the series here for future use.
-- saberwyn 09:35, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
hi all. just a question to see if people who know aussie farming may know better. in book 4 darkness be my friend on either page 88 or 91 based on your book version is a line with Ellie passing a "crop of rape" ready for harvesting in a month or 2. what is a crop of rape? ive never heard that tearm before. i would assume its ment to be crop of grapes but considerign how often this book has been published over the years and mine is atleast a 2008 copy based on publish details on front i find it hard to believe a typo like this would last so long. can someone clarrify what it means? 152.91.9.153 ( talk) 02:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/491375/rape 144.131.220.184 ( talk) 23:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
There are spoilers in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Main Editor Of The Internet ( talk • contribs) 22:30, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 18:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
This book series is not about politics, it is about surviving while hiding and while normal infastructure is not available (no supermarkets, no school, no parents), and, eventually, is about rescuing their parents and neighbors and themselves from capture. While this does help lead to the end of the war, and a radical change for both sides, it is just not what this book series is about. Thus, a third of the synopsis should not be focused on it.
The "invading force" is purposefully never named, and is not important to the story, and its speculation serves no purpose in the story. The reason the forces invaded (lack of space and resources in their own land) is mentioned, but is in no way primary to the story. The cited refugee problem is never mentioned nor explored, and is not part of the story in any way.
The story and the characters would be the same, no matter who or why their homeland was invaded. Knowing this background adds nothing to the story.
The South Pacific's eventual resolution is past the end of this story and plays no part in it.
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.138.107 ( talk) 14:33, 15 June 2017 (UTC)